Go to hell Sony

[Minions]

I dont care what other people eat

It doesnt really matter, hes trying to tell everyone sony will do their own thing and let everyone else do theirs. So many people are complaining about ps3 all the time saying they wont buy it and hate the price. I believe most people will buy it once it goes down 100-150$ regardless because alot of the good games will be out for it and temtation is hard to deny.

[Correction]

It's not just that he doesn't care. In saying that he shows he's not listening to fans of his product who are saying 'you should care, because both the 360 and Nintendo are putting out superior products.'

He's a dick because he's arrogant and more importantly, he doesn't listen to consumers, ever. He's got this mentality that no matter what he and Sony will triumph in spite of warnings and shows nothing more than ignorance whenever competitors are putting out products that threaten his very business.

Yes, he's entitled to his point of view, but that he seems blind to warnings from all angles makes him seem kind of stupid at the same time.

Sony isn't really paying attention to what consumers want, an anthem that if played long enough will cost them all of their existing advantage in the console market in the next generation.

I will probably buy a PS3. In about 3-4 years. Maybe. Sony could win me over as an early adopter if they showed more than this 'we will win' attitude but they're not, and Kutaragi is hurting things more than helping. Dickery at its ugliest.

[zakhiel]

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/03/k_kutaragi_ps3.jpg = http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0/Yamauchi.jpg ?

[Celeras]

It's not just that he doesn't care. In saying that he shows he's not listening to fans of his product who are saying 'you should care, because both the 360 and Nintendo are putting out superior products.'

He's a dick because he's arrogant and more importantly, he doesn't listen to consumers, ever. He's got this mentality that no matter what he and Sony will triumph in spite of warnings and shows nothing more than ignorance whenever competitors are putting out products that threaten his very business.

Yes, he's entitled to his point of view, but that he seems blind to warnings from all angles makes him seem kind of stupid at the same time.

Sony isn't really paying attention to what consumers want, an anthem that if played long enough will cost them all of their existing advantage in the console market in the next generation.

I will probably buy a PS3. In about 3-4 years. Maybe. Sony could win me over as an early adopter if they showed more than this 'we will win' attitude but they're not, and Kutaragi is hurting things more than helping. Dickery at its ugliest.

Yeah thats why they modified their controller and gave the ps3 a Virtual Console, because theyre ignoring everybody else.

[Mephisto]

why the fuck does his attitude matter?

if you want a ps3, buy it

if you don't, dont... it's not like the way he acts makes the games any less enjoyable...

besides, i'd much rather sony focus on THEIR console instead of other companies' ones...

[Xavier]

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/03/k_kutaragi_ps3.jpg = http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0/Yamauchi.jpg ?

Exactly, rofl. Sony is doing the exact same thing Nintendo did before they lost control of the market.

"We're the top dog in the market, we can do whatever we want and nobody else matters" was basically Nintendo's attitude with the N64.

Yeah thats why they modified their controller and gave the ps3 a Virtual Console, because theyre ignoring everybody else.

Immitation rather than innovation won't get you very far.

[Celeras]

Yeah thats why they modified their controller and gave the ps3 a Virtual Console, because theyre ignoring everybody else.

Immitation rather than innovation won't get you very far.

Nobodys claiming that it would. But you cant make that argument, and the argument that they ignore everybody else.

Pick one.

[Enkidu]

Immitation rather than innovation won't get you very far.

Wow, lack of gaming history you have. First gyro controller? Microsoft circa 1999. First motion sensor controller? Atari circa god knows when.

Wii and PS3 are both immitating past over hyped technologies. I guess the best thing about PS3 is that they can get rid of motion sensing really easy and make a dual shock with the rumble feature for PS3 (and I bet they will sometime). Nintendo, on the other hand, is stuck with the Wiimote and will have to ride the hype as long as possible. I bet the Wii is hot shit for a year or so, then slowly dies out as the games look worse and worse compared to the stuff coming out for PS3, all the while motion sensing becoming more and more annoying.

[BRP]

Immitation rather than innovation won't get you very far.

Wow, lack of gaming history you have. First gyro controller? Microsoft circa 1999. First motion sensor controller? Atari circa god knows when.

Wii and PS3 are both immitating past over hyped technologies. I guess the best thing about PS3 is that they can get rid of motion sensing really easy and make a dual shock with the rumble feature for PS3 (and I bet they will sometime). Nintendo, on the other hand, is stuck with the Wiimote and will have to ride the hype as long as possible. I bet the Wii is hot shit for a year or so, then slowly dies out as the games look worse and worse compared to the stuff coming out for PS3, all the while motion sensing becoming more and more annoying.

Oh, graphics matter?

Thank god last gen everyone bought Xboxes instead of Playstation 2s.

Anyway, there is a reason Wii's controller is being hyped, it's not just a gimmick. It was created with durabillity in mind.

[Boyiee]

He doesn't care because he doesnt have to. He doesn't consider his competitors actual competition, and ya know what, they aren't.

