Midgardsormr PO disbanding RMT LS items

[Koyangi]

Exactly. MTG is "virtual" (just artists drawing on cards with rules), and if I was to ever quit, nothings stopping me from making probably over 30k on what I have.

And that is exactly why I never got too heavily into MTG. I played it, I had fun, I spent maybe a few $100 on it over the course of a year, but for some of the people at the conventions it was all about deriving maximum value from your entertainment. It's just not fun when the guy across the table is thinking "I need to do whatever it takes to win, so I get 8 packs instead of 6, so I can sell these cards". No, not everyone was like that, but in an environment which encouraged it, it just ceased to be fun.

And that's why I like FFXI and I keep playing the game. The community is one where we are collectively pissing away time in a mostly-cooperative manner, under the ethos that we're here purely for entertainment's sake, not for squeezing real money out of our entertainment time. When I quit, I'm going to give away some of my stuff, keep some of it to delete, and then cancel my account. If I'm not back in 3 months, my character will expire, and I will have moved on to other things.

I will agree, if you have deep pockets/lots of extra spending money, its much easier to build good decks, since MTG is a competitive game. I don't know too many players left who don't play seriously for that to matter. I wouldnt walk into my soccer game and expect my opposing team to suck/not care. They'll also want to win, and do what it takes to get there. ie: MTG: more money = better cards; soccer: more practice/teamwork development = more skilled.

[Dustybrown]

I feel bad for people who still equate a video game to real life. Real people play the game sure, but at the end of the day it's just a video game. If you spend a few extra k on an item so what, you're not starving. Kill another NM or craft something and move on. It the grand scheme of things it doesn't make a lick of a difference in your life. Someone getting a few grand of real money is like winning a small lottery, it actually can make a difference in their life.

At the cost of ruining the enjoyment other people take out of the game? I never said FFXI is real life so you don't have to feel bad for me (I quit about 2 months ago now, don't have time to play RL > FF) but I'm not completely ignorant to the idea that some people do play this game as a release from the problems of RL/work/family or whatever. No one can tell someone else how to relax and enjoy themselves and some people play videogames, some people go to the gym and other people read books and watch TV. When I first joined the gym, the guy told me that some people use that as an escape or "me time" as he referred to it. FFXI is just the same thing. Not everyone is obsessed with playing 24/7, some people literally play to enjoy themselves. And to ruin it for those people is both greedy and selfish. But as I said, as long as there is $$ involved, people don't care about that.

Besides, you obviously missed the point. If money like that is going to make such a difference in your life, why are you playing the damn thing anyway? I can think of a lot better ways to make money.

[Skyylya]

Exactly. MTG is "virtual" (just artists drawing on cards with rules), and if I was to ever quit, nothings stopping me from making probably over 30k on what I have.

And that is exactly why I never got too heavily into MTG. I played it, I had fun, I spent maybe a few $100 on it over the course of a year, but for some of the people at the conventions it was all about deriving maximum value from your entertainment. It's just not fun when the guy across the table is thinking "I need to do whatever it takes to win, so I get 8 packs instead of 6, so I can sell these cards". No, not everyone was like that, but in an environment which encouraged it, it just ceased to be fun.

And that's why I like FFXI and I keep playing the game. The community is one where we are collectively pissing away time in a mostly-cooperative manner, under the ethos that we're here purely for entertainment's sake, not for squeezing real money out of our entertainment time. When I quit, I'm going to give away some of my stuff, keep some of it to delete, and then cancel my account. If I'm not back in 3 months, my character will expire, and I will have moved on to other things.

I will agree, if you have deep pockets/lots of extra spending money, its much easier to build good decks, since MTG is a competitive game. I don't know too many players left who don't play seriously for that to matter. I wouldnt walk into my soccer game and expect my opposing team to suck/not care. They'll also want to win, and do what it takes to get there. ie: MTG: more money = better cards; soccer: more practice/teamwork development = more skilled.

