Hacked account?

[Sixtail]

I'ld bet that for the GM to actually do something the person complaining has to know them. I sincerely hope that the GM that restored the deleted cursed togi-1 got fired.

Restoring items for people is VERY dangerous for SE to do.

Every time I read about a GM jailing/suspending a crafter I'm substantially less likely to craft for anyone else.

Why should he get fired?

And really, aren't we past the point of "Omg teh GM's know him."

[aurik]

Because it's against GM policy to restore any items.

If you can't follow policy, you ought not be the police.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

...so do we want them to follow policy and do nothing or not follow it and do something?

[Sixtail]

Because it's against GM policy to restore any items.

If you can't follow policy, you ought not be the police.

GM 'policy' wavers in between GM's. if you noticed. I'd noticed Gludd and a few other GM's doing stuff when others have gone "Nuuu, lawl fu noob."

[RedFlare]

i call serious bullshit with this pic/story. if the dude in the pic had really been innocent, NO WAY he would have tossed a cursed togi -1 so quickly. he tossed that shit faster than a dealer flushes stuff down the toilet.... he probably made up some innocent story to make people feel sorry for himself, but just by his actions and tone, id say 99% chance he was in the wrong and knew it.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h6...3/togitoss.png

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h6...togitoss21.png

Basically just posting this to say that Gm can and will restore items to people.

The situation that occoured was a friend of mine was hired to craft a Togi and believed that he and the client had an understanding that if he HQ'ed he keeps it and replaces it with another synth no charge to the client. His big mistake was he felt he could trust this guy and didnt discuss it at length, so therefore he ended up HQ, buying items and crafting and mailing a NQ to the client. The guy proceeds to call GM, the above SS say the rest , and 5 min. later the client is running around with a NQ and HQ togi in his bazaar. My friend was suspended and mad as hell for a few days, but he sure got some nice screenshots out of the deal.

So back on topic, I guess a GM has the power to restore a dropped item. I'm sure something comes into play about the logs being less than 5 min. old in this case, but none the less they definately can restore a dropped item.

[Lordwafik]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...roflcopter.png

http://aotsvent.ytmnd.com/

[Gafgarionn]

I love it how everyone on here is blaming the person that got their account fucked with. It's like when someone walks through a shady back alley at night and gets mugged. Do you blame the asshole criminals, or the victim? The scenario is obviously an exaggeration, but it's the same principle. Don't place your blame on the victim, place it on the criminal.

[aurik]

...so do we want them to follow policy and do nothing or not follow it and do something?

Personally, I'd like them to be consistent first and foremost. Once they're consistent we can work out details of what they should be consistent about.

It's absolutely frustrating beyond belief that they'd do something like...suspend you for flee hacking when you're not (Ryko) when they watch gil sellers run at hyperspeed and warp around and do nothing, repeatedly.

It's absolutely frustrating beyond belief that they'd make demands that you stop holding a mob when you're involved in the battle (ie, sleeping it so that a tank can get out of weakness before continuing to fight), when they will happily watch another group back-tack adamntoise for an hour.

It's absolutely frustrating beyond belief that they'll tell my friend that there's nothing they can do about someone trade-scamming him for a few million gil, and then they will restore a cursed togi -1 for someone else.

It's absolutely frustrating beyond belief that they'll jail/suspend you for holding AV beyond a wall so you can abuse the terrain, and a few days later show up to cheer on another LS using the exact same tactic.

Above all they need to be impartial and consistent; they must follow the rules that they are being paid to uphold.

[zoobernut]

I love it how everyone on here is blaming the person that got their account fucked with. It's like when someone walks through a shady back alley at night and gets mugged. Do you blame the asshole criminals, or the victim? The scenario is obviously an exaggeration, but it's the same principle. Don't place your blame on the victim, place it on the criminal.

yes the majority of the blame lies within the criminal and the criminal should be pusnished and its not fair for the person that it happened too, but taking your example this is the reason that people avoid walking down a "shady back alley" smart people take measures to avoid situations which put them in obvious danger of something going wrong. now i am not saying it doesnt suck, people just have a tendency to have less sympathy for someone who puts them into a bad situation which common sense would tell you not to do and then complain about it when something goes wrong.

yeah it is horrible this happened and i feel bad for the person but at the same time i have to wonder why they gave out their info to someone since there are so many stories out there about this happening.

just like with the alleyway i would feel bad for the person who got mugged and blame the criminal for doing something bad but at the same time i would tell the person that maybe in the future they should not walk down "shadey back alleys"

[Ambir]

I love it how everyone on here is blaming the person that got their account fucked with. It's like when someone walks through a shady back alley at night and gets mugged. Do you blame the asshole criminals, or the victim? The scenario is obviously an exaggeration, but it's the same principle. Don't place your blame on the victim, place it on the criminal.

But if you walk down the streets of Harlem at night in a white hood, do you think the locals are going to give you cookies?

[TsingTao]

I love it how everyone on here is blaming the person that got their account fucked with. It's like when someone walks through a shady back alley at night and gets mugged. Do you blame the asshole criminals, or the victim? The scenario is obviously an exaggeration, but it's the same principle. Don't place your blame on the victim, place it on the criminal.

If someone gets mugged I blame the criminals. If someone hands their wallet and carkeys to a stranger and expects everything to be OK I don't feel a whole lot of sympathy.

People need to take responsibility for their actions. If you do something dumb knowing full well that there's a good chance you'll get screwed over and that there's nothing anyone can do to help you why on earth would you expect sympathy when the worst scenario happens?

Pretty simple really.

[Linsivi]

It's sad you can't trust people you've known 2-3 years huh. Not like it was some random person, it was someone in our own linkshell we've known for literally years. Hard, sad lesson I guess, but if you can't trust people in your own linkshell, who the fuck do you trust?

http://grimsb.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/trust.jpg

I guess :/

*edit*

So the asshole tossed all her lolPUP AF.. and you can't get it back through the Lower Jeuno quest. GM's won't reflag it.. pretty fucking stupid.

[cravygravy]

Of course GMs can restore items... they did it all day for us in Ballista Royale using back ups. I dunno how often they might back up a character, maybe only when they are brought to jail or there is a server maintenance?

[Rocl]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...roflcopter.png

http://aotsvent.ytmnd.com/

SHIZ HAS THAT ONE
and the sprinkler with ththththththththhtthh
and the ultima weapon that goes boooooooooom

but it doesnt work too well with Microsoft Micheal as opposed to Microsoft Sam

[Kyreth]

http://grimsb.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/trust.jpg

Got it in one. Even if that person is trustworthy, their method of keeping a PW safe may not be. Trust me, nobody has better incentive to keep your personal info safe than YOU.

It's a simple thing, really. Other people know account info = account is open for theft. Don't do it, or just randomly hand the password info to someone in Jeuno. It's about the same thing in the end, as this shows.

[loial]

If someone hands their wallet and carkeys to a stranger and expects everything to be OK

That is pretty much what you do when you give out your password to someone.

Honestly, I think you should only give out your password to someone if you are willing to risk losing all your achievements like this victim did OR if you know where the person lives.

[Byrd]

i call serious bullshit with this pic/story. if the dude in the pic had really been innocent, NO WAY he would have tossed a cursed togi -1 so quickly. he tossed that shit faster than a dealer flushes stuff down the toilet.... he probably made up some innocent story to make people feel sorry for himself, but just by his actions and tone, id say 99% chance he was in the wrong and knew it.

Exactly what I thought.

In the first two minutes of talking to the GM, not only does he throw away the evidence, he lies to the GM, too. "My brother threw it away." Innocent people at least try to explain the situation first. Something's fishy in Denmark.

[TsingTao]

Hard, sad lesson I guess, but if you can't trust people in your own linkshell, who the fuck do you trust?

If this were a RL group that knew each other for 2-3 years I wouldn't think that trust was misplaced. Unfortunately this isn't RL. This is a video game. People constantly do things they'd never dream of doing in RL because there are zero repurcussions.

When nothing of any consequence can happen to you in return and you're "only hurting a video game character" people tend to do shitty things. The person that would never have the balls to even teepee someone's house will feel bold enough to totally trash a video game character from the safety & security of the Internet.

When there's no way to beat the shit out of someone in retaliation trust no one.

[Tordall]

It's not like blaming the victim of a mugging. Muggings are ussually done in areas where you assume that you're safe, not in really shady areas (people in really shady areas often don't have any money to steal).

Not that any anologies are actually good, but I think this might be a better one than blaming a mugging victim:

Sharing your account info with your friends is the equivalent of leaving your wallet & cell phone sitting on the table in their dining room. They might not take stuff out of it, but it really lowers the threshold if they get mad at you, and they probably won't notice if someone that's over visiting takes it, or if someone breaks in and takes their stuff, they'll be worried about that not about your missing stuff.

[loial]

Considering that "Soandso stole my <insert item or account here>" is littered throughout nearly every FFXI-based forum... and the circumstances always involve the victim saying "Well, he/she was my friend! I thought I could trust them," one would think the lesson would have been learned at some point.

But no one likes free advice. They'd rather pay for it.