The more bush fucks up

[Sixtail]

Yes, but my point is that its not the religion its the people. The Christians have done this in the past, they just aren't doing it right now.

It's both. The wonderful peace loving religion of Islam did this in the past, do it currently and will do it in the future. They started and never stopped.

SIXTAIL IS A WITCH MAY WE BURN HIM? I don't see why you don't think Christianity, Catholicism, or even Judaism could do this in the future. They all can be interpreted violently.

They could, yes. Point is all three had their bloody rows and grew up. Why hasn't Islam yet? Why are almost all the major Islam players still spinning the record of "Kill the Jews, Kill the unbelievers, blow yourself up and get yur virgins here!"

[Eternus]

Before Britian owned the territory who did? I know Muslims were in control of it after the Roman Empire fell apart. Supposedly during this time the Temple of Solomon was destroyed and now there is a mosque on the Temple Mount. The fact that there are still a few Jewish structures in Jerusalem that predate any Muslim construction should tell you who was there first (even if it was 2 thousand years ago). The time of Jesus Israel was under Roman rule.. and Jews were living there. Islam didn't exist until what 300-400 AD about?

As far as the New Testament not saying anything about homosexuality...

1 Corinthians 6:9 (Whole Chapter)
[ Avoiding Sexual Sin ] Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals,

1 Timothy 1:10 (Whole Chapter)
These laws are for people who are sexually immoral, for homosexuals and slave traders, for liars and oath breakers, and for those who do anything else that contradicts the right teaching

The other stuff is in Leviticus which is Old Testament of course.

[Matricide]

The Palestinians living today are not the ones who had their land taken from them. The Isrealis today were born and raised in Isreal. Do you even know why Isreal was founded? It wasn't to grab land, it was to make a land for those Jews displaced by the holocaust, Britain just so happened to 'own' the Isreali territory and gave it to the displaced Jews.

It's been less than 60 years how can you say that? a lot happened when israel was created. some of the first terrorists were israeli aswell. i know why israel was created and i know the history in the area when it was created. if you're interested you should look into it. i dont think you know the mindset of many israelis. they dont just 'want to live in peace', there is a LOT more to it than that. again, read up, don't argue, just read up. if you've already made your mind however like genius above though, don't bother.

FOR THEIR LAND?

Idiot. They just got given most of 'their land' back last year. What did they do? They spent six months slinging rockets, killing soilders and sending bombers into Israel till Israel said "Fuck this." Don't forget the millions of dollars of buildings and shit left behind like fucking greenhouses, banks, etc they spent most of the time in between fucking with the jews tearing up. Why? Because the 'jews' built it.

you couldn't be any more ignorant. not going to waste my time responding to this trash.

[Sixtail]

The Palestinians living today are not the ones who had their land taken from them. The Isrealis today were born and raised in Isreal. Do you even know why Isreal was founded? It wasn't to grab land, it was to make a land for those Jews displaced by the holocaust, Britain just so happened to 'own' the Isreali territory and gave it to the displaced Jews.

It's been less than 60 years how can you say that? a lot happened when israel was created. some of the first terrorists were israeli aswell. i know why israel was created and i know the history in the area when it was created. if you're interested you should look into it. i dont think you know the mindset of many israelis. they dont just 'want to live in peace', there is a LOT more to it than that. again, read up, don't argue, just read up. if you've already made your mind however like genius above though, don't bother.

[quote:2ebbf]FOR THEIR LAND?

Idiot. They just got given most of 'their land' back last year. What did they do? They spent six months slinging rockets, killing soilders and sending bombers into Israel till Israel said "Fuck this." Don't forget the millions of dollars of buildings and shit left behind like fucking greenhouses, banks, etc they spent most of the time in between fucking with the jews tearing up. Why? Because the 'jews' built it.

you couldn't be any more ignorant. not going to waste my time responding to this trash.[/quote:2ebbf]

Of course. Because you can not shoot down hard core fact. Go Wiki it up son. Oh by the way your math is WAYYY faulty, the current day stuff started in about 1917.

Here, here's a link for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_conflict

[Eternus]

They still have Roman census results buddy and Israel was a province. Guess what, all that was living there was Jews. Mohammed wasn't around until after 300-400 AD. Pretty sure not long after that the Jews left for Europe or they were killed by the people that moved in. They sure as hell were recorded on census by the Romans.. and this was still when Romans would feed Christians to the lions.

[Enkidu]

Exodus and Deuteronomy are Old, Chronicles is New.

Both old testament btw.

Yes, but my point is that its not the religion its the people. The Christians have done this in the past, they just aren't doing it right now.

