More upcoming job changes (not from Fanfes)

[sweet]

none of which would be able to do it subbing NIN.

Some of them can, and why do the ones that can't need to? If their at least decent, with decent tanks, they can unload all that dmg without becoming a sponge.

the problem has as much to do with Utsusemi being broken as the disparity between Dual Wield trait and the base weapon damage formula.

I totally agree, but that exists just the same without the Ridill. That's a different discussion.

if WARs are tanking with /NIN they should be working a lot harder to hold hate off other jobs that are not /NIN.

Again. totally agree. Don't quite see how it fits in with needing to boost the dmg output of every non warrior job, though.

ask the SAMs and DRGs that's Lv 53 looking for PT.

I've been that Sam. And I'm just fine with numbers my sam puts up. I'd never expect it to merit as well as my War does, but I'd never expect my War to do things like Omega as well as my Sam does. It's why you can level more than one job instead of trying to gear every job in the game like that one job.

ask the Lv 75 fully merited BLM if he was to level a melee job next what job it's going to be.

I would assume he'd level whatever job looked fun. And that could mean alot of things. For the sake of discussion, lemme ask my linkshell blms. Sec...


ok, I asked and I got 2 votes for ninja, 1 for war, 2 for sam, 1 for drg, and 1 for bst. I think it depends on what interests you.

[Minions]

mnks alot more fun ;x (just not for hnm)

[Xavier]

You can tank fafnir as mnk/war, it has been done. However, with the back line job support it takes, you could probably also tank fafnir as smn/thf or something retarded

I didn't say it -can't- be done, I said I would never bother to do it, for pretty much that reason.

with sushi for the accuracy boost, mnk can get extremely good counter rates which substitute for shadows. Whats your average war/nin evade vs. take on Fafnir? I bet I could get close to that using counter.

I've never really bothered to check evade, since march + haste + gear pretty much means no dmg taken.

Its still not really worth it though, tp spam is gay. The point though was that mnk/war is far more suspectable to taking damage than a job with shadows, just because shadows are so retardedly broken.

[aurik]

You can tank fafnir as mnk/war, it has been done. However, with the back line job support it takes, you could probably also tank fafnir as smn/thf or something retarded

I didn't say it -can't- be done, I said I would never bother to do it, for pretty much that reason.

with sushi for the accuracy boost, mnk can get extremely good counter rates which substitute for shadows. Whats your average war/nin evade vs. take on Fafnir? I bet I could get close to that using counter.

I've never really bothered to check evade, since march + haste + gear pretty much means no dmg taken.

Its still not really worth it though, tp spam is gay. The point though was that mnk/war is far more suspectable to taking damage than a job with shadows, just because shadows are so retardedly broken.

Agree with that. The job ability to reliably reduce to 0 dmg 3 or 4 attacks per 22 seconds and 3 more per 15 seconds (under ideal conditions) is insane. The fact that you can do this and stack it with enmity/damage reduction gear is simply ludicrous.

[FFXIFlux]

WAR is as much or more of a pure DD job than MNK. MNK can heal themselves, remove status ailments on themselves, and chi blast, wars can.... use lots of different weapons. WARs are no more tanks than MNK, maybe less. MNK have higher base evasion, evasion ability, more HP, blocking, blocking trait, AND subbing WAR can take defender, which is really the only "tanking" thing wars get!

Just wanted to say you're retarded.

Thats nice. Since you don't have the reading comprehension to follow what I'd written, where does that put you on the IQ scale, moron, fool, idiot or vegetable?

Gotta love BG, where people with the IQ of a vacuum cleaner and the social mores of a skunk prowl to spew their mindless insults.

PLD have lower evasion, no evasion ability, less hp, a shield to block instead of guard, does that make them less of a tank than mnk? Higher base stats does not a tank make.

You claim to have a PLD but forget they have sentinel, cover, best armor in the game, shield block ability and magic to recover damage, in other words they have nothing offensive but they have a lot of defensive things.

Warriors get provoke, warcry, defender, a defense bonus, and most importantly, they can sub ninja for shadows and not lose said provoke. They have full access to almost everything a pld wears, and war/whm has been proven to effectively tank HNMs for people.

What does a mnk do? They either sub ninja and lose any natural way to hold hate outside of meleeing, or they sub warrior, and pray they don't get killed in 3 shots by an HNM if counterstance fails, hi2u double attack from Tiamat for 700 each hit.

If you're endgame is Serket, then yeah, a MNK makes a fine tank. Before you open your mouth and call me biased, I have both jobs. I know MNK can tank in xp parties w/ counterstance, but I'd never rely on them for anything hard. I've tanked Fafnir on war/nin before, and I'd never consider it on mnk/war.

Wow, damage mitigation through evasion isn't as effective as mitigation with utsusemi! (I'm nodding my head here, pretending this is some sort of revelation, or even relevant, to make you happy.)

So since WAR/NIN can tank Fafnir better than MNK/WAR, MNKs are more of a pure DD class than WARs. So with your reasoning that means that since MNK/WAR tanks Fafnir better than WHM/SMN, WHM/SMN is more of a pure DD than both MNK and WAR. Gotcha! That explains all these WHM parties in KRT recently.

[Ryko]

Why should a WAR be the end all best dmg melee class?

because we own like that. People are like "well you can tank", yeah and we tank even better by doing more damage than everyone else >_>

[Xavier]

Thats nice. Since you don't have the reading comprehension to follow what I'd written, where does that put you on the IQ scale, moron, fool, idiot or vegetable?

You mentioned a lot of irrelevant information in an arguement over who is more of a natural tank. Since you completely ignore the most import part of tanking in this game, shadows + hate control, I'm calling you an idiot.

WARs are no more tanks than MNK

Your argument for MNKs being natural tanks comes down to their higher evasion, dodge, and their ability to get defender subbing war. You also say that defender is the only "ability" that wars get, and do so estatically. You completely fail to mention the fact that again, war/nin has shadows that completely remove physical damage, whereas mnk/war is reliant on an ability procing. The greatest advantage that war/nin holds over mnk/war is shadows + provoke, a guaranteed hate + dmg reduction setup.

Gotta love BG, where people with the IQ of a vacuum cleaner and the social mores of a skunk prowl to spew their mindless insults.

If you don't like it, don't post here. Nobody asks you to anyway. I'd take mindless spewing of insults over completely thoughtless posts on how the game works.

You claim to have a PLD but forget they have sentinel, cover, best armor in the game, shield block ability and magic to recover damage, in other words they have nothing offensive but they have a lot of defensive things.

I don't claim shit, and you don't really know shit. If you want to get technical, warrior can equip koenig too, has shield skill, access to the best shield short of aegis, war/whm is a proven tank, and pld/war has offensive capabilities if they choose. Which really gets back to the point, a subjob and gear can change the role of any job.

Wow, damage mitigation through evasion isn't as effective as mitigation with utsusemi! (I'm nodding my head here, pretending this is some sort of revelation, or even relevant, to make you happy.)

Evasion isn't a guaranteed mitigation of damage, shadows are. Don't tell me you'd say natural evasion is a greater resource than shadows.

So since WAR/NIN can tank Fafnir better than MNK/WAR, MNKs are more of a pure DD class than WARs. So with your reasoning that means that since MNK/WAR tanks Fafnir better than WHM/SMN, WHM/SMN is more of a pure DD than both MNK and WAR. Gotcha! That explains all these WHM parties in KRT recently.

Are you actually retarded?

[Ryko]

Is it that foreign of a concept that 1 job can still be godly (see: "the best") at one thing while still being way better than practically everyone else at another?