Fresh Server.. Would you play?

[Priran]

lmfao, arguing that botting isn't cheating

that's raising the bar on lulz




It's cheating. Just like Windower plugins are cheating. Justifying it with the fact that Kings camps are ridiculous doesn't change that. That either is accepted doesn't change the fact that it's cheating. You're playing on an uneven field with people who decide that they're going to abide by the rules.

[Krandor]

Not gonna defend it but who honestly gives a shit, I would imagine alot of the people bitching in this thread don't even actively camp kings.

[Quizno]

It's cheating. Just like Windower plugins are cheating.

And there you have it.

Edit: I just noticed that he only applied cheating to windower plugins. You fucking knob....any 3rd party program is cheating...that does include windower itself.

Edit#2: While you are at it, you can add http://www.ffxiah.com to the list of cheating. If you have ever looked at the website you've cheated. The thing is...who cares? I know I sure as hell don't.

May as well have an open confession box right there.

I was in his LS. I have the same bot that everyone else has. I don't bother using it because I'm lazy.

I do however use windower, and I wouldn't play the game without it.

[Priran]

It's cheating. Just like Windower plugins are cheating.

And there you have it.

There you have what? Was that supposed to be some kind of clever attack on my credibilty?

I use windower, and I'd probably bot if it wasn't made abundantly clear by a certain GM that I'm one offense from a permaban.

The difference is, I'm not so socially inept that I resort to ridiculous me-tooism, justifying cheating as "what everyone else does".

You cheat? Fine, no problem. You're cheating, but then you go and say you're not because a majority of people do the same? Then you become a fucking joke of a player.

[Popeh]

I'm sorry, but in my personal opinon if you have a BOT on your system, you at some point or another intended/intend to use it.

You don't just download a cheat tool because it makes your hard drive smell of flowers!

[Ryany]

Two Words.......HELL NO!

I think I was at 93 days playtime when I hit 75 on my first job. I don't think I would be willing to start over on anything that would take less than 15-20 days playtime. In the defense of FFXI, that number was likely inflated due to there not being many high level NAs to party with at that time and I did have a 59 warrior too.

On a side note, I actually have respect for people that admit to botting when there are so many people in denial about it.

[Sixtail]

I sold my char and I have to say in a way I regret it.
I was thinking... Why doesn't SE do something similar to Wow?
I bet if they released a fresh new server without transfers to it.. that would be fucking fun
I would so start over and it would basically be a race to first.. 75.. first hnmls..
Even the old content we are tired of doing at the moment would be fun this way.. atleast I think so
Anyone else wishes SE did this?

Fuck no. Weren't the new servers they added at the launch of COP enough of a clusterfuck?

[Sixtail]

On a side note, I actually have respect for people that admit to botting when there are so many people in denial about it.

I'd respect them more if they had been 'open' before the great MPK nerf.

[nagchampa]

Id start again, but I wonder how long it would be before the Gilsellers found out about the new server and immediately move to monopolize everything.

So I guess it be a race against GS to endgame.



Just cuz everyone bots doesnt make it right. Its still cheating. Windower, meh. Im not to keen on it but mine doesnt allow me to quickly claim things or give me any other advantage, other than showin peoples tp and mob percentage.


However, its against the ToS so ima cheater too :[

[Carbon]

My personal favorite is when they say "Everyone bots, so it's okay." Then, they turn around and bash all the RMTers lol.... Everyone RMTs, does that make it okay?

(Don't even try to twist this around, btw, you know who you assholes are.)

[CubsWoo]

They did that already. It was called the Xbox 360 beta test and, from all accounts, it sucked. Do you REALLY want to be on a server where everyone is flooding the newbie zones for the first weeks/months, where nobody can craft decent items or food and your best source of income is quests and NPCing shit?

best times in FFXI were the first weeks of playing it (from day 1 of NA release)

There's a difference between doing a fresh install of a game you've never played with a hundred things to do in your starting town vs. players who have been grinding for 3+ years suddenly starting over in a world where quite a few jobs are basically screwed (no crafters for arrows/bullets, or ninja tools, or any +1 gear of any kind) and absolutely no economy (iirc, crystals were all at ~200/stack and Silk Thread/etc were worth more turning in to the NPCs than sold on the AH during the beta) and you have a whole bunch of people who are used to being decked out in the best shit available forced to grind the first 30/40+ levels in vendor gear with an occasional NM drop for those who go out and camp them. No fast transit via airship or chocobo for awhile, no teleports for longer, and all that stuff you take for granted as just BEING there on the AH (powders, oils) simply won't due to both noone making them and noone having the money to buy what they're selling.

