Pathetic PS3 launch news

[Carbon]

Super Mario RPG anyone? :D

[Darkvalentine]

Theres a point where graphics really don't matter that much.

Personally, I look at a game like MGS3, and basically feel like I could be content forever w/ graphics of that quality, as long as the gameplay continues to evolve.

People are such graphics whores. I've said it before and I'll say it again, gameplay over graphics.

A more powerful system does not better gameplay make. It lets you have a ton more things happening at the same time, sharper graphics, etc, but the core gameplay can be done on anything. Its just a matter of how flashy it looks on another system.


If you look at the PSP, Sony (and their legion of third party developers) seem content on doing nothing but ports and rehashes of games. Time will tell I guess for the PS3.

smartest thing said on this thread. and I agree with it too. 8)

[Syn]

Theres a point where graphics really don't matter that much.

Personally, I look at a game like MGS3, and basically feel like I could be content forever w/ graphics of that quality, as long as the gameplay continues to evolve.

People are such graphics whores. I've said it before and I'll say it again, gameplay over graphics.

A more powerful system does not better gameplay make. It lets you have a ton more things happening at the same time, sharper graphics, etc, but the core gameplay can be done on anything. Its just a matter of how flashy it looks on another system.


If you look at the PSP, Sony (and their legion of third party developers) seem content on doing nothing but ports and rehashes of games. Time will tell I guess for the PS3.

smartest thing said on this thread. and I agree with it too. 8)

It's just an obvious fact that many choose to ignore.

[Kaylia]

It's also what I believe. Even if Wii graphics are on par with Xbox, it's more than enough for me to enjoy the visual of any games on it(hell, even game like Resident Evil on GC are good looking enough for me). It will all come down to gameplay and actual content of the games released.

[Nightstriker]

ROMs have never reached the level that Music sharing did. There was no napster explosion for ROMs. Its always been somewhat underground. The difference is iTunes requires almost nothing to convert. ROMs require testing time (ZSNES took many years to be compatible with the majority of games) and online multiplayer isnt easy to add. You need to set up a ton of things. You really don't understand how complicated the simplest of things can be.

As teenagers learn to use computers, roms are becoming very popular. Within a few years, it'll be as popular as music sharing.

If iTunes sold songs for $10, it would have failed. Free to $1 is not a big leap. Anything more is too big of a leap without adding features. At best a few classics will sell and some kids who don't know about roms will ask their parents to buy some. Charging $1 for NES and SNES games without features added beyond online multiplayer is perfectly fine. Oh god, you wouldn't want to hurt the Super Nintendo's sales.

Roms were more popular then music sharing, 5 years when none of the gaming companies had a problem with it. If I remember correctly romming died because people were roming N64 games while the system was still very new. Once Nintendo found out they started to sue and thats when 90% of the rom sites died out. Dunno if it will ever come back because games would require super computers to run.

[SephYuyX]

I love how when people get off of school and work these topics explode.

Opposite for a lot though.

[Septimus]

I think a lot of companies forgot that people play games for fun. I know, shocking concept. For as much as I liked FFVII-FFIX none of them had a story that touched FFVI in quality. I love big cinematics with full CGI rendering, but could you imagine what an amazing story like FFVI would be like with full CGI? The opera scene? The scene where Kefka smokes all of the Espers? The scene where the world blows up?

Seriously, why can't we have our cake (great stories) and eat it too (beautiful graphics)?

[Hyjynx]

I think a lot of companies forgot that people play games for fun. I know, shocking concept. For as much as I liked FFVII-FFIX none of them had a story that touched FFVI in quality. I love big cinematics with full CGI rendering, but could you imagine what an amazing story like FFVI would be like with full CGI? The opera scene? The scene where Kefka smokes all of the Espers? The scene where the world blows up?

Seriously, why can't we have our cake (great stories) and eat it too (beautiful graphics)?

Wow.. a kindred spirit...
I couldn't have put it into better words myself.

In addition to what you said, I think this is the main problem with FFXI as well. The devs tried to create a huge world with "stuff to do" but they forgot people play a game to have fun. Not saying that the stuff we do in FFXI isnt fun... I'd be really really sad playing this game for 3 years if I wasnt having fun... but at the same time I think it's the main reason why we can have only 30-40 mins of free time and be totally bored in the game... since there's not really anything "fun" to just randomly do.

They tried to address the issue with assault but it doesnt really change much.

[Sorry for the derail]

[Boyiee]

they shouldn't have made tetra master seperate and cost money per month. I want minigames.

[Po]

I love how when people get off of school and work these topics explode.

Opposite for a lot though.

lol yea like me, I only really post at work.
Septimus in regards to your comment about cake and eating it too, I think PS2 is the closest we have come to this. Like Xavier said with MGS3, that game is frickin gorgeous, or also I think FFXII will also be both the cake and eating as well.

[Haelian]

I think FFXII will also be both the cake and eating as well.

