Marvel Civil War

[Sho]

Holy Hell, Captain Marvel.

[Gilanth]

I stopped reading comics about 6 months ago (my local comic shop moved and i'm saving so had to try cutting corners) but to bring back Captian Marvel would be utter nonsense but then i guess we got Bucky back so i dunno kinda glad i quit if the Marvel universe is getting this bad.

In all honesty has it been a good series though? Or have MArvel simply gone to the gutter in the 6 months i been away. I kinda miss buying hulk i have every issue since 198 but even that sucked when i left off.

[Septimus]

What's wrong with Wolverine? After reading Origin and The End I think he's got some pretty interesting character development. And speaking of which, he can't die. He dies in The End at 210 years of age.

It's not so much that I hate Wolverine, I hate what they did to him. Marvel became so infatuated with bending over backwards to make the fan boys happy that they put Wolverine in too many books and pitted him against heroes and villains that would shred him. (Like the time when he was mind controlled and beat almost every superhero in New York in one issue.)

The final straw came in the DC vs. Marvel crossover. Popular vote, Wolverine beats Lobo- a character who was created as a parody of Wolverine. That was when I realized that the rabid fan boys have ruined the character and that it would be best if he was just no more.

They classify Wolverine as an alpha-level mutant, the same category as Cyclops, Apocalypse, Magneto, Professor X, Storm, etc- you know, people who can destroy city blocks when sneezing. OK, maybe he is a fighting machine, but his power itself is fairly weak- he heals, he can't open his eyes and obliterate mountains, create hurricanes on a whim, or control hundreds of people's minds while popping wheelies.

I hate the fan boys who ruined Wolverine, and by extension the character himself.

[Demosthenes]

Am I the only one who thinks Civil War is failing in comparison to Countdown To Infinite Crisis, Infinite Crisis or 52?

[Kyreth]

They classify Wolverine as an alpha-level mutant, the same category as Cyclops, Apocalypse, Magneto, Professor X, Storm, etc- you know, people who can destroy city blocks when sneezing. OK, maybe he is a fighting machine, but his power itself is fairly weak- he heals, he can't open his eyes and obliterate mountains, create hurricanes on a whim, or control hundreds of people's minds while popping wheelies.

I hate the fan boys who ruined Wolverine, and by extension the character himself.

I think they classify Wolverine in that regard for his sheer unkillableness- given sufficient boosting, Wolverine has quite literally been regenerated from a single drop of his own blood. (One of the 90's era X-Men Annuals)

He's not invulnerable or invincible, but he's fucking impossible to kill short of utter obliteration of just about all body tissue whatsoever. And thanks to the fanboys, unkillable just about period.

[Demosthenes]

Wolverine has quite literally been regenerated from a single drop of his own blood.

Lies. Wolverine is not Lobo.

[Septimus]

They classify Wolverine as an alpha-level mutant, the same category as Cyclops, Apocalypse, Magneto, Professor X, Storm, etc- you know, people who can destroy city blocks when sneezing. OK, maybe he is a fighting machine, but his power itself is fairly weak- he heals, he can't open his eyes and obliterate mountains, create hurricanes on a whim, or control hundreds of people's minds while popping wheelies.

I hate the fan boys who ruined Wolverine, and by extension the character himself.

I think they classify Wolverine in that regard for his sheer unkillableness- given sufficient boosting, Wolverine has quite literally been regenerated from a single drop of his own blood. (One of the 90's era X-Men Annuals)

He's not invulnerable or invincible, but he's fucking impossible to kill short of utter obliteration of just about all body tissue whatsoever. And thanks to the fanboys, unkillable just about period.

That is a great power, but it still doesn't put him in the Alpha category. Omega and Alpha level mutants are the ones whose powers have the potential for the most harm, barring his fighting skills and other training, Wolverine's actual mutant power is not a danger to others.

[BRP]

I believe some want to put Mr. Immortal in Omega-level because of the sheer fact that he is absolutely destined to be the last thing living and nothing can prevent that.

[Huggo]

I believe some want to put Mr. Immortal in Omega-level because of the sheer fact that he is absolutely destined to be the last thing living and nothing can prevent that.

Yeah, I think I remember hearing somewhere that pretty much immortality of any kind is one requirement for omega level.

[Septimus]

I believe some want to put Mr. Immortal in Omega-level because of the sheer fact that he is absolutely destined to be the last thing living and nothing can prevent that.

Yeah, I think I remember hearing somewhere that pretty much immortality of any kind is one requirement for omega level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-level_mutant

Pretty interesting stuff. Immortality does not make one an Omega class mutant, Cannonball and Apocalypse are both immortal but neither is Omega-level.

[Kyreth]

Wolverine has quite literally been regenerated from a single drop of his own blood.

Lies. Wolverine is not Lobo.

Uncanny X-Men Annual #11, 1987.

http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2005/12/ ... racle.html

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6...B01%3B45PM.jpg for the actual page image it happens on, image might have done bad things to page.

He rips Wolverine's pathetic little heart out! But alas! A drop of blood gets on the jewel, blows Horde away, and re-creates Wolverine! Phew, that was close! Wolverine resists the temptation to play God, and all is well - the X-Men return to earth and everyone is happy.

So yes, it's happened, and it's canon. In fact, it was the justification for the whole "Wolverine gets melted down and STILL regenerates" storyline a few years back.

[Huggo]

I believe some want to put Mr. Immortal in Omega-level because of the sheer fact that he is absolutely destined to be the last thing living and nothing can prevent that.

