Fresh Server.. Would you play?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Some parts seem good but in actuallity they need to be added to the normal game, like buffed exp and renewed effort on Conquest, instanced exp. Some people may be into this stuff but I actually like seeing the fruits of my efforts over the last year and a half that I have played.

So by doing this you have made about 95% of the end game material pointless in doing so, because we all kill Fafhogg for the challenge....

The whole point of FFXI is to show off and boost one's own ego by having as many items as possible that the other people around you do not have.

Reimagine the game. That's what this is doing, completely changing the premise (for a few servers). Yes it destroys endgame for those servers (making this board an awful place to post the idea, I know) but instead you get real competition. You might not have been killing fafhogg for the challenge but in this system killing him for the challenge is a viable thing. The reasons you played are not the reasons you would play this, it would be different. Get your head out of the 'FFXI is about epeen thing' and think about something different.

[Zalius]

Some parts seem good but in actuallity they need to be added to the normal game, like buffed exp and renewed effort on Conquest, instanced exp. Some people may be into this stuff but I actually like seeing the fruits of my efforts over the last year and a half that I have played.

So by doing this you have made about 95% of the end game material pointless in doing so, because we all kill Fafhogg for the challenge....

The whole point of FFXI is to show off and boost one's own ego by having as many items as possible that the other people around you do not have.

Reimagine the game. That's what this is doing, completely changing the premise (for a few servers). Yes it destroys endgame for those servers (making this board an awful place to post the idea, I know) but instead you get real competition. You might not have been killing fafhogg for the challenge but in this system killing him for the challenge is a viable thing. The reasons you played are not the reasons you would play this, it would be different. Get your head out of the 'FFXI is about epeen thing' and think about something different.

ffxi is irc with epeen.

[½pint]

My personal favorite is when they say "Everyone bots, so it's okay." Then, they turn around and bash all the RMTers lol.... Everyone RMTs, does that make it okay?

(Don't even try to twist this around, btw, you know who you assholes are.)

So let me get this straight....you actually care if people buy gil? You care if a few starving chinese 18-30 year olds do this for a living?

Why do you care? Because you suddenly can't get an Ulli stone?

You cheat? Fine, no problem. You're cheating, but then you go and say you're not because a majority of people do the same? Then you become a fucking joke of a player.

did you even read my entire post or did you blow your wad the second you read what you wanted to hear?

I'm sorry, but in my personal opinon if you have a BOT on your system, you at some point or another intended/intend to use it.

You don't just download a cheat tool because it makes your hard drive smell of flowers!

I had it on my hard drive because I think flee hacking is the funnest thing the game has ever introduced =)

If I could flee hack without being permabanned I sure as hell would!

You get my vote. Quizno's is the shit.

[Heian]

Some parts seem good but in actuallity they need to be added to the normal game, like buffed exp and renewed effort on Conquest, instanced exp. Some people may be into this stuff but I actually like seeing the fruits of my efforts over the last year and a half that I have played.

So by doing this you have made about 95% of the end game material pointless in doing so, because we all kill Fafhogg for the challenge....

The whole point of FFXI is to show off and boost one's own ego by having as many items as possible that the other people around you do not have.

Reimagine the game. That's what this is doing, completely changing the premise (for a few servers). Yes it destroys endgame for those servers (making this board an awful place to post the idea, I know) but instead you get real competition. You might not have been killing fafhogg for the challenge but in this system killing him for the challenge is a viable thing. The reasons you played are not the reasons you would play this, it would be different. Get your head out of the 'FFXI is about epeen thing' and think about something different.

ffxi is irc with epeen.

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[shinobi_tabi]

stupidest idea ever, some people do not have that much time to play to do everything again let alone do it first....
so instead of the game being a skill competition you want to turn it into who is a bigger loser and has more time to play videos all day?

[Zalius]

Some parts seem good but in actuallity they need to be added to the normal game, like buffed exp and renewed effort on Conquest, instanced exp. Some people may be into this stuff but I actually like seeing the fruits of my efforts over the last year and a half that I have played.

So by doing this you have made about 95% of the end game material pointless in doing so, because we all kill Fafhogg for the challenge....

The whole point of FFXI is to show off and boost one's own ego by having as many items as possible that the other people around you do not have.

Reimagine the game. That's what this is doing, completely changing the premise (for a few servers). Yes it destroys endgame for those servers (making this board an awful place to post the idea, I know) but instead you get real competition. You might not have been killing fafhogg for the challenge but in this system killing him for the challenge is a viable thing. The reasons you played are not the reasons you would play this, it would be different. Get your head out of the 'FFXI is about epeen thing' and think about something different.

ffxi is irc with epeen.

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you have no idea how long i have been waiting for this

thank you, sir

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

stupidest idea ever, some people do not have that much time to play to do everything again let alone do it first....
so instead of the game being a skill competition you want to turn it into who is a bigger loser and has more time to play videos all day?

