/sigh, overcrowded mire

[Damen]

Anyone who merits without Echos nowadays needs to kill themselves.

And for goodness sakes, don't complain about money and echo's - go buy them from the vendor's in the cities and save yourself 10K off the AH prices.

You don't need to silena everyone, nor should anyone have to spam echos. It's a very systematic process:

1. Silena first voker.
2. (optional) Look at the mobs HP, if it's almost dead(and it should be) go to step 3. If it's not almost dead, silena whoever has hate then go next step.
3. Silena bard if he occasionally gives you ballad, if not, go to step 4
4. Rest or Haste

The silence effect wears off relatively quickly. The effect is far from being crippling. These mobs go down fast, and Deafening Amnesia is a 50/50 chance. Honestly, it's not that bad and expecting people to spam echos because you don't want to cast silena on 1 or maybe 2 people who need it (and yes not every warrior or lolmnksubnin needs it) are just lazy. It's one of the easier status removals as long as you know what's going on, who's getting hit, and how close the mob is to death. RDM wasn't meant for people with A.D.D.

Needless to say, if you cast ninjitsu or magic of any sort, you need to carry a stack of echos for emergencies regardless.

agreed i am not a Silena spam whore thank you very much >_<

Sup refresh, haste, cure, silena or anything else RDM has been branded whore. It's a part of the job, if you don't like it don't play it.

[nekoshoonen]

You don't need to silena everyone, nor should anyone have to spam echos. It's a very systematic process:

1. Silena first voker.
2. (optional) Look at the mobs HP, if it's almost dead(and it should be) go to step 3. If it's not almost dead, silena whoever has hate then go next step.
3. Silena bard if he occasionally gives you ballad, if not, go to step 4
4. Rest or Haste

Yeah and all the other /nins won't be spamming for silena requests? maybe the melee you get in your party aren't whiney little morons, mine oftne are. no i won't remove everyone's poison status 1 tick/poison will NOT kill you if you aren't the main tank. I'll toss you a regen when i have time and no i won't let you die.

I mainly play RDM/BLM. no i don't like main healing, i don't like being the first source of a status ailment remover. you want me to main heal cause i'm the only RDM around well don't go to the mire AoE poison/silence mixed with whiney bitches is a bad combo.

[Septimus]

The two proceeding posts make me glad that I leveled WAR for merits. Because of my WAR gear it is a felony offense for me to merit on RDM.

(Yay for purple pwning armor!)

[Aodh]

If you're not the tank, and you're not the puller, chances are I'm not going to silena you. If I do then no one gets haste, it's too much to run through a silena chain and haste chain and healing and refreshing. It's too much to expect any one person to do.

All that being said, meriting on WAR and bitching about being silenced FTW!

[Kimiko]

If you're not the tank, and you're not the puller, chances are I'm not going to silena you. If I do then no one gets haste, it's too much to run through a silena chain and haste chain and healing and refreshing. It's too much to expect any one person to do.

All that being said, meriting on WAR and bitching about being silenced FTW!

Oh don't forget enfeebling, and ocassional nuking.

[Plow]

If you're not the tank, and you're not the puller, chances are I'm not going to silena you. If I do then no one gets haste, it's too much to run through a silena chain and haste chain and healing and refreshing. It's too much to expect any one person to do.

All that being said, meriting on WAR and bitching about being silenced FTW!

Wtf who uses "tanks"

[TsingTao]

If you're not the tank, and you're not the puller, chances are I'm not going to silena you. If I do then no one gets haste, it's too much to run through a silena chain and haste chain and healing and refreshing. It's too much to expect any one person to do.

All that being said, meriting on WAR and bitching about being silenced FTW!

Wtf who uses "tanks"

The brunette in your sig. I see she is being reeducated though so it's all good.

[Palpatine]

Not really sure why the red mages are complaining about the difficulty of debuffing, as well as the multitude of other jobs RDM should be doing. It's your job - do it. Using silena on 2 people will not break a haste or refresh cycle, that's quite a ridiculous statement.

[Jaffar]

I had whm, rdm/WHM, brd/whm back line in mire the other day... still went through almost a stack of echos... that's unacceptable. If the mages are being worked with just rdm & brd, I don't mind.

