Question on Magic Attack Bonus

[izembo]

exactly, can't tell completely, use magic attack and int where possible when no dark skill, and even if its just a placebo if feels as if it helps, so i'd rather do that than nothing.


edit: yes, i know that, and blm is the most boring fucking job, so i dont put staff swaps in so that it keeps me awake.

[Awoir]

10%

same macro on drk/blm, i use drk more, losing tp when changing on drk would be retarded. when i hit the macro on blm i open up the equip menu and change, sometimes it doesnt go fast enough.

You do realize that they give you 10 macro palettes?

You do realize there is 18 jobs? <.<

[aurik]

i don't know

Fixed.

[nivlakian]

Since I rarely see the full damage of drain, I won't comment on it... however, I could at least say Magic Attack Bonus will not increase the cap on aspir and is likely to not affect it.

Over time, I've noticed (on non-light/dark weather/day) that aspir won't go above 138mp w/ Pluto's staff which suggests a cap of 120 w/ 15% bonus from staff. Despite changes in gear adding or lacking MAB, this number has not changed and the most I see from other BLMs is the same.

[izembo]

i do have staff in where it matters, i have dark staff in sleep macro, i have wind staff in gravity, but for multi job macros i use what works for me, and change when needed, if i mess up, oh well, missing a 10% bonus on drain/aspir every so often isnt that detrimental.

in the end what i'm saying, from my observations, it has an effect on it. go out and prove me wrong if you want, but shut the hell up with the flaming until you have some solid proof yourself asshat.


edit: i've gotten higher than that on aspir with a nq dark staff.

[inafume]

edit: i don't see you proving anything either.

it does effect it.

Aurik's not the one who said MAB affects Drain/Aspir, you were. Your means of proving it have so far been... suspect.

[aurik]

10%

same macro on drk/blm, i use drk more, losing tp when changing on drk would be retarded. when i hit the macro on blm i open up the equip menu and change, sometimes it doesnt go fast enough.

You do realize that they give you 10 macro palettes?

You do realize there is 18 jobs? <.<

Show me someone that can dress for more than 10 jobs at a time without muling for hours daily and I'll give you a cookie.

Also, using "//" to comment out gear swaps is ftw.

[izembo]

i don't mule.

[Charitwo]

This thread is going nowhere fast, why is it still unlocked?

[aurik]

i don't mule.

You also don't swap to dark staff for aspir/drain.

[Awoir]

I'll do a test on worms outside bastok with my BLM63 and Pluto's Staff tonight, gonna go get an iPod and hang out with friends some.

[izembo]

in a macro, i do it manually, read.

sidenote edit: awoir you better logon later, you been out all day

[Vedder]

it does effect it.

affect, tard.

[izembo]

congratulations, you've degraded to dictionary spell-check man. you know what it means, who gives a shit.

[aurik]

I got ownt because I made an assertion and couldn't back it up with evidence.

Back on topic, does anyone know for sure? I'd be interested in knowing, though my gut feeling is to trust Nivlakian's response.

It would be nice to see numbers, if anyone knows where to find some tests done.

[Dezzimal]

What I've seen with drain/aspir is that its directly based off your Dark Magic skill and will hit a mode number a few times here and there. Aspir is actually more consistant than drain for me, and probably easier to test. Go try it on some ronfaure worms with 3 gear setups:

Naked
Dark Gear only
Dark Gear + moldy/weskit/novio/zenith mitts

I'd add in INT gear too if you want, because that is what I use to Aspir, though I really have no basis for doing so.

[Suiram]

Ever since Nivlakian mentioned it to me over half a year ago, I have never once aspired above 138 outside of darksday or dark weather--and I have been paying attention.

I would take the reasoning a step further, and argue that MAB does not affect Drain/Aspir because with elemental magic, when you hit the damage cap for a spell, it can still be futher modified by staves, day/weather, MAB, MB, etc. Aspir, on the other hand, appears to be modified by staves, day/weather, and MB, but not by MAB (you never break 138 with pluto's staff without day, weather, or MB regardless of how much MAB you are wearing).

Edit: Nvm, that's exactly what he said.

[draxyl]

Also, using "//" to comment out gear swaps is ftw.

Damn noobs, /* = win.

[aurik]

Ever since Nivlakian mentioned it to me over half a year ago, I have never once aspired above 138 outside of darksday or dark weather--and I have been paying attention.

I would take the reasoning a step further, and argue that MAB does not affect Drain/Aspir because with elemental magic, when you hit the damage cap for a spell, it can still be futher modified by staves, day/weather, MAB, MB, etc. Aspir, on the other hand, appears to be modified by staves, day/weather, and MB, but not by MAB (you never break 138 with pluto's staff without day, weather, or MB regardless of how much MAB you are wearing).

Edit: Nvm, that's exactly what he said.

So would you say that dark magic skill has no effect once you hit a cap? Or do you think your aspir total is calculated based on skill, and subsequently capped? (in which case dark magic skill will still raise your average by raising the minimum)

[Khamsin]

10%

same macro on drk/blm, i use drk more, losing tp when changing on drk would be retarded. when i hit the macro on blm i open up the equip menu and change, sometimes it doesnt go fast enough.

You do realize that they give you 10 macro palettes?

You do realize there is 18 jobs? <.<

Show me someone that can dress for more than 10 jobs at a time without muling for hours daily and I'll give you a cookie.

Also, using "//" to comment out gear swaps is ftw.

My RDM macros alone take up 3 macro palettes. lol