Second-Hand Speedhacking

[Khalil]

RMTs have a lot of NMs pretty much slutted out. NMs like Simurgh, Serket, King Artho, Behemot and such are quite hard to claim without third-party programs. In fact, RMTs are known to use speed-hacks and Mr-Argus-esque type of programs. The players have become so pissed that they just simply leave these NMs to RMTs.

All we need is just one BIG perma-ban for all known RMTs. Then again, we are talking about SE. I can't really blame them though, profit > ethics.

[Plow]

If RMT had no impact whatsoever on the game, and merely sold gil from some website, and nobody ever saw them in-game or the effects of it on the economy, that'd be bad just on its own.

Ummm... explain please?

Because selling gil for real money is a big no-no. Says so in the fine print.

So you're saying you're just as bad for your windower as airshort for getting rich via hacking, since you use a windower?

Or that your windower makes you almost as bad as gilsellers simply because it says so in the tos?

Seriously man get real.

If you're hacking your ass off and cheating and fucking people over, you're every bit as bad as another person hacking their ass off and cheating and fucking people over.

If you claim it's not... then all I can say is stop fucking hacking cuz you're fucking up my game way worse than any gilseller ever has.

[Lordender]

The more contested the NM is the more gilsellers will warp to them. I know on carbuncle 39 of the most notorious gilsellers got banned just from warping to ulli and hacking up the mountain to fight jorm.

[Zigma]

friends don't let friends speed hack.

[Charitwo]

Looks like your sig and avatar speedhacked out of your post Zigma.

[Khamsin]

If RMT had no impact whatsoever on the game, and merely sold gil from some website, and nobody ever saw them in-game or the effects of it on the economy, that'd be bad just on its own.

Ummm... explain please?

Because selling gil for real money is a big no-no. Says so in the fine print.

So you're saying you're just as bad for your windower as airshort for getting rich via hacking, since you use a windower?

Or that your windower makes you almost as bad as gilsellers simply because it says so in the tos?

Seriously man get real.

If you're hacking your ass off and cheating and fucking people over, you're every bit as bad as another person hacking their ass off and cheating and fucking people over.

If you claim it's not... then all I can say is stop fucking hacking cuz you're fucking up my game way worse than any gilseller ever has.

Ok, let's try it this way.

Person A hacks their ass off and cheats and fucks people over.
Person B hacks their ass off and cheats and fucks people over, and sells gil.

Person B is worse than person A.

Make sense?

[Plow]

If RMT had no impact whatsoever on the game, and merely sold gil from some website, and nobody ever saw them in-game or the effects of it on the economy, that'd be bad just on its own.

Ummm... explain please?

Because selling gil for real money is a big no-no. Says so in the fine print.

So you're saying you're just as bad for your windower as airshort for getting rich via hacking, since you use a windower?

Or that your windower makes you almost as bad as gilsellers simply because it says so in the tos?

Seriously man get real.

If you're hacking your ass off and cheating and fucking people over, you're every bit as bad as another person hacking their ass off and cheating and fucking people over.

If you claim it's not... then all I can say is stop fucking hacking cuz you're fucking up my game way worse than any gilseller ever has.

Ok, let's try it this way.

Person A hacks their ass off and cheats and fucks people over.
Person B hacks their ass off and cheats and fucks people over, and sells gil.

Person B is worse than person A.

Make sense?

They're both worthless shitheads, don't see how it's worse.

And, what you said was if

Person A hacks their ass off and chats and fucks people over.
Person B has absolutely no effect on other players, but sells gil.

That person b is worse. I strongly, strongly disagree. I'd rather play on one of sony's eq2 servers where people are allowed to buy plat, directly from sony, than play say... d2... or age of empires... if you know anything about that.

[Khamsin]

[quote=Plow]

If RMT had no impact whatsoever on the game, and merely sold gil from some website, and nobody ever saw them in-game or the effects of it on the economy, that'd be bad just on its own.

Ummm... explain please?

Because selling gil for real money is a big no-no. Says so in the fine print.

So you're saying you're just as bad for your windower as airshort for getting rich via hacking, since you use a windower?

Or that your windower makes you almost as bad as gilsellers simply because it says so in the tos?

Seriously man get real.

If you're hacking your ass off and cheating and fucking people over, you're every bit as bad as another person hacking their ass off and cheating and fucking people over.

If you claim it's not... then all I can say is stop fucking hacking cuz you're fucking up my game way worse than any gilseller ever has.

Ok, let's try it this way.

Person A hacks their ass off and cheats and fucks people over.
Person B hacks their ass off and cheats and fucks people over, and sells gil.

Person B is worse than person A.

Make sense?

They're both worthless shitheads, don't see how it's worse.

And, what you said was if

Person A hacks their ass off and chats and fucks people over.
Person B has absolutely no effect on other players, but sells gil.