I don't know if I'll be able to handle FFXII. FFIX was endurable, even with weird ass characters like Quina. FFX was cutting it close, Tidus is just a walking pile of shit stains. But FFX was great with the Monster Arena and the story was alright I spose. Let's not speak of FFX-2.

But seriously,
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../reallygay.jpg
Why?

[Po]

I think FFXII will also be both the cake and eating as well.

I don't know if I'll be able to handle FFXII. FFIX was endurable, even with weird ass characters like Quina. FFX was cutting it close, Tidus is just a walking pile of shit stains. But FFX was great with the Monster Arena and the story was alright I spose. Let's not speak of FFX-2.

That picture withstanding, everything else about the game looks like it is made of win. I personally could not stand FFX. The only enduring character in that game was Auron, and yes you described Tidus very well. As far as X-2 goes, even though it was girly, I thought it was pretty fun, w/ the job system and all. FFIX owned, but I need to stop because I do not want to derail this thread into another FF topic.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Do not fret about FFXII. Vaan is as much a main character in that as Terra was the main character in FFVI.

[Enkidu]

Of course gameplay is more important then graphics, but is that to say graphics don't matter at all?

Personally I'd rather have, like Septimus said, the best of both worlds. And in my opinion PS2 delivered that better then Gamecube in the previous generation of games, who's to say it wont do the same this generation? Of course Nintendo probably has the "best" gameplay with their core lineup of games, yet after that what do they have?

If you buy a system for 3-4 games all in the same action/adventure genre, then Wii will probably make you very happy. If you want games from more genres including sports, RPG, and FPS (and whatever new genres are out there) then PS3 is going to deliver more then Wii in my opinion.

Of course the launch price is crazy, but I'm talking when things settle down and prices drop... What's the point in buying launch systems anyways? All of the really good games come out 2-3 years after the system is released.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

If you buy a system for 3-4 games all in the same action/adventure genre, then Wii will probably make you very happy. If you want games from more genres including sports, RPG, and FPS (and whatever new genres are out there) then PS3 is going to deliver more then Wii in my opinion.

Far Cry, Red Steel, Splinter Cell Double Agent, FF Crystal Chronicles, DQ Swords, Madden, Blitz, etc. Wii is surprisingly getting all of this shit

http://wii.ign.com/articles/709/709258p1.html

See? Its a shitton more than you said. Oh and GCN did deliver better graphics than PS2.

btw lol http://nexgenwars.com/

[Fhqwghads]

As far as graphics goes, I think it's a double-edged sword. On the one hand, in a very short time we're going to be experiencing game environments that will exceed our wildest imaginations. They'll have incredible lighting bordering ultra-realistic shadows, light filtering that has the ability to calculate diffraction and diffusion on a per-leaf basis so standing under a tree looking up at the noon sky will approximate a remarkable likeness to the way it looks in real life, etc. etc.

The major drawback to all of this will be the cost associated with the artwork. Ultra high resolution textures aren't going to be cheap to produce. Creating those convincing landscapes with mammoth amounts of polygons, meshes, and hyper realistic interaction (water splashes when stepped in, rocks can be thrown and create marks as appropriate, branches can be snapped off trees, things can be set on fire, earth can be dug up, etc.) is going to require an incredible amount of resources. Those resources again, aren't going to be cheap. With the rising costs of producing a cutting-edge game, the number of games produced will become smaller and smaller. Game companies will begin putting all their eggs into a very small number of baskets, which translates to less games for people to pick and choose from.

The niche developer will be out of a job too, as the games hobbyists produce will become less and less appealing compared to the big name games, because they simply won't have the resources to be competitive. So basically we'll have glitzy looking games, but whether they'll have any sort of compelling game play or story line remains to be seen. There has to be a point where producing fantastic looking games will become the standard, and game companies will go back to focusing on game play and story line. I think right now too many of them are playing around with all the nifty bells and whistles that new technology is making possible.

[SephYuyX]

Compare RE4 GCN vs RE4 PS2 please.

[Syn]

Compare RE4 GCN vs RE4 PS2 please.

A 360 is being sold every 10 seconds? Right.....

[SephYuyX]

Wii will win as long as this guy is their mascot, right Syn?
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7373/ingleft1.jpg

[Nightstriker]

If you buy a system for 3-4 games all in the same action/adventure genre, then Wii will probably make you very happy. If you want games from more genres including sports, RPG, and FPS (and whatever new genres are out there) then PS3 is going to deliver more then Wii in my opinion.

Far Cry, Red Steel, Splinter Cell Double Agent, FF Crystal Chronicles, DQ Swords, Madden, Blitz, etc. Wii is surprisingly getting all of this shit

http://wii.ign.com/articles/709/709258p1.html

See? Its a shitton more than you said. Oh and GCN did deliver better graphics than PS2.

btw lol http://nexgenwars.com/

How many of those titles do you think will be good? Wii will get some third party titles but that doesn't mean they will get there best titles. Third party developers will give there best and most popular titles to PS3. But I wonder why SE put DQ: swords on Wii instead of PS3. But then again PS3 got FFXIII which SE will have most of there developers on.