Next update...

[Septimus]

Side Topic:

Shantoto is Satan.

False: Dr. Shantoto is awesome.

I’m hoping Cerb & Hydra were only meant to be Serket/Roc to a much more desirable Sky with equivalent side-grades...
Perhaps I’m setting my sights a bit too high?

You know, that is a very good point. When Serket was first introduced I am sure that it was destruction in a can considering the level cap at the time. When the players saw Cerebus and Hydra we expected drops like kings, but if you look at their drops from a Serket perspective they do seem more reasonable. (Well, Hydra's drops still suck.)

And I hope you are correct, it is going to be sad to put forth effort to get to lolsea v2.0.

[aurik]

Side Topic:

Shantoto is Satan.

False: Dr. Shantoto is awesome.

I’m hoping Cerb & Hydra were only meant to be Serket/Roc to a much more desirable Sky with equivalent side-grades...
Perhaps I’m setting my sights a bit too high?

You know, that is a very good point. When Serket was first introduced I am sure that it was destruction in a can considering the level cap at the time. When the players saw Cerebus and Hydra we expected drops like kings, but if you look at their drops from a Serket perspective they do seem more reasonable. (Well, Hydra's drops still suck.)

And I hope you are correct, it is going to be sad to put forth effort to get to lolsea v2.0.

When serket was first introduced, the Scp. Harness was pretty much the end-all-be-all body piece for thf and mnk. What did thf wear before harness anyway? Harness is 5 acc and 10 evasion better than mnk AF.

To compare, Cerberus mantle is a slightly inferior forager's mantle with a bit of enmity.

Serket also dropped a ring with twice the potency of an astral ring.

[Hyjynx]

lol I think Sept was trying to keep a positive air about his post, we all know Cerb and Hydra (to a greater degree) suckass.

I know I'm still too addicted to leave the game but S-E is really pushing it with the blatant insensitivity to our constant pleas. It's really starting to get on my nerves.

[Blinkwise]

lol im with hyjnx in that i have a real love hate relationship with SE. I would love for them to listen to what we want, and i hate when they blatently ignore us

[levish]

personally i would just love to see a test server patch notes to see wtf they are working on so i don't get my hope up then get really depressed to find chocobo racing and some new assault missions as it for the new patch.

[GRT]

people in japan are gonna have a chance to fight shantoto in TGS in a couple days............ SO UNFAIR!!


http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event/tgs2006/

[Exporta]

whatever they release its gonna suck.. new assault will be in underwater but will have crappy reward you can bet on that.. chocobo raising is the dumbest thing ever.. they release 2-3h of storyline every 3 month.. which can be done in less then a week... what can be added in besiege?? new NM probly and it gonna make besiege last longer, when its long enough already. SE dosent care about players they care about RMT and $$$ they make.. they will keep on releasing crappy content until all servers are shut down.. which i hope is soon so they make more (normal) FF Game.. where the roots of FF are not in a stupid MMORPG where retards can use bot.buy gils.. and make what is suposely a (Game) a total retarded game where all you end up doing is wasting you time!


FFXII coming soon .. screw FFXI

8)

[Avé]

whatever they release its gonna suck.. new assault will be in underwater but will have crappy reward you can bet on that.. chocobo raising is the dumbest thing ever.. they release 2-3h of storyline every 3 month.. which can be done in less then a week... what can be added in besiege?? new NM probly and it gonna make besiege last longer, when its long enough already. SE dosent care about players they care about RMT and $$$ they make.. they will keep on releasing crappy content until all servers are shut down.. which i hope is soon so they make more (normal) FF Game.. where the roots of FF are not in a stupid MMORPG where retards can use bot.buy gils.. and make what is suposely a (Game) a total retarded game where all you end up doing is wasting you time!


FFXII coming soon .. screw FFXI

8)

Wow, wtf is with all the hate?

And, yes XII(along with Okami, and TP) is forcing me to put XI on extended hiatus.

[Kyreth]

That is an excellent point.
They better slam dunk this next one, and Choco Racing alone ain't gunna cut it.

I would be happy if only they updated summoning skill like they said they would.

I have a feeling this will go in with any ToAU summons.

[Septimus]

people in japan are gonna have a chance to fight shantoto in TGS in a couple days............ SO UNFAIR!!


http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event/tgs2006/

Wait... They get to fight Shantoto, Ayame, Curilla, and Prishe?! Lucky.

[Khamsin]

people in japan are gonna have a chance to fight shantoto in TGS in a couple days............ SO UNFAIR!!


http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event/tgs2006/

Wait... They get to fight Shantoto, Ayame, Curilla, and Prishe?! Lucky.

