Future Job Changes.

[Miruka]

Although I wouldn't put it quite as harshly as Flux seems to want to, I tend to agree. SMN is extremely safe damage because it risks no one at all to do it, but it doesn't seem to be particularly heavy damage for everything I know of. (Admittedly I have a few experience holes, like Ultima.) If you can logout, you can deal more damage just as consistantly. If you can't, chances are there's a clock ticking away...

I really just don't think there's not a whole lot in the game where cycling BLMs or just melee burning it to the ground wouldn't be better, and being a token DD for that one fight where physical/magical is good isn't a good job definition especially after 75 levels of one of the worst jobs to level. If SMN didn't need to choose either supportive or offensive pacts, though, I could see some party shuffling to accomodate for that (unlike Flux), and LS that like using SMN will be even stronger for it. That's seriously a lot of flexibility.

Why are you guys arguing that SMN doesn't suck anyway? S-E might Zam these boards and take back what they said about boosting the job. =p

[Kaylia]

SMN on...

Byakko (1 SMN) :
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9819/parser1qg4.jpg

Bahamut#1 (1 SMN) :
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7199/parser2wl5.jpg

Jailer of Justice (2 SMN) :
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1176/parser3sy9.jpg

Proto-Ultima#1 (3 SMN) :
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8010/parser4ev3.jpg

Proto-Ultima#2 (2 SMN) :
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5264/parser5io9.jpg

Each fight with BRD for melee party and SkillChain (except Bahamut)
"X" can be BLM or even DRG.

No SMN is not for Wyrm/Kirin only.
Yes SMN is one of the best DD End Game.

There is a problem when rng outdamage War, and your fight shouldnt last 10min .

Hell, how did melee dealt 3k dmg over 10 min? They arent eating food, no paralyna and no brd?


SMN is one of the worst DD, but like people mentioned, the safest. It's awesome on stuff people arent fighting (lol kiting). The only NM i can think off where they can beat everyone is Jailer of Temperance.

[Kurp]

It would be hard for SE to give SMN major damage boosts and keep it hate free for the PC.

Would summoners be fine with a major DD buff, but having the PC procure the hate? I doubt it. I don't see a whole lot that can be done to boost the damage the job puts out though, while keeping it hate (and TP) free.

[Sasarai]

There is a problem when rng outdamage War, and your fight shouldnt last 10min .

Which are you talking about? For most of those RNG WILL outdamage a WAR, unless you can tell me which WAR WS gets a 5x damage mod at 100% TP. I don't see how it could even be an arguement with Byakko >.>

[Keftenk]

Did I just upgrade lolGuttler for BST circle ability?! OMG I THINK I DID /emocut What's next? Hmmm, Reward All, gives 100hp to all pets in pt?! ZOMG YES SE YES...




i feel like tomahawking SE with this Guttler here... D;

[spooky]

i think all BSTs should MPK themselfs over and over to 5 in protest. Maybe SE would do something then.

probably not though >.>

[Tomino]

Garuda damaging and tanking any Vanguard Orc NM. Charmga? lol.
Garuda eating Eagle Eye shots from those ranger vanguards. lol @ wasted 900+ dmg.
Ever tried to Release when a Behemot (KS, Limbus) is meteoring on your Garuda? lol @ wasted spell.

hate free means a lot of funny things.

[NynJa]

Garuda damaging and tanking any Vanguard Orc NM. Charmga? lol. 9 BLM's manaburning it and completely disabling Charmga ?? lolol
Garuda eating Eagle Eye shots from those ranger vanguards. lol @ wasted 900+ dmg. people without Utsusemi pull hate in dynamis ??
Ever tried to Release when a Behemot (KS, Limbus) is meteoring on your Garuda? lol @ wasted spell.The spell will actually change target, just the intended recipient is out of range

hate free means a lot of funny things.

Not really...

[epigram]

Question !!!!

On those prior ultima parses how did the monks get enough tp when they were evidently hitting for 0 the entire fight...

[Falaras]

There is a problem when rng outdamage War, and your fight shouldnt last 10min .

Outside paralyze range, strong WS, access to flashy shot, /war, no problems with accuracy. Ranger is pretty damn good on most gods.

[Aodh]

If they want to make BLM useful, Auto-refresh Trait, add debuffs to magic which affect that element WS (i.e. Thunder IV > Rampage Damage boost) and lower emnity to allow more free nuking.