Food would be sparse (don't expect Sushi of any form for at least a few months) and would anyone really enjoy trying to outpull half the server for basic things like SJ items or Kazham keys? I guess if you have a hardon for BST things might not be so bad but otherwise I don't see what the point would be.

[DeadLegend]

I wouldn't mind getting a level 1 copy of every job you hit 75 on. Like in ff7, when you master a materia you get a fresh new level 1 version of it. Well if you like a job enough to go to 75 you might want to level it again <.< so a level 1 version with capped skills and merits from having it at 75 would be killer, but no I wouldn't want to play on a new server.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

They did that already. It was called the Xbox 360 beta test and, from all accounts, it sucked. Do you REALLY want to be on a server where everyone is flooding the newbie zones for the first weeks/months, where nobody can craft decent items or food and your best source of income is quests and NPCing shit?

best times in FFXI were the first weeks of playing it (from day 1 of NA release)

There's a difference between doing a fresh install of a game you've never played with a hundred things to do in your starting town vs. players who have been grinding for 3+ years suddenly starting over in a world where quite a few jobs are basically screwed (no crafters for arrows/bullets, or ninja tools, or any +1 gear of any kind) and absolutely no economy (iirc, crystals were all at ~200/stack and Silk Thread/etc were worth more turning in to the NPCs than sold on the AH during the beta) and you have a whole bunch of people who are used to being decked out in the best shit available forced to grind the first 30/40+ levels in vendor gear with an occasional NM drop for those who go out and camp them. No fast transit via airship or chocobo for awhile, no teleports for longer, and all that stuff you take for granted as just BEING there on the AH (powders, oils) simply won't due to both noone making them and noone having the money to buy what they're selling.

Food would be sparse (don't expect Sushi of any form for at least a few months) and would anyone really enjoy trying to outpull half the server for basic things like SJ items or Kazham keys? I guess if you have a hardon for BST things might not be so bad but otherwise I don't see what the point would be.

Yep. It would be a completely different game.

[shinobi_tabi]

starting over is alot of work and theres some stuff you just do not want to have to go through again... ever...but..
It would of been cool if ffxi was originally an universal release and the freaking jp's didn't have months-year advantage over everyone else, not like it is thier fault but SE is definately bias company in that japan > you in terms of release dates
Of course they could just not release games outside of japan, on the other hand.

I think it would be really cool if servers where regionally locked, then they wouldn't have to of changed how monsters spawn with delay... because i am getting sick of not getting claim on stuff because i am too fast, or because delay isn't as long as you'd think it would be the one time you'd think it would be longer then the rest.

Reward for being fast to claim a pop NM is watching someone who was either really fucking slow or a bot get it... TY YES !!!

[Stilgar]

Fuck no, no way in hell would I start this game over.

I do think that cheating pariahs should, though. That way, in the end when we're all regretting all the time we spent in front of our consoles and computers playing MMOs, those people will be in twice as bad shape. :D

[Takeno]

My personal favorite is when they say "Everyone bots, so it's okay." Then, they turn around and bash all the RMTers lol.... Everyone RMTs, does that make it okay?

(Don't even try to twist this around, btw, you know who you assholes are.)

Nothing you say will stop a botter from botting. why do you even bother?

[BRP]

Maybe if they made it so gil doesn't decide how good your armor is, but how much stuff you do and how good you are at it. EFs and Garrison should give more stuff than NMs. I see no advantage in starting over. However, a private server sounds fun.

