Astral Projection

[Brien]

I started my journal of dreams this afternoon. I believe that is the first step to obtaining lucid dreams, is to journal your dreams which will allow you to realize you are dreaming more often so you will be able to identify when you're dreaming whilst in the dream.

Is anyone else journaling in hopes to soon obtain lucid dreaming?

sigmon freud did...

[Skyylya]

I started my journal of dreams this afternoon. I believe that is the first step to obtaining lucid dreams, is to journal your dreams which will allow you to realize you are dreaming more often so you will be able to identify when you're dreaming whilst in the dream.

Is anyone else journaling in hopes to soon obtain lucid dreaming?

sigmon freud did...

While freud is infamous for his work on psychoanalysis and things related to oedipal complexes and such, his work in the field of dream analysis was, and in some cases still is, very relevant to the field.

[Maguspk]

Huh!?

[Skyylya]

I think that brien was trying to discredit most of what has been said by relating freud, a much discredited psychologist, into the mix.

However, while freuds work on psychoanalysis has been largely discredited due to newer research methods and results, his work on dream interpretation is still fairly relevant to the field.

[Djohn]

I thought you were talking about *this* kind of Astral Projection

Now i'm disappointed

Personally, I was hoping for something more along the lines of this:

(taken from Appendix IV: The Known Planes of Existence)
ASTRAL TRAVEL

Astral Travel is possible by various means including magic spells and psionic discipline. The Astral Plane touches only the endless Prime Material Plane and the 16 "first levels" of the Outer Planes. The Astral Plane does not touch any of the Inner Planes other than the Prime Material Plane. It is possible to move about in in or to any of the universes or to the first level of the Outer Planes by means of astral travel.

Travel on the Astral Plane can be dangerous due to the functioning or presence of monsters in or upon the plane. The psychic wind is the most dangerous, however, for it can either blow the traveller about so as to cause him or her to become lost (thus coming to some undesired world or plane or be out of touch for many days) or snap the silver cord (cf. astral spell, astral projection) and kill the individual irrevocably.

Edit: Seriously, though... I wonder who got the idea from whom. o.O

[Gares]

I lucid dream alot, it takes practice if you want to force it.

Most often you dream about the last thing you think about (consciously or subconsciously) before falling into a sleep. So what I do is sit in bed while feeling slightly drowsy and just paint mental pictures and sometimes say words aloud to compliment the situations I create for myself.

After concentrating and doing that til I fall into a sleep, it's like theres no transition from conscious to unconscious. One second you're thinking about Jenna Haze, then BAM there she is!

[Vobent]

I wouldn't exactly call these lucid dreams, but I do have dreams where I feel pain. Like, I'll fall and hit the ground and it'll hurt, or atleast how I think I should feel. Or I'll get stabbed in the gut, and it'll really really hurt. But I'm young so what do I know :D

[Djohn]

Phase 1- the red. It looks like the room is being lit by a red light, and feels like a presence (often times malevolent) is in the room. I am unable to move, and it feels like gravity is 100x stronger than usual. It generally ends with the feeling of being pushed out of my body.

As I was re-reading this, I just realized that I have experienced something similar in my own dreams. It's only happened maybe 2-3 times, but I remember it vividly.

I was asleep, and yet I could feel everything, including that my eyelids were closed. I knew my eyelids were closed and yet I was visualizing myself lying there. When I tried to move, however, I couldn't do it, no matter how hard I tried. Every part of me felt heavy, as though I was being weighed down. In reality, I was probably trapped somewhere between consciousness and a dream state. When I finally awoke, it was very sudden (i.e. heart skipping a beat).

Also:

I did some "research" (read through this site: http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.com/stages/index.shtml) once about sleep in general and I've heard it many other places that you only dream during stage 5 (REM) which usually occurs around 90-120 minutes after initially falling asleep. However the times I have those lucid-dreaming like experiences, I'll look at my alarm clock after waking up and see that I've only been asleep for no more than 30-40 minutes. So if I wasn't even in REM stage, were they really dreams?

