Holy fucking shit. Job Adjustments: Samurai (09/29/06)

[Toth]

Stop forgetting about SMN/SAM!

[Ryko]

Ok fun part now, after update question is who is going to be the one to get enough haste gear and see if they can swing a two handed weapon as fast a high dely single handed weapon.

<--, though I'd keep hachiman shoes on.

This sounds like the perfect opportunity to stroke my ego, behold the briefcase of death!

[Dbill]

With all the best haste gear, how much haste can you get on a drk or drg.

[Grad]

Ok fun part now, after update question is who is going to be the one to get enough haste gear and see if they can swing a two handed weapon as fast a high dely single handed weapon.

Map has a nice haste setup doesnt he? Maybe he can test for us!

[Ryko]

Counting actually useful stats over an extra 1% or so.

4 head (highest possible = 5)
3-4 hands
3 legs
3 feet
4-6 waist

I might have forgotten something though, that comes with a pretty hefty amount of accuracy too (16-19). Meat dishes on shit like fafnir even without a bard is gonna become rather viable especially with diabolic eye.

[Kael]

I'm sorry, it's been a few months so I may be remembering things inaccurately. If so forgive me.

Didn't everyone shit their pants when the 5% Haste W.Turban hit the streets? Many of the jobs that jumped all over that already had access to 3% from a Panther +1.

How is a 10% attack speed increase (as a JA mind you, not a gear increase) anything but huge? Especially if it's coupled with comparable boosts in ACC (10% is almost the + from Sushi) and 'attack strength'.

Even a 5% boost to speed, acc, and power from a JA you can keep up at whim would be huge. My pants will explode a second time if it's 10-15%.

I was only saying 5% seems too low. For 2handed anyway. It doesn't make enough of an impact on a 500 or so weapon. I'm only talking about the Speed alone.

Most people were crapping their pants because of the W.Turban. But that's because it makes a large impact on D.W.

That is unless you have the money for a lot of the haste gear out there or are able to equip homam.

[Lithiani]

People wet their pants for the Turban because A; It was easily obtainable and B: Haste affects spell recast timers. The effect on melee swings is all the same.

Haste doesn't affect JAs, so it's not going to touch Seigan, but it does still affect 2 hander melee to the same degree (illusory benefits to dual wield aside)

[Michaera]

Don't mean to jump in and Flux the whole excitement up but this feels like most of SE's previous updates already, where it looks great until the actual patch comes out. :/ I'm trying not to get too excited because they like to just let us down.

WRT DRG/SAM, yes it would affect jumps, Jump is just like a function of your regular swings. But I doubt it would do more for any of the jobs that would /SAM than Berserk and Double Attack would. DRG, DRK, they all actually do some insane damage in merit parties with DD subs, that's not the problem--it's the survivability. A wisely equipped DRG/WAR in Caedarva will probably outparse a lot of other jobs, like a MNK/WAR would, but at the cost of shadows and everything else, which just drains the mp pools faster and slows the party down overall.

If Seigan adds some survivability realistically, then that'd be nice and might complement Hesso. But you can't have both active at the same time, so does it defeat the purpose? And if Seigan reduces Third Eye's reuse timer to 30 seconds, will we be able to "blink" enough hits or wses or whatever in those 30 seconds before the ability wears off/fails to preserve itself to the next hit or the mob dies?

[Kuponut]

Wish Thief had two-handed weapons =(

[Dbill]

Wish Thief had two-handed weapons =(

You just got a huge boost in dagger damage, let us less liked jobs have some love.

[chiz]

I was only saying 5% seems too low. For 2handed anyway. It doesn't make enough of an impact on a 500 or so weapon. I'm only talking about the Speed alone.

Most people were crapping their pants because of the W.Turban. But that's because it makes a large impact on D.W.

That is unless you have the money for a lot of the haste gear out there or are able to equip homam.

Not sure what you were expecting >.> The delay difference between NQ and HQ 2-handed weapons is less than 5%, yet people pay out the ass for them. Sure you have the extra 1D as well, but to say 5% Haste is too low, idk.

Haste gear for the jobs in question isn't outrageously priced or that hard to obtain, its more a matter of benefit over other items you'd equip instead. Turban = free, Dusk Gloves = 3m, Swift Belt = free, Haidate = free, Fuma Sune-Ate = 1m, Dusk Ledelsens = 3m, Homam = free.

If you wanted Dusk+1, Ace's, or Speed/Ninurta's for that extra little boost, then ya, its a lot more difficult/costly.

[Lordwafik]

Wish Thief had two-handed weapons =(

I wouldnt mind having staff at least to 200. SA+TA+Full Swing pleeeeeeease.

[Vedder]

This is another blatant attempt at making Ridill less desirable for WAR/DRK/SAM/BST!?!?!?!?

/sarcasm off

[Dbill]

5% on 528 delay weapon is laughable, that's only 26.4 delay reduction.

10% is much more realistic.

so haste

10% hacco (praying it is)
22% from nice gear
15% from Haste magic

47% = 248.16 faster. Drk/drgoons will love this for endgame merit burns, and assuming what % the acc and str up is makes this a very vible subjob again for merit burns.

528-248=280 delay on a Death Scythe. Now that just seems to over powered to me. Also I would hate to actually see what a Dark could get during last resort with two hr/souleater up, and merited new JA's.

[ValoursLOLDRG]

A wisely equipped DRG/WAR in Caedarva will probably outparse a lot of other jobs, like a MNK/WAR would, but at the cost of shadows and everything else, which just drains the mp pools faster and slows the party down overall.

With Super Jump being lowered to a 3 min recast and adding Seigan ontop to cover for the JA timer, good DRG's shouldn't have any survivability issues. Unless they're trying to suicide.

wtf?? GOOD DRG??? LAWL

[Cat]

Nin/sam would work on HNMs possibly?

Earth staff is a 2H weapon >_>

[layoneil]

Nin/sam would work on HNMs possibly?

Earth staff is a 2H weapon >_>

except the SJ does more hate holding for NINs than the main job does.

[Senoska]

This is another blatant attempt at making Ridill less desirable for WAR/DRK/SAM/BST!?!?!?!?

/sarcasm off

lmao.

[Eddie]

This thread pisses me off b/c the more ideas you people think of im here LFP for hours @ 67 SAM...

[Dbill]

This thread pisses me off b/c the more ideas you people think of im here LFP for hours @ 67 SAM...

lol, we people at work need something to do while here.

and make your own party and you will never have to sit around LFP.