Yeah, I think I remember hearing somewhere that pretty much immortality of any kind is one requirement for omega level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-level_mutant

Pretty interesting stuff. Immortality does not make one an Omega class mutant, Cannonball and Apocalypse are both immortal but neither is Omega-level.

Wow, can't wait for Marvel to show Iceman at his omega level. (And if he already has been I missed it. I'm not a big X-Men reader.)

[Parshias]

Wolverine has quite literally been regenerated from a single drop of his own blood.

Lies. Wolverine is not Lobo.

Uncanny X-Men Annual #11, 1987.

http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2005/12/ ... racle.html

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6...B01%3B45PM.jpg for the actual page image it happens on, image might have done bad things to page.

He rips Wolverine's pathetic little heart out! But alas! A drop of blood gets on the jewel, blows Horde away, and re-creates Wolverine! Phew, that was close! Wolverine resists the temptation to play God, and all is well - the X-Men return to earth and everyone is happy.

So yes, it's happened, and it's canon. In fact, it was the justification for the whole "Wolverine gets melted down and STILL regenerates" storyline a few years back.

His regeneration was boosted by the crystal's power. Unfortunately, Wolverine's current writer does not have the reading comprehension necessary to notice this fact, so we now have his new super-charged healing factor.

[Krandor]

Am I the only one who thinks Civil War is failing in comparison to Countdown To Infinite Crisis, Infinite Crisis or 52?

No, I agree with you. But Civil War is still quite entertaining to me.

and @ Huggo, I believe it's basically been stated that Iceman, while having nearly immeasurable power, is unable to comprehend the scope of his power and as such can't fully access it.

[Huggo]

Am I the only one who thinks Civil War is failing in comparison to Countdown To Infinite Crisis, Infinite Crisis or 52?

No, I agree with you. But Civil War is still quite entertaining to me.

and @ Huggo, I believe it's basically been stated that Iceman, while having nearly immeasurable power, is unable to comprehend the scope of his power and as such can't fully access it.

Yeah, yet another one of those mutants who won't use his full power. All I remember is the time White Queen took over his mind and used his powers in ways he'd never be capable of.

[Imitarate]

During the introduction of Bishop, the White Queen went into a coma or some random thing after Fitzroy killed the Hellions (still an issue of much melodrama and angst for Madame Frost), and Jean Grey somehow psychically entered her mind to escape some...thing. Meanwhile, Emma Frost was hiding in Iceman's body (though where HE went I have no idea), and managed to do insane things. Not long after, Colossus' insane space-wielding tyrant-sorcerer long-lost mutant brother did some weird stuff to him, like turning him into water and crushing him and reforming him. It's all very scientific, I'm sure.

As for Wolverine, I remember exactly when I stopped caring about him or anything he does, says, or instigates. An issue of X-Statix (or maybe it was still X-Force) where he appears on the cover and actually says, ON THE COVER, "You know I'm just doing this to boost sales, right?"

I was actually very surprised to see who actually came back, today. Or should I say, disappointed? Small size for spoiler...

Captain Marvel is not back from the dead. He's been torn out of the past through some mystical space/time confluence revolving around the Negative Zone prison, 42. He is urged to not ask how he died, but does, of course. It's one of the most retarded things I've seen Marvel do, and that's including Onslaught Reborn AND Infinity Crusade.

[Kyreth]

His regeneration was boosted by the crystal's power. Unfortunately, Wolverine's current writer does not have the reading comprehension necessary to notice this fact, so we now have his new super-charged healing factor.

You called "lies". I provided the reference, and you even noted the current writer uses it as justification for Wolverine's power level. No dancing, please. There's even an interview with the whole "melting" storyline writer that specifically refers to this one issue. Blame Claremont, it's his fault.

(And I hate it too, but it's still canon as of this point, barring a writer with more sense retconning any/all of it. Come to think of it, I wonder who did the "regen from a drop of blood" thing first- Lobo or Wolverine?)

[Septimus]

I believe some want to put Mr. Immortal in Omega-level because of the sheer fact that he is absolutely destined to be the last thing living and nothing can prevent that.

Yeah, I think I remember hearing somewhere that pretty much immortality of any kind is one requirement for omega level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-level_mutant

Pretty interesting stuff. Immortality does not make one an Omega class mutant, Cannonball and Apocalypse are both immortal but neither is Omega-level.

Wow, can't wait for Marvel to show Iceman at his omega level. (And if he already has been I missed it. I'm not a big X-Men reader.)

Iceman lost control of his powers for a while back in the X-Factor days and had to wear a power dampening belt in fear that he would eventually absorb all of the heat on the planet. That's pretty omega-level to me. lol

[Huggo]

I believe some want to put Mr. Immortal in Omega-level because of the sheer fact that he is absolutely destined to be the last thing living and nothing can prevent that.

Yeah, I think I remember hearing somewhere that pretty much immortality of any kind is one requirement for omega level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-level_mutant

Pretty interesting stuff. Immortality does not make one an Omega class mutant, Cannonball and Apocalypse are both immortal but neither is Omega-level.

Wow, can't wait for Marvel to show Iceman at his omega level. (And if he already has been I missed it. I'm not a big X-Men reader.)

Iceman lost control of his powers for a while back in the X-Factor days and had to wear a power dampening belt in fear that he would eventually absorb all of the heat on the planet. That's pretty omega-level to me. lol

Ohhh yeah, that's pretty awesome. I didn't read much of X-Factor so I missed that. I'm told in the newer issues of X-Men he's able to melt himself, and refreeze somewhere else as some sort of teleportation thing. And also that if he ever gets "melted" by a heat-using villain he can recover himself.

[Demosthenes]

# 7 is out. It is trash. Fuck you marvel, fuck you.