[XaocRamuh]

You play a job that requires you to cast something one someone/thing. If you are too lazy to buy a few stacks on echo drops from the NPCs then dont play a job that requires you to cast something. Granted it is retarded that 3 mages can't Silena you within a resonable amount of time, but deal with it. You shouldn't spam drops right after Deafening Tantra anyways (unless you are down to 1 or 0 shadows or are a brd). It doesn't last very long and most likely will be gone when you need to recast.

[Lordwafik]

You shouldn't spam drops right after Deafening Tantra anyways (unless you are down to 1 or 0 shadows or are a brd).

Yesyesyesyes @ this. I dont know why melees use it right away, some of them if they have hate, i can understand, or if you are in one of those 1 mage 4 melee pt, but when there are 2 mages I wish they didnt echo themselves unless necesary >< I prefer to silena them, ah well.

[aurik]

I only use drops if I need to cast something. I'll often run around silenced after a fight, usually it wears before I need to recast shadows, or someone fits a silena into their casting cycle.

The real answer of course is only go mnk/war x3 whm brd rdm/whm to Caedarva.

[Priran]

(unless you are down to 1 or 0 shadows or are a brd). It doesn't last very long and most likely will be gone when you need to recast.

what magical mire do you live in

[Jaffar]

I certainly give mages ample opportunity to silena me & obviously don't spam echo's immediately after tantra with shadows up. I was actually the only tank/DD that needed to cast, and would think that would call for a dedicated silena partner with that backline, with me using them in a bind.

[XaocRamuh]

(unless you are down to 1 or 0 shadows or are a brd). It doesn't last very long and most likely will be gone when you need to recast.

what magical mire do you live in

The one where my shadows are up long enough for silence to wear off...? Sure I have to sometimes use drops in Mire, but its not like im going through 4 stacks in an hour. And its not like there's -just- Imps in Mire, there are 2 other mobs types there that dont use an AoE silence that can be used as filler mobs if your PT is running low on drops. Bottom line, use your head and know when to sit back and relax when you still have shadows up; no need to use a drop with 3 shadows when theres the chance he's going to silence you again.

[Priran]

(unless you are down to 1 or 0 shadows or are a brd). It doesn't last very long and most likely will be gone when you need to recast.

what magical mire do you live in

The one where my shadows are up long enough for silence to wear off...?

oh, that one.


I hear it's nice

[Tdizzle]

3 things that will almost always make your meriting experience suck (not even going to mention going to a croweded area):

1) Joining pickup pts
2) Having 4 melee (cor isn't a true melee in this case)
3) Not having a bard in the pt

[mastergara]

Mate of mine was talking about needing 2x healers in the Mire, and how it cannot work (or not ideally), but a single healer at the Mamool Staging Point can work. I even had a party layout that was 2xBRD/WHM, RDM/WHM (me), and then NIN/WAR, MNK/NIN, and WAR/NIN that worked quite well. In the interest of collecting data and mayhaps correlating it all, what are the favored setups for areas?

Maybe something laid out like:

Area/Position: Wajoom Woodlands / Mamool Ja Staging Point
Roaming: Yes/No
"Tank": PLD/NIN/Everyone has Shadows/Manaburn
Support: 2xBRD + RDM/WHM
Melee: WAR/NIN, NIN/WAR, MNK/NIN
Other Notes: Mamool Ja Stablers (or is it Bensons?) have high Evasion. Land Grav and Bards use Madrigal. Mimers need silence, as Radiant Breath can damn hurt. No need for echos. Typically Crowded, but can support a few parties. High Chains available, as mobs are on quick 5min repop.


Maybe include if there is a weapon penalty/bonus against certain mobs. I know there is the list at campsitarus.blogspot.com for a fair amount of info (good site), but that is just one wittle taru. On these boards there will be more people with varied experience (and opinions) which can help much.

~nyow~

[Tdizzle]

For all intents and purposes brd/whm can function as a backup healer just fine. 2x brd and 1 rdm is perfectly acceptable and actually the best setup in virtually every camp in the game.

[epigram]

Saw this and lol'ed.

Sup refresh, haste, cure, silena or anything else RDM has been branded whore. It's a part of the job, if you don't like it don't play it.

I wish this was true but it's not the case. I end up doing many events because RDM is needed, not because I would ever like to play the job anymore. When I exp it's usually to get a small buffer and my level back. I don't like a bunch of melee's bitching about being silenced while I'm sleeping a fly and kiting an imp to keep the chain going. If your so damn concerned about being silenced pick up some fucking drops... Gawd.