As for SMN, if they're making the distinction between enhancing/damage BPs, they could change the BP delay added as a result of using one or the other. For example Earthen Ward could reset the BP timer to :45 as opposed to :60. What I think should happen is that all Damage (Physical and Elemental) Blood Pacts use TP to add damage. So you could BP and release to do damage comparable to the minimum now, but as TP increases, accuracy increases and damage increases. Either that or just reduce perp cost so it's not a complete waste to leave them out.

[Skott]

If you improve SCs, you improve BLM.

ding

everyone is all "eww blm" because SC+MB is worse damage overall than spam WS spam WS spam WS.

BLM should do subpar dot without a MB, like they do now. If MB Thundaga III did like 2000-3000 damage to an EXP mob (Adjusted for HNMs of course) then people would invite them.

http://www.cyborgcow.net/gallery/alb...8-41-37-15.jpg

[Tomino]

Nynja, are you replaying an example with another? is there any point in that? Apples are nice, but you can always eat a peach.


I can hit my BP button without even worrying if my shadows are up or not and if the avatar takes hate means a wasted 2hr for 0mp or even the loss of a shadow. i like that. sure enough, a whole alliance will survive even without a single SMN.
As for the 9 BLMs point, I just proved that a SMN can have fun together with them in bringing down those orcs. my point is not "SMN is better than anything else" but rather "SMN is versatile and i love that".


one more thing : Behemot will lose its spell, I know becuase it's how I make fun of him (or other mobs' Thundagas).

[Senoska]

If you improve SCs, you improve BLM.

ding

everyone is all "eww blm" because SC+MB is worse damage overall than spam WS spam WS spam WS.

BLM should do subpar dot without a MB, like they do now. If MB Thundaga III did like 2000-3000 damage to an EXP mob (Adjusted for HNMs of course) then people would invite them.

http://www.cyborgcow.net/gallery/alb...8-41-37-15.jpg

So what is this pic sapose to be? What does this prove? Wrong thread for an attempted E-Peen boost, gtfo.

[spooky]

If you improve SCs, you improve BLM.

ding

everyone is all "eww blm" because SC+MB is worse damage overall than spam WS spam WS spam WS.

BLM should do subpar dot without a MB, like they do now. If MB Thundaga III did like 2000-3000 damage to an EXP mob (Adjusted for HNMs of course) then people would invite them.

http://www.cyborgcow.net/gallery/alb...8-41-37-15.jpg

So what is this pic sapose to be? What does this prove? Wrong thread for an attempted E-Peen boost, gtfo.

hi, can you read? linky

[Dank]

Priran, go check this thread, and also, further back in BLM forums there is another thread kinda the same.

Here is a BLM from my server: http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6...daga1jg.th.jpg

[spooky]

people need to learn2crop ; ;

[NynJa]

I can hit my BP button without even worrying if my shadows are up or not and if the avatar takes hate means a wasted 2hr for 0mp or even the loss of a shadow. i like that. sure enough, a whole alliance will survive even without a single SMN.
As for the 9 BLMs point, I just proved that a SMN can have fun together with them in bringing down those orcs. my point is not "SMN is better than anything else" but rather "SMN is versatile and i love that".

1-about EES, by the time the summoner summons his avatar, commands it to attack the ranger, and fires the BP...the ranger should have allready 2hred. If it has not 2hred at that point, I dont see you being able to clear any starting nation... The mere fact you are trying to vouch as SMN as useful in dynamis because they can eat EES from a ranger, one of the least dangerous dynamis mobs, you are seriously grasping for straws.

2-great, and how long is it gonna take for this group of summoners to take down Streaker Buttnotch ??

[Skott]

That was not A epeen post, that was a post proving a point that Blms can do more than 2k dmg on mobs as BRP was stating blms should do using Tga 3.

[Aodh]

1-about EES, by the time the summoner summons his avatar, commands it to attack the ranger, and fires the BP...the ranger should have allready 2hred. If it has not 2hred at that point, I dont see you being able to clear any starting nation... The mere fact you are trying to vouch as SMN as useful in dynamis because they can eat EES from a ranger, one of the least dangerous dynamis mobs, you are seriously grasping for straws.

2-great, and how long is it gonna take for this group of summoners to take down Streaker Buttnotch ??

If you wait till the mob is at camp to summon then yes it will be dead before you get an assault off. Experianced summoners summon when the tombstone is pulled, and if you use a good DD BP at 90%, it will not only pull hate but trigger the 2h. But you're really right in the fact that this isn't something to say why Summoners are useful in Dynamis. If it is the counter argument would be that 1 Shihei is worth 3-4 summoners because they can eat an EES too.