Anyone want to buy some old 3rd-4th generation cards? I used to play back in like sixth grade and I happened to run into my boxes of cards. I looked the value's up online and i got a couple hundred bucks worth.

[BRP]

Raubien sucks so much PO dick lol. You guys should let him join.

Lets not forget selling MTG cards in both legal and doesn't effect game. Now, if you were paying your opponent somehow for mana, then that'd be like RMT.

"Just a game" is thrown out right about the time you need to rely on people around the world on a trust system. MMORPGs are about the closest one can get to a second life. However, I base my opinion on none of this. I do believe in the honor system. Your "I feel bad for people who still equate a video game to real life" is the same as my "I feel bad for people who allow themselves to become trash because they care about money so much".

[khain]

You've obviously run out of material, its no longer fun for me. Thanks BRP guess I'll go find something else to do.

[Tythera]

Exactly. MTG is "virtual" (just artists drawing on cards with rules), and if I was to ever quit, nothings stopping me from making probably over 30k on what I have.

And that is exactly why I never got too heavily into MTG. I played it, I had fun, I spent maybe a few $100 on it over the course of a year, but for some of the people at the conventions it was all about deriving maximum value from your entertainment. It's just not fun when the guy across the table is thinking "I need to do whatever it takes to win, so I get 8 packs instead of 6, so I can sell these cards". No, not everyone was like that, but in an environment which encouraged it, it just ceased to be fun.

And that's why I like FFXI and I keep playing the game. The community is one where we are collectively pissing away time in a mostly-cooperative manner, under the ethos that we're here purely for entertainment's sake, not for squeezing real money out of our entertainment time. When I quit, I'm going to give away some of my stuff, keep some of it to delete, and then cancel my account. If I'm not back in 3 months, my character will expire, and I will have moved on to other things.

I will agree, if you have deep pockets/lots of extra spending money, its much easier to build good decks, since MTG is a competitive game. I don't know too many players left who don't play seriously for that to matter. I wouldnt walk into my soccer game and expect my opposing team to suck/not care. They'll also want to win, and do what it takes to get there. ie: MTG: more money = better cards; soccer: more practice/teamwork development = more skilled.

Even more offtopic but that's more or less why drafting and sealed deck events came about. Everyone was on the same page, it didn't matter if you had spent 10000$ on cards or 100$ on cards previous to the event, it was just about deckbuilding and in the case of drafting which cards to pick. Then the rest would lie on how well you played, previous money spent never came into play. Getting to the point and linking to these posts is that's how I had fun with MTG (when I still played) while still having the competitive aspect of it. If you won packs at the end of a draft you could use those for the next one and not even have to pay.

[khain]

Most card games are a money sink because its some cartoon fad. Magic sounds different though

[Koyangi]

I actually like drafts/sealed deck alot.

[Lordwafik]

I feel bad for people who still equate a video game to real life. Real people play the game sure, but at the end of the day it's just a video game.

Difference that you don't seem to comprehend :

Offline game - everyone is a NPC
MMO - There are real people you are interacting with, and unlike WoW where it's an antisocial game, FFXI is built all around the community and doing things in numbers.


Technically it is "just a game" but not to the extent that an offline game is.

[Ryko]

Magic's lasted a long ass time, it's not going anywhere. You don't have to watch the show or even appreciate it to play ygo though, the association is there for btoh good (marketing to children) and bad (older people being turned off due to the marketing to children) though.

And with YVD I don't need to pay a thing to make up whatever deck I want <_<

[BRP]

Most card games are a money sink because its some cartoon fad. Magic sounds different though

Raubien I thought you were going?

And, I always played card games(MTG and YGH really) using online programs at no cost. Though I never got the chance to enter any draft tournaments, which I always wanted to do.

EDIT: The manga interested me more than the card game ever did, and it was most interesting before they focused on the card game. If you watched the anime, I pity you. If you watched the dub, lol. The abridged version is amazing however.

[khain]

Where was I going.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Magic's lasted a long ass time, it's not going anywhere. You don't have to watch the show or even appreciate it to play ygo though, the association is there for btoh good (marketing to children) and bad (older people being turned off due to the marketing to children) though.

And with YVD I don't need to pay a thing to make up whatever deck I want <_<

But the game mechanics suck.

[Ryko]

Your belief bro. At times it can be very restrictive to the point of being predictable but that's entirely based on the deck your opponent is running. I have a typical cookie cutter (which got gutted thanks to the september bans) but I have like 10 niche decks too that can alter easily based on side decking between matches. Back in the day due to lack of options early on I wouldnt have even looked at a fusion deck due to how slow it played but even Elemental heros and Fusion substitutes make it fun and actually pretty good.

[BRP]

Magic's lasted a long ass time, it's not going anywhere. You don't have to watch the show or even appreciate it to play ygo though, the association is there for btoh good (marketing to children) and bad (older people being turned off due to the marketing to children) though.

And with YVD I don't need to pay a thing to make up whatever deck I want <_<

But the game mechanics suck.

You should be the last one talking about "game mechanics". HOW ABOUT THEM 2-HANDED WEAPONS, DON'T NEED FIXIN AMIRITE?

[Tencteri]

I've been playing MTG since 1993. It isn't a difficult game and is a good investment if you know how to approach it. If anyone is interested in the game, check out: http://www.wizards.com/magic

It's a good card game and a good investment. Message me if you need advice or anything. :D

As for PO, I don't understand what happened to PO exactly, but I personally don't agree with how it is disbanding like this. For a LS to have all the success and accomplishments to just disband without a logical reason is just ridiculous. If I were any of you in PO, I would try to reform and fix this problem, because it is just going to cause problems for yourselves and everyone else.

[Raineer]

As for PO, I don't understand what happened to PO exactly, but I personally don't agree with how it is disbanding like this. For a LS to have all the success and accomplishments to just disband without a logical reason is just ridiculous. If I were any of you in PO, I would try to reform and fix this problem, because it is just going to cause problems for yourselves and everyone else.

And so comes the "social responsibility" to continue just for the sake of others. This is part of what drove me from the game, the feeling that I was never allowed to leave.

Random example: Wafik (whom I respect very much) isn't going to RMT his stuff when he leaves...personal choice and it's completely up to him. But when is he allowed to leave? Since many other people helped him get his relic, and he leads such a large group of people in such a successful endeavor...if he ever chooses to quit the game he'll be harming them, RMT or not. Would there be threads saying he HAS to stay and detailing the way he must act in order to please the public? (I doubt he's really a lord, ya'know)

Now PO isn't "allowed" to disband without proper notification, explanation, and justification to all it might affect? Do you guys even read or think about what you're posting?

RMT upon quitting, for some reason, has been linked to selling drugs, raping girls, robbing stores, and murder (like 3 times) all in this thread. How far do you guys intend to drive these fucking examples?

Not that it really changes anything, but I've seen a delination between RMT'ing gil and RMT'ing accounts... I RMT'd gil, my account (and all it's super ra/ex junks) went back to the linkshell that earned me everything, it was not turned into a gilfarmer.

I just don't get it. Folks, I understand there are real people that play this game... but it is NOT "real life". No one is really benefitting or growing as a person here, it's just a timekiller. You really need to stop treating it so damn seriously. I understand that it can be a 20hr+ a day timekiller for some of us, but seriously you can't just spread your standards on everyone you feel should act on your behalf.

[Thaesus]

I've been playing MTG since 1993. It isn't a difficult game and is a good investment if you know how to approach it. If anyone is interested in the game, check out: http://www.wizards.com/magic

It's a good card game and a good investment. Message me if you need advice or anything. :D

As for PO, I don't understand what happened to PO exactly, but I personally don't agree with how it is disbanding like this. For a LS to have all the success and accomplishments to just disband without a logical reason is just ridiculous. If I were any of you in PO, I would try to reform and fix this problem, because it is just going to cause problems for yourselves and everyone else.