Unlucky!

Fighting Trion and such would have been easy, because Trion is a pansy.

But fighting Shantoto? Prishe? Either one of those two would kick your butt on their own. Curilla isn't a pushover, either, but not as powerful as Shantoto and Prishe. I don't know much of Ayame.

[GRT]

lol yah, it's not gonna be easy

here are the rules: 6 people of jobs WAR, MNK, THF, WHM, BLM, RDM.. lv60 cap with NO SJ, equipment is basic AF + 1 weapon 1 shield, participants will have 5 minutes to talk with each other, discuss strategies etc, and 15 minutes to win the BC

........

unless those 4 are totally gimped i don't see how this is beatable XD


http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event/tg ... afes1.html

[Septimus]

lol yah, it's not gonna be easy

here are the rules: 6 people of jobs WAR, MNK, THF, WHM, BLM, RDM.. lv60 cap with NO SJ, equipment is basic AF + 1 weapon 1 shield, participants will have 5 minutes to talk with each other, discuss strategies etc, and 15 minutes to win the BC

........

unless those 4 are totally gimped i don't see how this is beatable XD


http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event/tg ... afes1.html

If they expect the RDM to melee them to death in full Artifact Armor then they must be very gimp indeed. lol

[Kyreth]

lol I think Sept was trying to keep a positive air about his post, we all know Cerb and Hydra (to a greater degree) suckass.

I know I'm still too addicted to leave the game but S-E is really pushing it with the blatant insensitivity to our constant pleas. It's really starting to get on my nerves.

Your problem is you think your pleas are a significant part of the playerbase and posted in a location S-E is actually reading.

The main problem is the places they ARE reading are forums like ZAM's, which is a vast sea of n00bs, with islands of common sense ideas that are eaten away almost as soon as they poke above the waves.

That we don't speak the native language of half (or more) of the devs doesn't help either.

The earlier post that equates Cerebus/Hydra to lesser NM's actually makes sense, though. ToAU updates are definitely not even close to done, and usually bigger stuff comes in the later updates of an expansion. That was all of the first update storyline-wise, after all. Plenty more to come.

People want their OMG HUGE GREAT LEWTZ fights before they even finish half the expansion being placed on the servers. Not happening.

[Kyreth]

If they expect the RDM to melee them to death in full Artifact Armor then they must be very gimp indeed. lol

No SJ's, so it's not like the RDM can't be sitting there trying to gimp tank with Phalanx/Blink/Stoneskin crap for a few rounds while they try to drop Prishe.

I dunno if I could hit Shantotto, anyway. I'd come back and find my Moogle got turned into King Behemoth or something and never be seen again, or end up getting randomly Meteored for the rest of my life.

[Septimus]

lol I think Sept was trying to keep a positive air about his post, we all know Cerb and Hydra (to a greater degree) suckass.

I know I'm still too addicted to leave the game but S-E is really pushing it with the blatant insensitivity to our constant pleas. It's really starting to get on my nerves.

Your problem is you think your pleas are a significant part of the playerbase and posted in a location S-E is actually reading.

The main problem is the places they ARE reading are forums like ZAM's, which is a vast sea of n00bs, with islands of common sense ideas that are eaten away almost as soon as they poke above the waves.

That we don't speak the native language of half (or more) of the devs doesn't help either.

The earlier post that equates Cerebus/Hydra to lesser NM's actually makes sense, though. ToAU updates are definitely not even close to done, and usually bigger stuff comes in the later updates of an expansion. That was all of the first update storyline-wise, after all. Plenty more to come.

People want their OMG HUGE GREAT LEWTZ fights before they even finish half the expansion being placed on the servers. Not happening.

But on the other hand, those fights never showed up in the last expansion. >_>

It's like battered gamer's syndrome. No matter how much Square slaps us around we keep thinking that we can change them.

[LD]

I’m hoping Cerb & Hydra were only meant to be Serket/Roc to a much more desirable Sky with equivalent side-grades...
Perhaps I’m setting my sights a bit too high?

You know, that is a very good point. When Serket was first introduced I am sure that it was destruction in a can considering the level cap at the time. When the players saw Cerebus and Hydra we expected drops like kings, but if you look at their drops from a Serket perspective they do seem more reasonable. (Well, Hydra's drops still suck.)

And I hope you are correct, it is going to be sad to put forth effort to get to lolsea v2.0.

When serket was first introduced, the Scp. Harness was pretty much the end-all-be-all body piece for thf and mnk. What did thf wear before harness anyway? Harness is 5 acc and 10 evasion better than mnk AF.