Um... This game is currently a skill competition? Its currently a how much time can you spend game, just lacks focus. You can always balance it and limit time allowed to be played on the server (say, over 4h a day and you get no exp until the next day.) This is turning a non-competitive game into a competitive one. You don't complain that the people who play Counterstrike 10 hours a day are better than you. This changes the game from a grind and the only knowledge you need is knowledge about how to be high level into a much deeper game. You can still play it as a irc with epeen if you want. You also might like the economy more suited for lower level characters that is brought by this style, you might actually *gasp* enjoy being lower level.

Also instead of a server reset it could be like a 6 month expiration on characters, would have the same effect but would make people have a greater variety of levels.

[Krandor]

It could be a decent idea but the way in which this game bottlenecks things (subjob items, Genkais, AF quests), would make dealing with mass crowds a complete pain in the ass. Alot of the key ways in with the game puts these barriers up would likely need to be changed.

[shinobi_tabi]

no it's not a skill competition right now or even any competition , unless your one of those got-to-have-the-shiny-epen-items-persons.
what i got out of what you said was you wanted to turn the game into, quote, "real competition" or some nonsense. the games about fun. mmo makes it fun. progressing through the game makes it fun. you want to reset servers every 6months and live in valkurm dunes? be my guest but you might as well make that offline because i won't be playing it

[anoush]

[shinobi_tabi]

don't roll your eyes at me
do post somthing that contributes to the discussion... somewhat
or derail
just not the eyes....

[Devek]

With a 6 month reset.. you'd never see jobs like Dragoon ever again..

Mysticmaker would be the new Nidhogg..

Take a month long break and you might as well take a 6 month break.

It still wouldn't be so much about "skill" as it would favor unemployed losers who live with/off their mommy and have all day to play.

[inafume]

It still wouldn't be so much about "skill" as it would favor unemployed losers who live with/off their mommy and have all day to play.

The game does a pretty good job of this already.

[|BBT|Knowledge]

Starting over would be stupid, an all new ffxi account? ew.

[Zarathustra]

It would be interesting... you could actually plan everything out ahead of time if you have enough people [on a ls scale]. Whoever has the best flow chart and division of labor wins. Would be alot like those kingdom/civilization type games (Age of Empires). Anybody whos familiar with AOE knows what I mean by those people who always manage to "castle" after like 20minutes... cuz they already know the MOST efficient way to do everything (in the old ones anyway haven't played one in years).

Oh and I would play for a little while... RDM/BLM seems like a winner on a start over.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

With a 6 month reset.. you'd never see jobs like Dragoon ever again..

Wrong, somebody has to win the DRG leaderboard. DRG also is strong in pre-70 EXP pts and the gear is generally not to hard to get.

Mysticmaker would be the new Nidhogg..

Except nobody sane would bother camp it.

Take a month long break and you might as well take a 6 month break.

I'm trying to think of a way to alleviate this. With the characters expiring thing a freeze on the account could be possible preventing the reset.

It still wouldn't be so much about "skill" as it would favor unemployed losers who live with/off their mommy and have all day to play.

Which changes this game how? As I said, maybe introduce a limit for EXP gain. People get pissed off if you say they CAN'T play but making the time not as worthwhile makes sense to me.

Thanks for understanding Zara

Starting over would be stupid, an all new ffxi account? ew.

Wow. You regged this account AFTER you retired FFXI? What the fuck?

[CubsWoo]

I guess I still don't understand how you're solving the base problem:

The least fun/most agonizing part of this game is the grind to 75 and the 'things to do' aspect of FFXI is extremely topheavy.

So let's make the endgame stuff take at least 1/2 to 2/3rds of the time you have on the server to even be able to reach and force everyone to grind from scratch so we can have a leaderboard?

Why the fuck would anyone camp ANYTHING when the results are going to be wiped away in a month anyhow?

[BRP]

Didn't read anything in this thread after the page where I posted, but... did I fucking say progression is only gear or HNM kills? Progression in anything would be reseted. Why do any of the minor quests if you lose it all in a few months. Good luck getting anyone to do hard and rewardless things, because there is no time to anything extra because not everyone can spend every waking hour to play FFXI and will get 75 in 4-6 months. There is no point in doing anything at all. FFXI isn't about grinding, thats one of the most painful things. Merits give you the option to grind some more if you want.

FFXI has all sorts of progression and things to do. Diablo II has fucking nothing but leveling. Are you that god damn stupid?

[Sorrower]

don't roll your eyes at me
do post somthing that contributes to the discussion... somewhat
or derail
just not the eyes....

Asking for the link for the Bears on a Submarine poster work?

[anoush]

don't roll your eyes at me
do post somthing that contributes to the discussion... somewhat
or derail
just not the eyes....