Update 9/20/2006

[layoneil]

Limbus isn't all gold and puppies. First, most AF+1 sucks. Just like most AF sucks. For each set there's probably one or two nice pieces, but that's it. And you give up your npc storage option for the pieces you upgrade at the very least, and all the rest as well unless you do pain-in-the-ass AF requests. Second, there's practically nothing worth buying with Ancient coins after Brutal Earring. Third, Homan and Nashira are not what they could have been.

That said, I do like the system of collecting currency and then selecting your own reward with it. Much better than the 'be lucky as fuck' system Dynamis has.

you are retarded.

1) most AF+1 pieces do suck but the ones that don't are really nice and a lot of them are really good for the slot BRD Pants, DRK Hands, NIN Hands, SAM Hands, SMN Feet. one piece per job is a lot in the scope of the current game.

2) if you were smart you can re-quest the one piece you want BEFORE you upgrade it while your entire original AF is still stored on the NPC.

3) 30 MP Earring even without the fast cast is really nice for the slot. 5 Skill Earring for BRD how many other magic skills has that. best solo backpiece for pretty much any job in the game.

4) best SMN hands piece in certain situations, best BLM feet piece in certain situations, best RDM legs piece in certain situations, best TP pieces for multiple slots and multiple jobs, Haste & Enmity on the same slot at the same time for PLD/NIN. Homam and Nashira are fine as it is, "not what they could have been" items come from lolHydra.

[Seebo]

Limbus isn't all gold and puppies. First, most AF+1 sucks. Just like most AF sucks. For each set there's probably one or two nice pieces, but that's it. And you give up your npc storage option for the pieces you upgrade at the very least, and all the rest as well unless you do pain-in-the-ass AF requests. Second, there's practically nothing worth buying with Ancient coins after Brutal Earring. Third, Homan and Nashira are not what they could have been.

That said, I do like the system of collecting currency and then selecting your own reward with it. Much better than the 'be lucky as fuck' system Dynamis has.

you are retarded.

1) most AF+1 pieces do suck but the ones that don't are really nice and a lot of them are really good for the slot BRD Pants, DRK Hands, NIN Hands, SAM Hands, SMN Feet. one piece per job is a lot in the scope of the current game.

2) if you were smart you can re-quest the one piece you want BEFORE you upgrade it while your entire original AF is still stored on the NPC.

3) 30 MP Earring even without the fast cast is really nice for the slot. 5 Skill Earring for BRD how many other magic skills has that. best solo backpiece for pretty much any job in the game.

4) best SMN hands piece in certain situations, best BLM feet piece in certain situations, best RDM legs piece in certain situations, best TP pieces for multiple slots and multiple jobs, Haste & Enmity on the same slot at the same time for PLD/NIN. Homam and Nashira are fine as it is, "not what they could have been" items come from lolHydra.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...inThePrize.jpg

[Not Kuno]

Limbus isn't all gold and puppies. First, most AF+1 sucks. Just like most AF sucks. For each set there's probably one or two nice pieces, but that's it. And you give up your npc storage option for the pieces you upgrade at the very least, and all the rest as well unless you do pain-in-the-ass AF requests. Second, there's practically nothing worth buying with Ancient coins after Brutal Earring. Third, Homan and Nashira are not what they could have been.

That said, I do like the system of collecting currency and then selecting your own reward with it. Much better than the 'be lucky as fuck' system Dynamis has.

you are retarded.

1) most AF+1 pieces do suck but the ones that don't are really nice and a lot of them are really good for the slot BRD Pants, DRK Hands, NIN Hands, SAM Hands, SMN Feet. one piece per job is a lot in the scope of the current game.

2) if you were smart you can re-quest the one piece you want BEFORE you upgrade it while your entire original AF is still stored on the NPC.

3) 30 MP Earring even without the fast cast is really nice for the slot. 5 Skill Earring for BRD how many other magic skills has that. best solo backpiece for pretty much any job in the game.

4) best SMN hands piece in certain situations, best BLM feet piece in certain situations, best RDM legs piece in certain situations, best TP pieces for multiple slots and multiple jobs, Haste & Enmity on the same slot at the same time for PLD/NIN. Homam and Nashira are fine as it is, "not what they could have been" items come from lolHydra.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...inThePrize.jpg

I hope you like getting banned, LOL.

[Septimus]

Limbus isn't all gold and puppies.

Third, Homan and Nashira are not what they could have been.

4) best SMN hands piece in certain situations, best BLM feet piece in certain situations, best RDM legs piece in certain situations, best TP pieces for multiple slots and multiple jobs, Haste & Enmity on the same slot at the same time for PLD/NIN. Homam and Nashira are fine as it is, "not what they could have been" items come from lolHydra.

I have to agree with him on this one, Nashira is pretty much garbage. (At least from a Red Mage's perspective.) There is no situation where Nashira legs are going to be the best option. When you get a RDM with merits and decent gear (torque, earring, AF body, HQ staves), 5 enfeebling skill is negligible on anything that habitually resists you. (Shinjin in particular, Jailers are 100% immune to most enfeebles.) Compare Nashira legs to the 8 MND& INT that you get on Mahatma Slops, you are going to lose out on potency for either diminishing returns on things that you can easily enfeeble or waste potential potency on things that the skill isn't going to help with because it is a craps shoot to begin with.

