Marvel Civil War

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Marvel Civil War in 30 seconds

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[Imitarate]

Entirely appropriate. Wish I'd read that before. The only things I enjoyed from Civil War were a few points in Thunderbolts (which I promptly dropped again when Zemo left) and Frontline, which I found very enjoyable, but a lot of people didn't like. I did think the ending segments of Frontline were horrific, comparing real tragedies and war stories to comic reality. But I liked the segments with Sally and Ben, and I did enjoy the Speedball story even if it wound up turning him into Emocutter Man.

I think it's an interesting plotpoint to have arcing the MU616, but it could have been done...better. Give it more time, spread it out across more books, or something. Honestly, it was like reading House of M again. Great start!/Omg cool!/wait...what?/Um.../oh god./What?!/ARGH!/DIE. IN A FIRE.

At least the aftermath should be vaguely entertaining.

Also, I think I was wrong; it IS mentioned in that issue of Illuminati; "Blackbolt said he was given to understand they cannot work together anymore." Which would be fine if he, say, heard it from a friend whooooo, heard it from a friend whooo err wait. You know what I mean. but Eternity told Adam Warlock that the supreme force of judgement in the MULTIVERSE made it so the gauntlet can't work together anymore. Maybe I missed the issue where the Tribunal said "Um, so, hey guys, I was thinking... the Gauntlet? yah, it's coo'. Have fun."

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I personally loved Frontline. There's all those secrets coming up through it that just are NOT being made known in Civil War. Sure, CW7 makes Tony come out smelling like a rose as the new director of SHIELD. But umm, explain all the crap we found out about you in Frontline, will ya?

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The more I read of the huge crossover things, the more I appreciate sub-continuity or off-continuity stuff. Runaways is a great series with interesting characters that has only a passing interaction with Marvel continuity -- and it uses that well. Then you have stuff like the upcoming New Avengers/Transformers mini. It's "placed" in the two continuities (the newer series'), but it obviously isn't canon, and thus has no real place in continuity. That gives writers a freer reign to do as they like without really screwing with the character, because, hey -- as soon as it's over, it didn't really happen. Wolverine turn into an evil space monster? It's okay, you'll never have to remember it occured, because it'll never matter again.

This is also why I appreciate the Ultimate line, though lately it's getting a bit too complicated. I still enjoy it, though, and I felt that, in general, even the Galactus crossovers kept the proper characterizations -- especially since the primary figure is Gen. Nick Fury, who, by the way, beats the hell out of 616 Nick Fury. He's got a very solid character design, and the Ultimate writers are used to having to share him (he's played a major role in X-Men, Spidey, FF, and Ultimates).

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I think it's an interesting plotpoint to have arcing the MU616, but it could have been done...better. Give it more time, spread it out across more books, or something. Honestly, it was like reading House of M again. Great start!/Omg cool!/wait...what?/Um.../oh god./What?!/ARGH!/DIE. IN A FIRE.

House of M makes me wish that I could impose a rule on Marvel Comics. This rule would state that Chris Clairmont and Chris Clairmont alone is the only writer allowed to write Professor Xavier and Magneto. Anyone else who tries to write those characters screws them up horribly anymore. They ruined Magneto years ago by turning him onto a mustache-twirling, black cape wearing, Jubilee tying to a railroad track for Wolverine to ride on a white horse one-dimensional cliché. And anymore, the vogue characterization of Professor X is a manipulative, deceitful, petty murderer. (Even my beloved Joss Wheadon made the Prof look like a total jerk in Astonishing.)

Seriously, why all the hate?

P.S. The more I think about it, the angrier I become at Civil War, and myself for letting Marvel sucker 7 issues out of me...

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I agree. I seriously wish I had avoided it and waited for the reviews. It's not like they aren't going to release a TPB.

The reason for the recent shift in Xavier's portrayal seems to be entirely because of his double in Ultimate X-Men. The way Whedon was doing it was MUCH more in-line with Ultimate Xavier.

I'm not a big fan of Clairemont. I wish I could say I was, but I'm just not. I don't like a lot of the things he's done (the Neo, splitting up Kitty/Piotr, almost all of X-Treme but definitely naming Rogue Anna, the entire character of Sage, and his disturbing portrayal of Talia Wagner), but I've actually been enjoying New Excalibur under his direction and...

You're right. Nobody portrays Xavier and Magneto like he does. Maybe it's because he did so much to define their characters, he just has the ability to do it right.

...but I still hate Sage.

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http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Civi ... final.html

Most notably:

So we were literally sitting for a day talking about the ending and the one we were uneasily going for was some kind of compromise where the heroes were literally stopped by the crowds they should have been saving, the public yelling at them and telling them to stop. But none of us really dug this, it felt unsatisfying. And so it was a relief when Joss walked into the room for, I sh*t you not, about ten minutes, heard the entire plot and nailed a bullseye. He said that after seven months of fighting people would want to see a winner. Breaking up the fight was a draw.

So if you hate the ending, blame Joss Wheadon.

I guess he's got a point somewhere in a tiny way. The only thing I was concerned with really was Cap's team kicking the crap out of Tony's. I'll keep on collecting Marvel comics cuz they're what I've loved since I was a kid. I'm keeping up with Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man, New Avengers, Annihilation, Nova, and Silver Surfer. To me it's all just a story. I mean, I didn't email or call Chuck Palahniuk and call him out saying he screwed up the ending to Fight Club (I don't think he did, I'm just using it as an example. I love that book.)