Sure, if you are looking at which game console will sell more, they are all in competition. Sony isn't looking at the PS3 as a game console, and it really wont matter to sony if it will be outsold. The point is that it will sell, and it'll most likely profit for them. That's all they need to do, be worried about, and focus on. They aren't trying to compete, the PS3 will sell. Ya know, even if the PS3 does shitty compared to nintendo or MS, even if the console loses money for the company... is it really going to affect the company?

No. Sony is big, they dont need a console to make money. Sony makes money hundreds of ways through a multitude of products, just like microsoft. The Xbox didnt meet expectations, and gates was upset about this after being told it would sell well... but it didn't change the fact that they are making billions elsewhere so losing a little on xbox would only be trivial. Shit, when gates retires soon i think he said hes making one of the Xbox creators take over or close to it.

He's got an overconfident attitude, yes. With how hes doing, how his company, how his other consoles have done; he has every right to be. Nintendo has to impress and try to outsell. They have to offer what consumers want, they have to show that their console is number one. MS doesn't have to do this, but after the xbox not being what it should have been, they have to step it up as well. Sony right now is on top, they have been on top for a long time, and chances are at least till christmas they will stay on top. I'm sure after that the wii will take over for a while - and i think the 1 year thing is dead on. After that, the PS3 will take a nice stride, pass everyone else again and take over.

One thing i'm excited about for the ps3 though is graphics down the line, in a year or 2. Right now the graphics for ps3 aren't really huge over the ps2, but as the ps2 was out for a while games seemed to look better and better; in general anyway. With the way games comming out for the ps3 look now, i cant wait to see future games that are gonna be yet another step up.

[Xavier]

I guess the best thing about PS3 is that they can get rid of motion sensing really easy and make a dual shock with the rumble feature for PS3 (and I bet they will sometime).

And you say I have a lack of gaming history? Sony -can't- make a controller with the rumble feature anymore. They were sued in court by the original patent holders of the vibration technology, and lost the case. They refused to settle with the company, because, after all, Sony doesn't care about anyone, and its why they tried to get away with that horrid looking boomerrang controller.

They didn't include the rumble feature with their new controller because they can't. They tried to say that "we couldn't have vibration in the controller because of motion sensing," but an hour after that statement 30 engineers came out with 5 minute solutions to the problem. The Wii controller has vibration and motion sensing too.

First gyro controller? Microsoft circa 1999. First motion sensor controller? Atari circa god knows when.

Wasn't aware the circa was for home gaming consoles, thanks for the enlightment o wise one. First montion sensor controller that helped you move around 2-bit objects on the screen? Amazing. It must have truly been an interactive experience.

[Lbelle]

Anyway, there is a reason Wii's controller is being hyped, it's not just a gimmick. It was created with durabillity in mind.

Durability and enjoyability. It may seem hyped, but since more and more prestigious companies are making games for the Wii, the system itself is getting a boost and will probably end up more fun. We've established that the Wiimote isn't a NEW idea, but it's somewhat innovative to what we have at present, and they have a good backing, with good companies trying to help them.

Anyway, I agree with everything that Correction said. Get a translator, or don't be so arrogant to the fans that are rooting for you and trying to make your console a success.

Let's say, the leader of this club you've been wanting to join FOREVER is a total asshole to you, tells you he doesn't care about other people, his ego is ridiculous, he thinks he is the fucking coolest person ever and you're the shittiest person ever, etc., etc., Would you still want to join? I wouldn't.

Kind of a bad ananlogy, but if the leader or whatever of Sony is being a dickhead, I wouldn't want to hop on that bandwagon.

And whoever said PS3 being 100-150$ you'll be wating a looooong time. Price for PS2 like, just dropped to 150$ lol.

[Xavier]

Sony isn't looking at the PS3 as a game console, and it really wont matter to sony if it will be outsold. The point is that it will sell, and it'll most likely profit for them.

You do realize every PS3 Sony sells is a net loss of roughly $300-400 yes? The only way they make money on the system is if blu-ray becomes the dominate medium, or if the system has amazing games which they can make royalties off of.

No. Sony is big, they dont need a console to make money. Sony makes money hundreds of ways through a multitude of products, just like microsoft.

Not saying that Sony is in any financial trouble, but you're really misinformed here. Sony's other media departments are not reaping in profits, most of them are having trouble at this point. Sony's game division has been huge for revenue for them.

He's got an overconfident attitude, yes. With how hes doing, how his company, how his other consoles have done; he has every right to be. Nintendo has to impress and try to outsell. They have to offer what consumers want, they have to show that their console is number one.

Pride goeth before the fall they say. Its just deja vu back to 1996 all over again.

[Correction]

Sony is big, they dont need a console to make money. Sony makes money hundreds of ways through a multitude of products, just like microsoft.

Like laptop batteries?

Or portable music players?

Or memory cards?

Or movies?

BULLSHIT. Sony needs their gaming division to make money because the rest of their business is not growing as fast as they need it to stay on top of the heap

[Boyiee]

Durability and enjoyability. It may seem hyped, but since more and more prestigious companies are making games for the Wii, the system itself is getting a boost and will probably end up more fun. We've established that the Wiimote isn't a NEW idea, but it's somewhat innovative to what we have at present, and they have a good backing, with good companies trying to help them.