With that said, I am still signed up to get the legs because I am a total whore who wants a high number for screenshots. The problem with Nashira is the same problem with Wise gear; the boosts just aren't enough for it to be worthwhile. (10 skill on each piece with 7 MAcc instead of the 5 skill and 2-5 MAcc that is on it now. But that still wouldn't be enough to let me silence Suzaku on demand.)

[NynJa]

2) if you were smart you can re-quest the one piece you want BEFORE you upgrade it while your entire original AF is still stored on the NPC.

May I ask how to do this ??

I have both items for brd AF+1, and my brd AF rots in armor storer. To my knowledge, I would need to take it out of storage, upgrade one piece, and then toss the other 4 pieces and restart from scratch, just to be able to save myself 5 inventory slots.



Unless I misunderstood what you said completely.

[Septimus]

2) if you were smart you can re-quest the one piece you want BEFORE you upgrade it while your entire original AF is still stored on the NPC.

May I ask how to do this ??

I have both items for brd AF+1, and my brd AF rots in armor storer. To my knowledge, I would need to take it out of storage, upgrade one piece, and then toss the other 4 pieces and restart from scratch, just to be able to save myself 5 inventory slots.



Unless I misunderstood what you said completely.

When I started upgrading RDM AF, I restarted the quests, threw away the sword, did the next quest and put my AF in storage when I claimed the boots then threw them away. I did the fights for the hat and put my AF in storage before I got the new one in Northern Sandy- traded the stuff to the wookie then got my AF out of storage. Same with the body, I farmed a key, then when it was time to turn the body in, I put AF in storage and opened the coffer in Oztroja, traded her the junk and got my AF back out. I just need the pants (have the key already) and I can keep my original AF in storage unless I need to do level capped crap.

[layoneil]

my knowledge, I would need to take it out of storage, upgrade one piece, and then toss the other 4 pieces and restart from scratch

you don't have to take it out of storage at all, you can restart your AF quests with the Claim Slip Key Item.

the only thing you have to toss is the Paper Knife. the stuff you have to repeat would be for the Knife and whichever pieces you want to upgrade. this doesn't work so well when the only piece you want comes from the 3rd quest (like SAM Helm), but it works great for any other piece.

for BRD if you're upgrading pants, it's AF1 > start AF2 quest (don't need to finish) > get Oz coffer > done.

or if you're doing gloves, AF1 > start AF2 > do Gloves Quest > done.

if you're doing the body though, you'll need to do AF1 > AF2 > AF3, and toss the feet if you ever want to take out your old set.

[Thufir]

While redoing the AF quests you dont have to actually toss the AF piece until you get to the CS where you obtain it. When redoing the BLM boots I got the "Come back after sorting your inventory" message because i had forgotten to toss the boots earlier. Dump, talk, new boots!

For Nynja, you could do the quests and tossing AF until you're up to the one you're about to upgrade. That way you're 1 CS away once you've actually traded in for your AF+1. This way you're never stuck with 4/5 of AF set and can still storage it btween quest runs.

[NynJa]

I wasnt aware you could request AF while you have the stuff in storage...

thats cool then :D

[Kaylia]

I have to agree with him on this one, Nashira is pretty much garbage. (At least from a Red Mage's perspective.) There is no situation where Nashira legs are going to be the best option. When you get a RDM with merits and decent gear (torque, earring, AF body, HQ staves), 5 enfeebling skill is negligible on anything that habitually resists you. (Shinjin in particular, Jailers are 100% immune to most enfeebles.) Compare Nashira legs to the 8 MND& INT that you get on Mahatma Slops, you are going to lose out on potency for either diminishing returns on things that you can easily enfeeble or waste potential potency on things that the skill isn't going to help with because it is a craps shoot to begin with.

It might be true for RDM, but the set still has its use, as opposed to the already mentioned hydra set, or amir. 3/5 pieces seem to be a good average when you compare it to every other set implemented in this game.


Feet: 5 elemental, 2 m.acc. It's arguably the best nuking gear versus certain HNM with high resist.

Hands: Pretty good for SMN

Body: Best drain/aspir gear ingame. Look sexy in whitegate

Pants: Useless for everyone. WHM trying to land sleep are the one who will get the most out of this.

Head: Same as above

[phirien]

Nashira legs are only good for terribly equipped/poor RDMs (cant afford hq staves/enfeebling torque/earring etc).
most useful piece IMO is hands, and that's for one job only (SMN).

Body not bad as a macro piece, but to be honest most end-game mages don't have enough inventory slots to carry around loads dark magic+ gear, i know i don't.

[draxyl]

Wow, thanks layoneil...I just learned something new today. I didn't know that upgrade trick at all, really nice for bard since I usually leave 5/5 pieces in storage and I have been avoiding upgrading gloves/pants because I didnt want to store the rest of the set myself.