That person b is worse. I strongly, strongly disagree. I'd rather play on one of sony's eq2 servers where people are allowed to buy plat, directly from sony, than play say... d2... or age of empires... if you know anything about that.[/quote:7d6bc]

No, I said if Person B has no effect on players, but sells gil, that in itself is a bad thing.

Therefore, if they are otherwise the same as Person A (i.e. cheat and fuck people over), but also sell gil, they are worse.

Yes, both are worthless shitheads but RMT (who cheat and sell gil) are more worthless of a shithead than people who merely cheat but don't sell gil.

[Plow]

No, I said if Person B has no effect on players, but sells gil, that in itself is a bad thing.

Therefore, if they are otherwise the same as Person A (i.e. cheat and fuck people over), but also sell gil, they are worse.

Yes, both are worthless shitheads but RMT (who cheat and sell gil) are more worthless of a shithead than people who merely cheat but don't sell gil.

Are you kidding here or what?

You wouldn't give a hoot in hell about gilsellers if they didn't get in your way. Period.

People that cheat to gain gil are every bit as bad as people that cheat to gain gil. Period. Even if some of them are gaining it to sell. Not doing it to sell does not make cheating ok.

And yes, everyone can see that 2 things is more than 1 thing.

But I really don't give a fuck. If you cheat, you're shit. I don't really give a fuck how bad that particular piece of shit stinks, it's still shit, and I still don't wanna touch it.

[Jeryhn]

But I really don't give a fuck. If you cheat, you're shit. I don't really give a fuck how bad that particular piece of shit stinks, it's still shit, and I still don't wanna touch it.

And yet, you can't stop talking about it all fucking day like some kind of unstoppable moron.

[Priran]

is it even possible to earn a decent amount of money RMTing without fucking people over?

[Plow]

But I really don't give a fuck. If you cheat, you're shit. I don't really give a fuck how bad that particular piece of shit stinks, it's still shit, and I still don't wanna touch it.

And yet, you can't stop talking about it all fucking day like some kind of unstoppable moron.

How in the sam hell did you come up with that response to that?

I mean, if you're going to call someone a moron, your response should at least apply to their post in some way shape or form.

I guess you took that to mean "I..." fuck I dunno... that I don't care about the discussion I guess? What I meant was that I don't care about the distinction. A piece of shit is a piece of shit, even if it's shinier than the piece of shit next to it.

Sorry, I'm not one of the dipshits that sits there in a conversation saying what I think and showing that I care and then claiming I don't.

[aurik]

is it even possible to earn a decent amount of money RMTing without fucking people over?

No because the real RMTs will fuck you over for their daily bread.

[Plow]

is it even possible to earn a decent amount of money RMTing without fucking people over?

Well supposedly most of IGE's money comes from American kids just selling their shit, but who knows how much of that really is. But I believe we all know it most definately happens, and sometimes people get fucked when it happens, sometimes they don't.

[Shyla]

I asked a GM if there was any way possible of tracking transactions of suspected RMT. They said the only way they could get a case on them is if the admitted to it

Like it's really so hard to tell.

[Credos]

is it even possible to earn a decent amount of money RMTing without fucking people over?

No because the real RMTs will fuck you over for their daily rice.

fixed.

[Kyreth]

What is the point of teaming up with rmt for items instead of earning them with friends? Watching friends get items and become better seems better than helping people that are just going to sell gil.....

Being in this game just for yourself seems rather stupid, go play a single player RPG instead.

Because people like that don't give a shit about friends, they just want stuff so people pay attention to their big throbbing e-peens.

And "invisible" RMT activity isn't. All that Gil going into the economy utterly fucks the system up- witness the changes now that the huge flow of RMT Gil has been beaten down to some extent.

If "guilt by assocation" means fewer RMT accounts survive each bansticking, well I just love the smell of napalm in the morning from now on. Burn em all.

[Kyreth]

Ok, let's try it this way.

Person A hacks their ass off and cheats and fucks people over.
Person B hacks their ass off and cheats and fucks people over, and sells gil.

Person B is worse than person A.

Make sense?

Sure. Dante's Hell had many circles, depending on the sin. A & B need to go there, as both have hit my "damn you to the icy pit" level of playerdom.

All B has over A in my book is more bullets for the FFXI death penalty.

[Eternus]

Selling gil helps players who don't do the work themselves cheat on top of the gilsellers doing the exact same thing as non-gilselling botters. RMT just farm for the people who don't farm for themselves yet use their RL money to do the work for them. That really screws up the game imo when someone buys gil for gear they have no business having (Osode on some guy who doesn't have sky or a 75 job is possilbe thanks to RMT). It is bad enough that RMT monopolize NMs like any botter can and does.

[Witchking]

Osode on some guy who doesn't have sky or a 75 job is possilbe thanks to RMT

It's also possible thanks to LSes getting more Osodes than they have members, or thanks to someone that has an Osode selling it due to lack of use, but yeah, good point I guess