Most of the time (when I only sleep 6ish hrs per night), I rarely dream at night. However, whenever I take a nap in the afternoon from sheer exhaustion, I almost always dream. These naps are usually shorter than 90-120 minutes, and yet they are my most frequent source of dreams, so I think that's BS. I also have a tendency to dream whenever I fall back asleep in the morning, even if I didn't dream at all during the night. >.>

and finally:

I want to do this. I've never actually controlled a dream that I can remember though. I've heard that being able to control your dreams is an indicator of your genius level. That if you can control your dreams you are intelligent, but if you can remember your dreams you are even more intelligent.

I hardly remember my dreams, let's be honest, most of us don't.
I hardly control my dreams, let's be honest, most of us don't.

I don't recall ever controlling my dreams, but I do remember some dreams depending on how vivid they are, like this particularly scary one I had last night about marrying my cousin... *shudder*

Also, I found a new quote for my siggy.

[Stilgar]

This thread reminds me of The Wheel of Time books by Robert Jordan. I'm sure some of you have read them. The characters are able to visit a dream world and control everything about it just by thinking. They can teleport, or create stuff, but often stuff happens that they don't intend, stuff in there subconcious or w/e.

[Nuriko]

I did some "research" (read through this site: http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.com/stages/index.shtml) once about sleep in general and I've heard it many other places that you only dream during stage 5 (REM) which usually occurs around 90-120 minutes after initially falling asleep. However the times I have those lucid-dreaming like experiences, I'll look at my alarm clock after waking up and see that I've only been asleep for no more than 30-40 minutes. So if I wasn't even in REM stage, were they really dreams?

Most of the time (when I only sleep 6ish hrs per night), I rarely dream at night. However, whenever I take a nap in the afternoon from sheer exhaustion, I almost always dream. These naps are usually shorter than 90-120 minutes, and yet they are my most frequent source of dreams, so I think that's BS. I also have a tendency to dream whenever I fall back asleep in the morning, even if I didn't dream at all during the night. >.>

You know, that almost describes my sleep/dream pattern perfectly. I get at most 6-7 hours of sleep during the week (sometimes less) and almost never remember dreaming. Then usually one day I'll pass out after work for an hour or two and more often then not, I'll remember having a dream (though after a short while I'll have forgotten what the dream was, but at least I do remember the fact that I had one). Then on weekends I will wake up in the morning, having not remembered dreaming again, will look at my clock, be glad I don't have to get up, fall back asleep for a couple hours and that's when I remember having a dream most often. So yeah, that webpage is probably either BS or they're talking about a standard night of uninterrupted sleep consisting of at least 8 hours or something.

Also, I found a new quote for my siggy.
[quote:1ff7e]
Lars' Lucid Dreaming FAQ wrote:
Chocolate may also give more dreams with sexual content.

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Oh, so that's why girls love chocolate so much

[Maguspk]

I wouldn't exactly call these lucid dreams, but I do have dreams where I feel pain. Like, I'll fall and hit the ground and it'll hurt, or atleast how I think I should feel. Or I'll get stabbed in the gut, and it'll really really hurt. But I'm young so what do I know :D

The only dream I've had where I actually felt sensations was a week after I moved into college:

I met some head of a cheerleading squad and she was average height, perfect body, small breasts and a nice ass, and short blonde hair. I randomly asked her if she wanted to go fuck and she agreed and we began looking for places. We did it in: the department store we met in's bathroom, her apartment, and then a fancy mcdonald's bathroom (it was luxurious for some reason). Everytime we did different positions and I felt them all vividly it was amazing. The fourth time though she stood me up and then called me and said she was busy and never called me again.

[Fhqwghads]

It was only a matter of time before sex dreams entered into the discussion...