To compare, Cerberus mantle is a slightly inferior forager's mantle with a bit of enmity.

Serket also dropped a ring with twice the potency of an astral ring.

While you are correct, I also cited Roc, which is probably a more fair comparison in terms of loot pool (especially now, with the additional ways of obtaining a D. Ingot.)
I believe Cerberus is comparable to Serket in that he is as proportionately damaging, only at a higher level (both in difficulty and actual strength.)

Honestly, I don’t believe we should compare the two directly, scaling isn't always done in the same way.
I was merely suggesting that a related hierarchy may be in development and that there are (vague) similarities.

Side Topic:

Shantoto is Satan.

False: Dr. Shantoto is awesome.

Let us agree to disagree; she is awesome in her crazed, evil, horrifying, sadism.

[Correction]

Side Topic:

Shantoto is Satan.

False: Dr. Shantoto is awesome.

Let us agree to disagree; she is awesome in her crazed, evil, horrifying, sadism.

Compared to Zaldon, Shantoto is the Virgin fucking Mary.

[LD]

...(mostly because I’m hoping to finally see some Iron Giants)...

Ya know, I scroll my screen to the side ignoring the user names so I can read all the posts without scrolling side to side. But when I saw the Iron Giants thing I knew it was you.

Seriously, you're like the only one who's looking forward to that thing. ;x

For two reasons:

1: Hoping for Mighty/Big Gaurd for BLU.
2: Gigantic, Living, Suits of Armor with Huge Fuckin' Swords. Period.

We need more of an 'Oh Shit' factor in this game, like Guivre (only preferably not as obstructive).
Behemoth as a ridiculously difficult exp mob you're forced to fight, mobs out of no where that you can't see coming, easily avoid (sea), or simply not be detected by (Cave Ants), Cerberus as a roaming mob in Halvung coming down the hall and you hug a branching tunnel hoping he doesn't turn or smell your flop sweat.
There are literally too many orcs and not enough balrogs in this game.
We need a mob that when he's about to pop, every other monster clears the fuck out.
That, to me, is the very definition of an 'Oh Shit' moment.
Maybe not even to that degree, there just aren't enough mobs in this game that when you round a corner and see one staring you down, you automatically lose your constipation problem.

The earlier post that equates Cerebus/Hydra to lesser NM's actually makes sense, though. ToAU updates are definitely not even close to done, and usually bigger stuff comes in the later updates of an expansion. That was all of the first update storyline-wise, after all. Plenty more to come.

But on the other hand, those fights never showed up in the last expansion. >_>

Well, there are two arguments against that.
Neither of them are all that solid and they are both moot.

COP was very blatantly directed towards the story.
Even the wyrms are counted in this, if you think about it.
So everything from that expansion was generally created in the vien of that sort of content.

COP expanded on the middle lands and not an entirely new continent; Wyrms are (roughly) as far away as two of the Three Kings.
This is indicative of the relative strength needed to defeat them.



tf is Zaldon?

[cassiraa]

LD:
There are things like that and moments in the game.

Remember pulling as a level 32 job in Garlaige Citadel and going "OH CRAP, REVENANT!!!" or Guivre in Kuftal. Or taking a level 1 from Windurst to Jeuno.

The problem is, people intensionally avoid these situations. You want excitement? Screw Kuftal Tunnel. Go XP in Ro'Meave off of weapons. Gustav Tunnel? Go to the Shadowlord's Castle and XP off of the upper tier Demons. Run through first teleporter, Chain the first room. Rest at the next teleporter, Then chain next room.

Mobs that are dangerous and deadly or near dangerous/deadly enemies aren't XP'd off of because people don't WANT that danger or that experience. When they add Truesight mobs and level capped areas where mobs are 'oh shit' dangerous, People complain [lolCoP]

Have you explored the depths of the Truesight part of Mamook? Did you enjoy Promyvion Vazhl? Would you accept an XP party that said "we feel like living dangerously, so we're not fighting crabs, We're gonna XP in an area that most people would never consider going off of mobs that are really hard for their level and have viscious TP moves."

If you want to find these places, Go for it. Take the time. Get a lv50s party to xP off of Shadows in Fei'Yin. You can't say it isn't there just because you haven't looked for it.


The "problem," if you want to call it that, really is that everything has been demystified. There is no "Woahmigawd" enemies because we know everything about them. There WAS a time when Behemoth was up for days at a time. Nidhogg ruled the Aery. And when Guivre would descend on Gilsellers and XP parties for days. Now we set our clocks to spawn windows, And laugh when people take more than 30 minutes to kill a Fafnir. And call a GM if they hold it for more than 50.