[FFXIFlux]

I have to agree with him on this one, Nashira is pretty much garbage. (At least from a Red Mage's perspective.) There is no situation where Nashira legs are going to be the best option.

Nashira are the best option for sleep, silence, bind and gravity. You know, 4 of the most important things RDM do?

Yes, they should be BETTER, like have 8 int/mnd/chr on them as well, or 32 or better MP or 10 elemental or something so they can at least replace mahatma or savage or duelist so I don't carry around 4 leg peices, but thats beside the fact. For a lot of the most important things RDM do, nashira is the best peice. Considering Ultima is one of the toughest fights in the game (sadly) and the requirements to getting to it are among the highest, more gil than a dynamis run, etc. etc. Nashira really SHOULD be better, but it's still the best... sometimes.

[Kaylia]

Nashira legs are only good for terribly equipped/poor RDMs (cant afford hq staves/enfeebling torque/earring etc).
most useful piece IMO is hands, and that's for one job only (SMN).

Body not bad as a macro piece, but to be honest most end-game mages don't have enough inventory slots to carry around loads dark magic+ gear, i know i don't.

As BLM, the only use for Errant is drain/aspir and resting. If you have AF1+1 body and nashira, you can get ride of your Errant (unless you have HQ for 6hmp I guess).

[DeadLegend]

As BLM, the only use for Errant is drain/aspir and resting. If you have AF1+1 body and nashira, you can get ride of your Errant (unless you have HQ for 6hmp I guess).

enmity- nuking
and stoneskin

[Kaylia]

As BLM, the only use for Errant is drain/aspir and resting. If you have AF1+1 body and nashira, you can get ride of your Errant (unless you have HQ for 6hmp I guess).

enmity- nuking
and stoneskin

Forgot stoneskin. I can live without the additional 5-10dmg it would give I guess.

Concerning nuking, landing a nuke is more important than a couple -enmity versus HNM. 10int is nice, but 5 elemental is probably better on high level HNM. Beside, if you happen to pull hate, chance is the -vit on it would negate the bonus you got on your stoneskin earlier.

Wizard Coat +1 has more -enmity if you just use it for hate decay anyway.

[Nerull]

10 MND adds 30 points to your stoneskin, actually.
That's significant enough that even though I use Nashira for dark magic and Yigit for resting, I carry around errant body when possible just for stoneskin macro. If I need other gear though, it's down the priority line.
*cue his usual rant about SE really really needing to increase inventory space*

[DeadLegend]

I meant enmity- nuking on something where you're gonna land the nuke with your skill as is(like anything under nidhogg, or a nidhogg with threnodies). If I'm gonna land the nuke I'll drop the unnecesary skill+5 for enmity-3, especially since I never had A hands lol so I was always using Igqira, or for tough stuff, AF hands. A couple enmity- can be the difference between a dead blm and a living blm, and one dead blm can change the outcome of a fight especially with low numbers, but I must say it takes most enemies a surprisingly long time to drop a mithra blm, especially when they have capped enhancing magic and some hp merits.

As mithra with /whm we can hit 100 mnd easy and as /rdm we get 98 with the same gear, that ends up being a nice stoneskin, and it involves the errant coat.

Whenever I did pull hate I never kept the errant on while I had hate. I had a macro for switching in the af coat (Vit+4, enmity-3), earth staff, and af boots for interruption- on ss/blink (as if it would help, but still).

[Kaylia]

10 MND adds 30 points to your stoneskin, actually.
That's significant enough that even though I use Nashira for dark magic and Yigit for resting, I carry around errant body when possible just for stoneskin macro. If I need other gear though, it's down the priority line.
*cue his usual rant about SE really really needing to increase inventory space*

Actually, you're right. I thought mind effect was decreasing the more you had, but it's actually the opposite. Ratio is 1:1 early, but become 1:3 after 200 dmg blocked.


If I ever get Nashira, I'm still trashing errant for sure tho. The only fight where I actually care about stoneskin is fafnir/nidhogg, but 30more dmg isn't going to change the battle outcome. In worst case, I'm just gonna drain it back.

I meant enmity- nuking on something where you're gonna land the nuke with your skill as is(like anything under nidhogg, or a nidhogg with threnodies). If I'm gonna land the nuke I'll drop the unnecesary skill+5 for enmity-3, especially since I never had A hands lol so I was always using Igqira, or for tough stuff, AF hands. A couple enmity- can be the difference between a dead blm and a living blm, and one dead blm can change the outcome of a fight especially with low numbers, but I must say it takes most enemies a surprisingly long time to drop a mithra blm, especially when they have capped enhancing magic and some hp merits.

Dunno about that, fafhogg are too easy for 3 enmity to matter for a single nuke. It's usually easier to control your enmity when your dmg input as as stable as it can be.

[DeadLegend]

I don't see what you're trying to say there.
3 Enmity (any enmity) always makes a difference. Single nuke, single cure, accumulated hate: enmity -/+ exists for a reason. Like I said, wearing the errant is something to do when you will land the nuke so your damage is going to be stable anyway, and if you're resisted you'll only do less damage, don't see how that screws your hate.

fafhogg are too easy

last time I saw nidhogg claimed by another ls they wiped twice.