[Brien]

I wouldn't exactly call these lucid dreams, but I do have dreams where I feel pain. Like, I'll fall and hit the ground and it'll hurt, or atleast how I think I should feel. Or I'll get stabbed in the gut, and it'll really really hurt. But I'm young so what do I know :D

The only dream I've had where I actually felt sensations was a week after I moved into college:

I met some head of a cheerleading squad and she was average height, perfect body, small breasts and a nice ass, and short blonde hair. I randomly asked her if she wanted to go fuck and she agreed and we began looking for places. We did it in: the department store we met in's bathroom, her apartment, and then a fancy mcdonald's bathroom (it was luxurious for some reason). Everytime we did different positions and I felt them all vividly it was amazing. The fourth time though she stood me up and then called me and said she was busy and never called me again.

wow dude enough detail rofl

[Skyylya]

I wouldn't exactly call these lucid dreams, but I do have dreams where I feel pain. Like, I'll fall and hit the ground and it'll hurt, or atleast how I think I should feel. Or I'll get stabbed in the gut, and it'll really really hurt. But I'm young so what do I know :D

The only dream I've had where I actually felt sensations was a week after I moved into college:

I met some head of a cheerleading squad and she was average height, perfect body, small breasts and a nice ass, and short blonde hair. I randomly asked her if she wanted to go fuck and she agreed and we began looking for places. We did it in: the department store we met in's bathroom, her apartment, and then a fancy mcdonald's bathroom (it was luxurious for some reason). Everytime we did different positions and I felt them all vividly it was amazing. The fourth time though she stood me up and then called me and said she was busy and never called me again.

Freud would have a field day with this. Subconscious desires underlined by latent fears of rejection and exhibitionist tendencies. A+

[Brien]

I wouldn't exactly call these lucid dreams, but I do have dreams where I feel pain. Like, I'll fall and hit the ground and it'll hurt, or atleast how I think I should feel. Or I'll get stabbed in the gut, and it'll really really hurt. But I'm young so what do I know :D

The only dream I've had where I actually felt sensations was a week after I moved into college:

I met some head of a cheerleading squad and she was average height, perfect body, small breasts and a nice ass, and short blonde hair. I randomly asked her if she wanted to go fuck and she agreed and we began looking for places. We did it in: the department store we met in's bathroom, her apartment, and then a fancy mcdonald's bathroom (it was luxurious for some reason). Everytime we did different positions and I felt them all vividly it was amazing. The fourth time though she stood me up and then called me and said she was busy and never called me again.

Freud would have a field day with this. Subconscious desires underlined by latent fears of rejection and exhibitionist tendencies. A+

yah alot of his work was based around sex lol

[Maguspk]

I wouldn't exactly call these lucid dreams, but I do have dreams where I feel pain. Like, I'll fall and hit the ground and it'll hurt, or atleast how I think I should feel. Or I'll get stabbed in the gut, and it'll really really hurt. But I'm young so what do I know :D

The only dream I've had where I actually felt sensations was a week after I moved into college:

I met some head of a cheerleading squad and she was average height, perfect body, small breasts and a nice ass, and short blonde hair. I randomly asked her if she wanted to go fuck and she agreed and we began looking for places. We did it in: the department store we met in's bathroom, her apartment, and then a fancy mcdonald's bathroom (it was luxurious for some reason). Everytime we did different positions and I felt them all vividly it was amazing. The fourth time though she stood me up and then called me and said she was busy and never called me again.

Freud would have a field day with this. Subconscious desires underlined by latent fears of rejection and exhibitionist tendencies. A+

Huh? That's so far off!

[Djohn]

I wouldn't exactly call these lucid dreams, but I do have dreams where I feel pain. Like, I'll fall and hit the ground and it'll hurt, or atleast how I think I should feel. Or I'll get stabbed in the gut, and it'll really really hurt. But I'm young so what do I know :D

The only dream I've had where I actually felt sensations was a week after I moved into college:

I met some head of a cheerleading squad and she was average height, perfect body, small breasts and a nice ass, and short blonde hair. I randomly asked her if she wanted to go fuck and she agreed and we began looking for places. We did it in: the department store we met in's bathroom, her apartment, and then a fancy mcdonald's bathroom (it was luxurious for some reason). Everytime we did different positions and I felt them all vividly it was amazing. The fourth time though she stood me up and then called me and said she was busy and never called me again.

Freud would have a field day with this. Subconscious desires underlined by latent fears of rejection and exhibitionist tendencies. A+

Or maybe he just ate too much chocolate before bed. :wink: