Pathetic PS3 launch news

[SilverBreeze]

If you think third party developers are going to switch because PS3 has a $600 lauch price, your on crack. It will drop and PS3 will start to sell like wildfire, and those third party will make alot of profit world wide. Remember games are sold world-wide not just in america.

If you don't think that third party developers will attempt to play with and use Nintendo's innovation with the Wii, then you're on crack. (Notice I spelled it right). There's a plethora of things you could do with the Wii's controller, hell people are still making new ways to use the DS's touch screen. People try and diss the Wii controller, then back up Sony (hi2u fake Wii controller at the last minute lol). When I buy a fucking video game console, I wanna fucking play video games. And that's what Nintendo is doing, and I'm sure I'm not alone in what I want out of my system, fuck Blu-ray.

[Sixtail]

If you think third party developers are going to switch because PS3 has a $600 lauch price, your on crack. It will drop and PS3 will start to sell like wildfire, and those third party will make alot of profit world wide. Remember games are sold world-wide not just in america.

If you think third party devs are going to sit around and wait for Sony to drop the price (Something they aren't going to do quickly OR often, HI2U $400 dollar losses with every system due to CELL and Blu-ray), to improve install base when there's already a large amount of people with 360's and soon to be large amounts with Wii's, you're an idiot.

Third parties go where the people are. The same curse Nintendo had with GameCube is now Sony's curse. Sure there's gonna be PS3 only stuff. Sure some of it will be great. But will it be enough to outweigh what's coming out for the other two? Will it be enough to get Joesixpack who MADE MGS, GT and GTA mutli-million blockbusters to drop $600 big ones so that the install user base outweighs the ones of Wii and 360? (Let's not count in add ons, tax or game cost)

All signs point to -no-. Sony fans really need to come to terms and see that Sony themselves have taken measures to almost make sure that what made the PSone and PS2 such beasts isn't happening here. Last time the only thing that really kept the Xbox from really battling it out with Sony was the fact that Microsoft waited a year. And make no mistake, the true fight is between Sony and Microsoft because Nintendo isn't really even in the race. They are much like Apple, here to do the thing that's bought them steady profit for the last 47 years with no debt and no loss.

Make games.

[Headspace]

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Anyways, on the topic of the lack of Ps3 shipments :

Dave Karraker: At a media meeting this morning in Japan, Ken Kutaragi confirmed that there would be 400,000 units at launch for North America and 100,000 units in Japan. The North American number is just below what we had available at launch for PS2 and is higher than what Microsoft had for Xbox 360. More importantly, in my mind, is that we will have 1 to 1.2 million units available by December 31 in North America. This is more than double what Xbox 360 sold through during the same period (TRST data) and should assure there aren't significant stock dips at retail.

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1.2million by New Years is a nice boost, but isn't much better.

In the wake of the PlayStation 3 launch shipment slash and European delay, Nintendo has issued a statement to remind the world that its Wii is still on track to ship as planned.

Nintendo of America said in an official statement, "Wii is on track to ship in Q4. Nintendo plans to ship 6 million systems to retailers around the world between its launch in the fourth quarter of 2006 and the end of its fiscal year on March 31, 2007."

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6million worldwide by March is a very respectable number, and it looks like Nintendo is heading in a very good direction.

[Sixtail]

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Anyways, on the topic of the lack of Ps3 shipments :

Dave Karraker: At a media meeting this morning in Japan, Ken Kutaragi confirmed that there would be 400,000 units at launch for North America and 100,000 units in Japan. The North American number is just below what we had available at launch for PS2 and is higher than what Microsoft had for Xbox 360. More importantly, in my mind, is that we will have 1 to 1.2 million units available by December 31 in North America. This is more than double what Xbox 360 sold through during the same period (TRST data) and should assure there aren't significant stock dips at retail.

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1.2million by New Years is a nice boost, but isn't much better.

Too bad till New Years and seeing it happen, it's too easy to just snort at it as PR bullshit. I seem to remember Microsoft's PR beasts spewing something about "We are filling the 360 gap, blah blah blah" around Jan of this year when it was more BS and just now can you go out and buy the damn thing. If they don't have those systems in stores by the end of Christmas, then they have failed, because people will not hold onto hoilday cash long. Even those waiting to get PS3's are likely not to wait very long and godforbid the 'lolnewsystemfailureissues' that even now have some people give you dirty looks when you speak up how you have a still working launch PS2

<----Went though 5 of the SOB's.

[Correction]

you need to stop putting your ps2 through the dishwasher then. I had a low-serial number .jp PS2 and it lasted me 6 years. I only just replaced it last week with the new slim ones.

And a console's success is no longer tied to the # of early adopters. every console since the SNES has had hardware availability problems at launch. Every one of those launch consoles will sell whether or not people sit around in an internet forum laughing about it. That kind of guarantee is going to keep 3rd party developers on board no matter what the initial numbers look like to the uniniatiated.

[Not Kuno]

I got one of the first few PS2s released. I used it alot less then any other system, yet it's my only system to ever break to the point where it doesn't play most DVD and games. Mind you I STILL have my original nintendo, super nintendo, game boy, and every nintendo system after that purchased pretty much the year they came out working perfectly. There's a difference when you have a product that works after 20 years and one that breaks down after 2.

[Sixtail]

you need to stop putting your ps2 through the dishwasher then. I had a low-serial number .jp PS2 and it lasted me 6 years. I only just replaced it last week with the new slim ones.

And a console's success is no longer tied to the # of early adopters. every console since the SNES has had hardware availability problems at launch. Every one of those launch consoles will sell whether or not people sit around in an internet forum laughing about it. That kind of guarantee is going to keep 3rd party developers on board no matter what the initial numbers look like to the uniniatiated.

Hi lucky person. Can I shake your hand? Thanks. Not all of us are blessed by the god of Sony electrionic karma.

I never said that there would be issues selling launch units. Even such lolzers like the 3D0 and the fucking Jaguar sold through their launches pretty good and I'm not stupid to think there aren't a million people who have that $600 dollars ready. Maybe even more.

But after those million or so smoos got their units, what then? You've got to court Joe sixpack then, otherwise your going to be left high and dry. It's ALWAYS Joe sixpack who makes up the bulk of a system's sales after the first 6 months. And if you aren't racking in the Joes, then your system won't have enough units to warrent third parties spending time or money..or worse, your system always ends up with the ass-end of the mutli-system games and there's few things more damaging then if your system always ends up with the lame port.

And the people who sit on internet fourms tend to be the ones who buy the most games to boot, so you damn sure can't discount them. Numbers of them also tend to be the people who -sell- to Joe-sixpack or preach to the mainstream.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I also luckily have a release PS2 that works. Not perfectly, the initial load can take a bit long, but it works. Of course, my SNES, NES, orig GB, GBC (which was dropped in a pool while still on), and GBP. I also have other sony products that are broken and know a ton of people who had tons of broken PS2s (how many PS2 sales were from broken systems?)

[SilverBreeze]

I've dropped my Game Boy DS in the pool once and the toilet twice (don't ask) and it still works perfectly. My launch PS2 fucked up after about 3 years, and I just got a new one to replace it recently. (Had to for Grandia 3, Xeno 3, FF12). All my Nintendo systems still work, NES, SNES, GB GBP GBC GBA GBSP and DS, N64. My first gamecube fucked up and Nintendo replaced it for free.

Still being able to play Contra 19 years down the line fucking owns.

[elita]

this exact same conversation happens ever time a console is released. its always ended with sony > all others this is what will happen again regardless of nostalgia for the wii or microsofts release of 360 earlier than PS3 sony will beat them all because they have more money than everyone else they have more games than everyone else and they have more fans and they have more popular exclusive titles than any other. PS2 launched exactly the same way with buggy ass systems and a shitty launch and even more shit games for the first year and look where they are now.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

this exact same conversation happens ever time a console is released. its always ended with sony > all others this is what will happen again regardless of nostalgia for the wii or microsofts release of 360 earlier than PS3 sony will beat them all because they have more money than everyone else they have more games than everyone else and they have more fans and they have more popular exclusive titles than any other. PS2 launched exactly the same way with buggy ass systems and a shitty launch and even more shit games for the first year and look where they are now.

...Its ended up with Sony 'winning' twice. That's hardly 'every time', and lets look at PSP as well. (fyi all companies care about is if they make money, not 'winning'). Sony has more money THAN MICROSOFT? Oh come on. Nintendo has a shitton of money too, they make a ton of money on everything they do, they dont accept losses. Sony was successful with PSX and PS2 because they were trying to win, didn't assume they had already won. Ask any decent sports coach, to do well you must never think you are the champion.

[Sixtail]

sony will beat them all because they have more money than everyone else

The only thing that fails harder then your spelling and failure of proper use of Caps Lock is this statement. How can you type such things and not be blinded by your own stupid burning though the screen?

[SilverBreeze]

Everytime someone says OMG SONY ALWAYS WINS...

Hi2u PSP lol...

[Sixtail]

Everytime someone says OMG SONY ALWAYS WINS...

Hi2u PSP lol...

Daxter and Untold Legends do not a system make. And that's pretty much it, because the whole UMD thing is something i've yet to see even the most die-hard Sony fanboy justicfy it, other then some weaksauce dribble about how it's not that bad (lawl, just waiting for Wal-mart to start selling those UMD's for 5 bucks a pop)

I remember all the naysaying over the DS when the PSP launched. How do the times change.

[Sixtail]

this exact same conversation happens ever time a console is released. its always ended with sony > all others this is what will happen again regardless of nostalgia for the wii or microsofts release of 360 earlier than PS3 sony will beat them all because they have more money than everyone else they have more games than everyone else and they have more fans and they have more popular exclusive titles than any other. PS2 launched exactly the same way with buggy ass systems and a shitty launch and even more shit games for the first year and look where they are now.

...Its ended up with Sony 'winning' twice. That's hardly 'every time', and lets look at PSP as well. (fyi all companies care about is if they make money, not 'winning'). Sony has more money THAN MICROSOFT? Oh come on. Nintendo has a shitton of money too, they make a ton of money on everything they do, they dont accept losses. Sony was successful with PSX and PS2 because they were trying to win, didn't assume they had already won. Ask any decent sports coach, to do well you must never think you are the champion.

Had Microsoft not waited a year for the launch of the Xbox, Sony might not have 'won' so big. Even with the mistakes made. (The whole mess in Japan, cracked games with ease, failing at marketing, no viable RPG's)
Sony's huge ass lead came somewhat from the fact the only ones in the way were the N64 (lol) and the Dreamcast (By that time reaping the poison fruits grown in the age of the Sega CD, 32X and Saturn).

[SephYuyX]

sony > all others

Betamax, Betacam, MSX, D2, Hi8, Video Walkman, NT, Magic Link, PSP, VAIO, Cyber-shot, Digital8, Ruvi, SACD, CLIE, ImageStation, Qualia, PSX, Qrio, UMD, Librie, Bravia.

Yeah, those are some winners.

[Sixtail]

sony > all others

Betamax, Betacam, MSX, D2, Hi8, Video Walkman, NT, Magic Link, PSP, VAIO, Cyber-shot, Digital8, Ruvi, SACD, CLIE, ImageStation, Qualia, PSX, Qrio, UMD, Librie, Bravia.

Yeah, those are some winners.

Now now, it's hard to claim VAIO and PSP as 'lolfailures' yet even if they are getting their asses kicked by the guys across the fence.

The more I look at PS3, the more I see it as a unit to forceably get Sony's Blu-ray foot in the door for people who didn't go blow $800 on a player yet, first and as the next Playstation secound. That's why I keep wondering "Why now? You might as well wait till summer of next year and launch cheaper and better"

[Xavier]

First. Anything Sony says is complete and utter bullshit now. I wouldn't trust anything they say about millions more PS3s ready before the end of the year. They dropped the ball once, no reason to believe they won't do it again.

Second. Zelda is a launch game. Assuming Nintendo DOES indeed launch with as many units as they've said, the system WILL sellout immediately. Like someone already said, Nintendo has already taken #2 in the next-gen race within the first 24hrs simply because they'll have more systems to sell. And Zelda looks fking sweet.

The PS3 is looking like a really cheap blue-ray player instead of a gaming system now. 3rd PT developers are already rushing to develop games for the Wii, and theres a really simple reason for it. Its CHEAP to develop for, and its easy to develop for. If you made games for the Gamecube, your developers will basically have a really easy transition to the Wii. The sheer production cost on a game for the PS3, on top of the development time is just retarded. I personally don't want to wait for a good game from each company every 3 years on the PS3.

[elita]

The only thing that fails harder then your spelling and failure of proper use of Caps Lock is this statement. How can you type such things and not be blinded by your own stupid burning though the screen?

does your e-peen grow a lil bit every time you try to insult someone online?

[Veli]

All I know is that if PS3 really cost $600 it better be 200 times better than Xbox 360. I wonder if this blu ray stuff will be worth all this damn extra money.