Yepp, completely agree. It's the only reason i have had nintendo systems, and hell, it's the reason i still have every system nintendo has made in working condition.

Nintendo games are replayable, pretty much every one of them. They make fun games. Even the most childish, crappy looking game they put out can end up being a hell of alot of fun.

I play Sony games for rpg's, storys, and getting captured in a really well written/designed dramatic game. It's like a book with a controller. I play Nintendo games for fun, to play with friends, and to play over and over again. I play Xbox games for Mech games really, since armored core hasn't been improving... i guess also for a slight mixture of other games too. Online games until november, football is fun until everyone figures out easy plays. Fable, that was fun but way too short, fable2 plz.

[Boyiee]

You do realize every PS3 Sony sells is a net loss of roughly $300-400 yes? The only way they make money on the system is if blu-ray becomes the dominate medium, or if the system has amazing games which they can make royalties off of.

Yes, which is why i said what i did. It's a loss, but they can do that.

Not saying that Sony is in any financial trouble, but you're really misinformed here. Sony's other media departments are not reaping in profits, most of them are having trouble at this point. Sony's game division has been huge for revenue for them.

Not misinformed: they are not in financial trouble, that was my point. Yes they are slowly crapping out more and more in other departments, but they still have hundreds of ways to make money and still are. Make a little money a hundred times over, it ends up being alot of money. Sony's game division has always been huge yes, but not consoles, software. Consoles are a loss to the company, software is where the money is. I said PS3's will sell, and they will. Therefore software will sell, the company still makes money.

Pride goeth before the fall they say. Its just deja vu back to 1996 all over again.

Nothing to say here, you are absoultely right i think. No matter what sony does or doesn't do they will never be as creative and fun as nintendo games. Just releasing the same things all over again, with different characters and scripts. Same way to play them, same way to see, read, and interact with them.


edit: sorry for posting again but i hate editing in that much.

[Kross]

PS3 is the Linux Nerd's dream... You can change so many things, prolly even install your own version of Linux...

So many possibilites.. Playin' all sorts of emulators, PSP, XBOX360 games etc...


I can't wait to see ppl's tweaked out PS3s and how they did it.

[Boyiee]

PS3 is the Linux Nerd's dream... You can change so many things, prolly even install your own version of Linux...

So many possibilites.. Playin' all sorts of emulators, PSP, XBOX360 games etc...


I can't wait to see ppl's tweaked out PS3s and how they did it.

That works great till sony fucking does online updates so you can't do it anymore. Then when people find ways around them, makes games that requires those updates to be played. PSP was great till i updated it to play one game, which turned out to be a shitty game.

Like laptop batteries?

Or portable music players?

Or memory cards?

Or movies?

Referring to MS or Sony? If you were referring to sony, they have other ways to make money besides those too. It's a big company, and i cant see your pdf on this comp so i'll go switch it to read.

[Anyway]

Boyiee seems to be arguing every point on both sides of the argument. Or is that just me.

As of right now, I can't think of 1 game that the PS3 will have that will sell a shitload. The other systems have theirs announced already... Wii - Zelda.. Super Smash.. Mario Galaxy... Xbox - Gears of War(looks amazing) Halo 3...

What does PS3 offer right now? Gran Turismo where you have to be like 1000 bucks to "fully experience" the game? Grand Theft Auto isn't gonna do it like it used to, it's lost popularity pretty fast when every sequel was exactly the same.

[Tekki]

From a fan of all fronts ( I love all three of my consoles for the general reason everyone loves them for their individual popular traits) but Im worried about Sony. This is coming from a fellow gamer and a video game retailer's prospective.

Yes I want Sony to get on top or meet the top on the new console war but the more and more I read about the PS3 the more annoyed I become. From all the interviews you can read from the top Sony excs, the same thing is said. "We dont care and we are blindly expecting to win no matter what" They are given theroetical situations that Blue Ray doesnt do so hot and they say "How is that possible" Ppl ask what they will do to match the competitors product and they say "We dont care."

Sorry but thats poor use of persuation to sell this console to people. Sure, to some of us who are already sold or understand they really dont need to pursuade us the system is sold. But for those who really do need more facts, stats, information to justify spending $600+ on their console this fall, they need real answers.

I have customers coming up to me and wowing over what the Wii can do, then they are sold on the laundry list of features with the very attractive price. The 360 has pulled out pretty strong with a long overdue strong library starting to surface. XB Live has helped pushed the system as well. But when it comes to the ps3 they first ask "Price?" I tell them, and most are shocked. Even the diehards that say "Im still getting it" still wonder why its so expensive. People are either in sticker shock or debating in conversation or on forums how to justify the price. With this much controversy they need to start giving us some real answers. People arnt completely sold on this console and Sony shouldnt blindy say "We dont care" Thats my bottom line.

EDIT: I should also mention Sony's very weak lineup of many multi-platform titles isnt helping their arguement... Whats title is coming out this fall that makes u want to spend nearly a grand on the whole expeirence?