There is nothing in Christian doctrine that condoned the crusades, they just justified killing "worthless" people because they were not Christian. Again not Christian doctrine and not condoned by any teachings of Christ. The Koran on the other hand... Yeah... It's pretty much the Old Testament with a little more twist.

[Khamsin]

The Palestinians living today are not the ones who had their land taken from them. The Isrealis today were born and raised in Isreal. Do you even know why Isreal was founded? It wasn't to grab land, it was to make a land for those Jews displaced by the holocaust, Britain just so happened to 'own' the Isreali territory and gave it to the displaced Jews.

Well, at least that worked out in one grand coincidence that Britain happened to own the biblical holy land to hand over to the Israeli's so they could move back to where their ancestors came from.

[Eternus]

Yeah Chronicles is Old Testament Maxx/Joe lol..

[Unklemonkey]

It's been less than 60 years how can you say that? a lot happened when israel was created. some of the first terrorists were israeli aswell. i know why israel was created and i know the history in the area when it was created. if you're interested you should look into it. i dont think you know the mindset of many israelis. they dont just 'want to live in peace', there is a LOT more to it than that. again, read up, don't argue, just read up. if you've already made your mind however like genius above though, don't bother.

Just wondering, are you from palestine or somehow related to palestine?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Yeah Chronicles is Old Testament Maxx/Joe lol..

Weird. I didn't know that.

The Palestinians living today are not the ones who had their land taken from them. The Isrealis today were born and raised in Isreal. Do you even know why Isreal was founded? It wasn't to grab land, it was to make a land for those Jews displaced by the holocaust, Britain just so happened to 'own' the Isreali territory and gave it to the displaced Jews.

Well, at least that worked out in one grand coincidence that Britain happened to own the biblical holy land to hand over to the Israeli's so they could move back to where their ancestors came from.

More or less. Of course the irony is though britain 'owned' it, the palestinians were living there. Its a sad situation where nobody is right.

[Matricide]

It's been less than 60 years how can you say that? a lot happened when israel was created. some of the first terrorists were israeli aswell. i know why israel was created and i know the history in the area when it was created. if you're interested you should look into it. i dont think you know the mindset of many israelis. they dont just 'want to live in peace', there is a LOT more to it than that. again, read up, don't argue, just read up. if you've already made your mind however like genius above though, don't bother.

Just wondering, are you from palestine or somehow related to palestine?

how can someone be related to a country? anyway no i'm not palestinian nor muslim, but i choose to be as knowledgable as i can regarding middle-eastern conflict. i'm very much into politics though i've stopped having political discussions with people who enrage themselves over it.

it's funny that by not supporting israel it means i support terrorism or suicide bombings. i understand the conflict it doesn't mean that i agree with it. i just hate blind support for one or the other without understanding why or "recent" history. i think the israeli government is trash and so are the israelis that support them. i think palestinians have gotten too desparate and made a stupid decision like voting in hamas (though they do provide social support they're not going to help the conflict). but hell, i think our US government is trash atm. doesn't mean i support osama does it?

Anyhow, my closest friends are jewish/israeli and i am of middle-eastern descent so i look at things carefully and openly.

edit:

Of course the irony is though britain 'owned' it, the palestinians were living there. Its a sad situation where nobody is right.

correct. it's a viscious cycle.

[Unklemonkey]

It's been less than 60 years how can you say that? a lot happened when israel was created. some of the first terrorists were israeli aswell. i know why israel was created and i know the history in the area when it was created. if you're interested you should look into it. i dont think you know the mindset of many israelis. they dont just 'want to live in peace', there is a LOT more to it than that. again, read up, don't argue, just read up. if you've already made your mind however like genius above though, don't bother.

Just wondering, are you from palestine or somehow related to palestine?

how can someone be related to a country? anyway no i'm not palestinian nor muslim, but i choose to be as knowledgable as i can regarding middle-eastern conflict. i'm very much into politics though i've stopped having political discussions with people who enrage themselves over it.

People do have relatives living there even though they themselves may not have lived there, you know. Was just wondering if all of this was coming from a biased perspective or not.

[Daahan]

Look at Maxx's definition of facism as reference.

Bush smashed the two terms "Islamic" and "Facist" together because he probably thought it made him look smart.

Facism implies strict and organized governmental rule (hi2u Hitler and Nazi Germany). I fail to see how the terrorist groups are organized governments that have dictators controlling what they do. Al-Qaeda obviously falls under this description because of Bin Laden, but he is not the sole dictator of the group, just the most widely publicized. There are many other leaders in Al-Qaeda with just as much influence.

Also, he seems to (correct me if i'm wrong) hint towards the religion inself having notions of Facism. I don't want to hear people bringing up BS lies about how they heard on Fox News that Muslims get 72 Virgins in heaven for killing someone.

People pull statements and passages from the Quran all the time hinting toward the killing of people, what they usually don't include, is the purpose. The word "Jihad" is a word that is a brutally watered down and beaten dead horse. It's original definition implies war in defense of the religion (I'm in no way using this to justify terrorists, they claim Jihad but in my opinion they're just crazy, skewed bastards).

The fact of the matter is, there are some passages that are in the Bible that also suggest killing, BUT, the same thing goes for the Quran; there usually is a Biblical defense for it.

So person who is saying that "Islamic Facism" is a valid term, is it ok if we call the extremely violent Christians of the Feudal and Medieval eras "Christian Facists"?

[Eternus]

Who said coupling a governmental term and a religious affiliation was correct? Facist Buddhists is just as wrong as Facist Muslims, Fascist Christians, etc. No dictator involved and no organized government. The reason why the terrorists are so hard to track down is that they have no organized government really. They are everywhere.

[Daahan]

Who said coupling a governmental term and a religious affiliation was correct? Facist Buddhists is just as wrong as Facist Muslims, Fascist Christians, etc. No dictator involved and no organized government. The reason why the terrorists are so hard to track down is that they have no organized government really. They are everywhere.

Sixtail did on page 2, but that's me supposing that he wasn't being sarcastic. Even if he was being sarcastic, I still stand by my most because there are people who agree with Bush on the use of that statement.

[Quicklet]

I know the secret behind the TRUE 9/11 conspiracy.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...m_24s05e24.JPG

[Enkidu]

The fact of the matter is, there are some passages that are in the Bible that also suggest killing, BUT, the same thing goes for the Quran; there usually is a Biblical defense for it.

So person who is saying that "Islamic Facism" is a valid term, is it ok if we call the extremely violent Christians of the Feudal and Medieval eras "Christian Facists"?

You miss the point though... Would I call the Crusaders a fascist mindset? Yeah I would. They would kill women and children because of what their leaders told (dictated lawl) them to do. Same goes for Islam.

Perhaps if Bush said "Islamic Radical Fascists" you wouldn't have such a hard time with it? They may not have a organized government behind their actions, but they have an organized religion and many religious leaders telling them these things. Look up "Clerical Fascism".

Anyways point being that the Crusades were never justified with Christian doctrine, but rather Judaic doctrine. Nothing found in the New Testament justifies what the Crusaders did and they didn't really care because it wasn't about religion anyways, it was about power. So if you'd like to call the Crusaders "Christian Fascists" go ahead, because yeah they were Christian and pretty much fascist, yet Christianity can't be linked to their actions at all.

[Brien]

I know the secret behind the TRUE 9/11 conspiracy.

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[Daahan]

The fact of the matter is, there are some passages that are in the Bible that also suggest killing, BUT, the same thing goes for the Quran; there usually is a Biblical defense for it.

So person who is saying that "Islamic Facism" is a valid term, is it ok if we call the extremely violent Christians of the Feudal and Medieval eras "Christian Facists"?

You miss the point though... Would I call the Crusaders a fascist mindset? Yeah I would. They would kill women and children because of what their leaders told (dictated lawl) them to do. Same goes for Islam.

Perhaps if Bush said "Islamic Radical Fascists" you wouldn't have such a hard time with it? They may not have a organized government behind their actions, but they have an organized religion and many religious leaders telling them these things. Look up "Clerical Fascism".

Anyways point being that the Crusades were never justified with Christian doctrine, but rather Judaic doctrine. Nothing found in the New Testament justifies what the Crusaders did and they didn't really care because it wasn't about religion anyways, it was about power. So if you'd like to call the Crusaders "Christian Fascists" go ahead, because yeah they were Christian and pretty much fascist, yet Christianity can't be linked to their actions at all.

You basically repeated what I said. When I asked if we should call Crusaders "Christian Fascists", I was asking that question to Sixtail, who supposedly believes "Islamic Fascists" is a valid statement.

Crusaders (the Templars mainly) weren't Christain Fascists, they were Christian Radicals, much like the crazy Islamic Radicals we have today.

[GraveRobberX]

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and make an offer that they can't refuse. (That those Jews just can't refuse)
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The Inquisition (what a show)
The Inquistion (here we go)
We know you're wishin' that we'd go away.
But the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay!

"I was sitting in a temple. I was minding my own business.
I was listening to a lovely Hebrew mass.
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Is that considerate? Is that polite?
And not a tube of Preperation H in sight!"

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The Inquisition (here we go)
We know you're wishin' that we'd go away.
But the Inquisition's here and it's here to-
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