Short version

Ara quit last year
Game starts sucking for alot of people
3yrs later we are still at kings/sky for gear
CoP and ToAU suck for alot
No good content for years
Ara comes back and disappears off the face of the earth
Lots of people quit because game got boring

[aurik]

As for PO, I don't understand what happened to PO exactly, but I personally don't agree with how it is disbanding like this. For a LS to have all the success and accomplishments to just disband without a logical reason is just ridiculous. If I were any of you in PO, I would try to reform and fix this problem, because it is just going to cause problems for yourselves and everyone else.

And so comes the "social responsibility" to continue just for the sake of others. This is part of what drove me from the game, the feeling that I was never allowed to leave.

Random example: Wafik (whom I respect very much) isn't going to RMT his stuff when he leaves...personal choice and it's completely up to him. But when is he allowed to leave? Since many other people helped him get his relic, and he leads such a large group of people in such a successful endeavor...if he ever chooses to quit the game he'll be harming them, RMT or not. Would there be threads saying he HAS to stay and detailing the way he must act in order to please the public? (I doubt he's really a lord, ya'know)

Now PO isn't "allowed" to disband without proper notification, explanation, and justification to all it might affect? Do you guys even read or think about what you're posting?

RMT upon quitting, for some reason, has been linked to selling drugs, raping girls, robbing stores, and murder (like 3 times) all in this thread. How far do you guys intend to drive these fucking examples?

Not that it really changes anything, but I've seen a delination between RMT'ing gil and RMT'ing accounts... I RMT'd gil, my account (and all it's super ra/ex junks) went back to the linkshell that earned me everything, it was not turned into a gilfarmer.

I just don't get it. Folks, I understand there are real people that play this game... but it is NOT "real life". No one is really benefitting or growing as a person here, it's just a timekiller. You really need to stop treating it so damn seriously. I understand that it can be a 20hr+ a day timekiller for some of us, but seriously you can't just spread your standards on everyone you feel should act on your behalf.

No offense, but if i was playing scrabble and you stomp all over the board when you quit the game, I'd be a bit pissed. That's exactly how I see RMTing your shit when you leave.

"It's ok to sell out if the price is good enough" is essentially what the supporters of rmt are saying. I'm saying it's never OK. Ever. You agreed that every time you loaded the game. There are no clauses that say "ok, you can RMT as long as you put it in your kids college fund". I'm glad that you got something out of it, but you essentially did help stick the knife in all your online friends' backs to do it.

We can live with it (obviously we're going to have to) but that doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.

[Lordwafik]

Random example: Wafik (whom I respect very much) isn't going to RMT his stuff when he leaves...personal choice and it's completely up to him. But when is he allowed to leave? Since many other people helped him get his relic, and he leads such a large group of people in such a successful endeavor...if he ever chooses to quit the game he'll be harming them, RMT or not. Would there be threads saying he HAS to stay and detailing the way he must act in order to please the public? (I doubt he's really a lord, ya'know)

I will leave when I feel this game has nothing to offer me anymore, that, and if my friends stop playing. If for example all my friends quit tomorrow and vowed never to return, I would probably quit too, because they are my reason for logging in.

The people of asura do not own me nor control my decisions. It'll hurt some people when I quit yes, but I wont sharpen that sting with a serving of RMT'd relic.

I dont feel like I owe anyone anything and owing people is not and will never be my driving force to play .My relic did yeild over 150 peices of AF2 for the LS all out of my pocket, aswell as a ton of synths. I do not play in guilt, I play for fun, when the fun stops, I change what I do to make it fun again (hence why I havent camped kings in 10 months). Nor do I make other people feel like they owe my LS anything when they leave. If someone's not feeling good about it, I tell them if you're done, you're done, I refuse to make this such a chore for you.