The game reseting every 6 months is absolutely fucking stupid. Dumbest fucking idea I ever heard. Its even dumber than the guy who thought magic giving 1 TP per 10 damage was a good idea. Why the fuck would anyone but retards play in a game that will not matter at all in 6 months? I can't even scale how stupid that is. All that gear you worked for? gone. The furniture arrangement you wanted? gone. Level 100 craft? gone(and almost impossible to begin with in the first 6 months). Quest progress? gone. Rank progress? gone. Ever wanted to be rank 10 in all nations? Pointless now that its striped away. Everyone would have to grind to 75 asap, only to lose it again. Anyone who only plays this game casually would get nowhere ever. Really great fucking idea. Max was it who said it? Good job, you created a concept that would be so bad, a MMORPG made by you would fucking end within 1 year. Every other MMORPG would feel better because it wasn't that one.

Lets not forget its FFXI. One of THE main highlights of FFXI, one of the few things that save it from its poor end-game, is the progression you can do on different levels. If you like quests, monster titles, assault rank, mission rank, fellowship, chocobo breeding, ect ect ect.

Man, thats just fucking stupid. Stop talking.

[Celeras]

Maybe if they made it so gil doesn't decide how good your armor is, but how much stuff you do and how good you are at it. EFs and Garrison should give more stuff than NMs. I see no advantage in starting over. However, a private server sounds fun.

The game reseting every 6 months is absolutely fucking stupid. Dumbest fucking idea I ever heard. Its even dumber than the guy who thought magic giving 1 TP per 10 damage was a good idea. Why the fuck would anyone but retards play in a game that will not matter at all in 6 months? I can't even scale how stupid that is. All that gear you worked for? gone. The furniture arrangement you wanted? gone. Level 100 craft? gone(and almost impossible to begin with in the first 6 months). Quest progress? gone. Rank progress? gone. Ever wanted to be rank 10 in all nations? Pointless now that its striped away. Everyone would have to grind to 75 asap, only to lose it again. Anyone who only plays this game casually would get nowhere ever. Really great fucking idea. Max was it who said it? Good job, you created a concept that would be so bad, a MMORPG made by you would fucking end within 1 year. Every other MMORPG would feel better because it wasn't that one.

Lets not forget its FFXI. One of THE main highlights of FFXI, one of the few things that save it from its poor end-game, is the progression you can do on different levels. If you like quests, monster titles, assault rank, mission rank, fellowship, chocobo breeding, ect ect ect.

Man, thats just fucking stupid. Stop talking.

But youll play on a private server, in which your progress is meaningless and in now way affects your main character? Ironic.

Some people do play for fun, you know.

[Awoir]

Maybe if they made it so gil doesn't decide how good your armor is, but how much stuff you do and how good you are at it. EFs and Garrison should give more stuff than NMs. I see no advantage in starting over. However, a private server sounds fun.

The game reseting every 6 months is absolutely fucking stupid. Dumbest fucking idea I ever heard. Its even dumber than the guy who thought magic giving 1 TP per 10 damage was a good idea. Why the fuck would anyone but retards play in a game that will not matter at all in 6 months? I can't even scale how stupid that is. All that gear you worked for? gone. The furniture arrangement you wanted? gone. Level 100 craft? gone(and almost impossible to begin with in the first 6 months). Quest progress? gone. Rank progress? gone. Ever wanted to be rank 10 in all nations? Pointless now that its striped away. Everyone would have to grind to 75 asap, only to lose it again. Anyone who only plays this game casually would get nowhere ever. Really great fucking idea. Max was it who said it? Good job, you created a concept that would be so bad, a MMORPG made by you would fucking end within 1 year. Every other MMORPG would feel better because it wasn't that one.

Lets not forget its FFXI. One of THE main highlights of FFXI, one of the few things that save it from its poor end-game, is the progression you can do on different levels. If you like quests, monster titles, assault rank, mission rank, fellowship, chocobo breeding, ect ect ect.

Man, thats just fucking stupid. Stop talking.

But youll play on a private server, in which your progress is meaningless and in now way affects your main character? Ironic.

Some people do play for fun, you know.

Except progression isn't meaningless. He would play with select people still, and it wouldn't be reset. He could get better armor with those select people, kill bigger mobs, and you know, take his time doing it if he wants.

[Viq]

CoP missions = not starting over.