Go to hell Sony

[Nightstriker]

Boyiee seems to be arguing every point on both sides of the argument. Or is that just me.

As of right now, I can't think of 1 game that the PS3 will have that will sell a shitload. The other systems have theirs announced already... Wii - Zelda.. Super Smash.. Mario Galaxy... Xbox - Gears of War(looks amazing) Halo 3...

What does PS3 offer right now? Gran Turismo where you have to be like 1000 bucks to "fully experience" the game? Grand Theft Auto isn't gonna do it like it used to, it's lost popularity pretty fast when every sequel was exactly the same.

Considering that super smash and mario galaxy aren't launch titles, I dont see your point. PS3 will have Devil May Cry 4, Virtual Fighter 5 *Will sell more in japan then in US* , Tekken 6 *Will also sell more in japan then US* , Metal Gear solid 4 , Resident Evil 5, and so on and so on.

Edit: PS3 has some nice launch titles Devil May Cry 4, Elder Scroll IV, Heavenly Sword, Armored Core IV, and some others.

[Boyiee]

Boyiee seems to be arguing every point on both sides of the argument. Or is that just me.

Really? I have opinions on both companies? Both positive and negative? You mean companies have discouraging info about their consoles? You mean i'm a fan of both, have things i love about both and hate about both? You mean i was hoping for better, years ago when they were unvieled, but have to settle for less because i am not waiting 5+ years for the next consoles?

I'm not one sided, i'm not saying sony is gonna destroy nintendo because i think nintendo is going to after christmas. I'm not saying PS3 is going to suck and be a piece of shit like pretty much everyone else here, i'm dealing with the fact that it should have been better, but there are fucking plus sides to the system. I'm also not a sony fanboy saying wii is gonna suck, because it's not, it'll be alot of fun, and i'll have one myself. Arguing every point on both sides? Please, i just stated why the fucking guy is overconfident, and has reasons to be. His company isn't trash, and even if they realease trash(in comparison) they aren't going to be trash afterwards.

I'm not biased like 90% of the posters here. Both systems are gonna rock, both systems have ups and downs, and both systems probably could have been better. I love my 360 too and im excited about future games from it as well.

[Boyiee]

PS3 will have Devil May Cry 4

i'm gonna miss not being dante, but after reading like a 10 page article on the game, it looks freaking amazing. This is one thing i'm extremely excited for, the most excited i am to get my hands on other than zelda.

Oh, and even though people are saying "the wii wont sell because of this" and "ps3 wont sell because of this" - You are probably right, not saying your wrong, and anyone who uses the internet and has discussions like this you are most likely right about. But you have to remember about the people that dont read and read and learn and learn as much as they can about the systems before hand. The people that are younger or older, and aren't as involved. Those people that've had nintendo and have loved it, so they will buy the Wii without caring for it being "a beefed up gamecube" or buy a ps3 without caring that the company "doesnt care" or there is no vibration... or it starts fires (cure cancer lol). They wont know, and that is alot of people. Most likey a larger number then those that do care this much about the consoles.

[Lbelle]

stop double posting ffs

[Kaylia]

Sony isn't looking at the PS3 as a game console, and it really wont matter to sony if it will be outsold. The point is that it will sell, and it'll most likely profit for them.

You do realize every PS3 Sony sells is a net loss of roughly $300-400 yes? The only way they make money on the system is if blu-ray becomes the dominate medium, or if the system has amazing games which they can make royalties off of.

Well, I guess they will also sell a bunch of HDTV too. But fuck that, if I get one for my ps3 in 2-3 years, it wont be from sony for sure.

[Boyiee]

stop double posting ffs

I said i was sorry for doing so before because i didnt want to edit in another huge post. I did it twice, ever, and it probably wont happen again. Others do it too once in a while, no big deal. Not like i hit submit twice and ended up with a blank afterwards, at least it's an actual post.

[Headspace]

Considering that super smash and mario galaxy aren't launch titles, I dont see your point. PS3 will have Devil May Cry 4, Virtual Fighter 5 *Will sell more in japan then in US* , Tekken 6 *Will also sell more in japan then US* , Metal Gear solid 4 , Resident Evil 5, and so on and so on.

Edit: PS3 has some nice launch titles Devil May Cry 4, Elder Scroll IV, Heavenly Sword, Armored Core IV, and some others.

If PS3 doesn't sell like hotcakes, developers will pull the plug on such titles or port them to Xbox360, which can definately handle those games.

(RE5 and Assassin's Creed are both planned to be on the 360, which are 2 more reasons I won't need a ps3.)

[Enkidu]

And you say I have a lack of gaming history? Sony -can't- make a controller with the rumble feature anymore. They were sued in court by the original patent holders of the vibration technology, and lost the case. They refused to settle with the company, because, after all, Sony doesn't care about anyone, and its why they tried to get away with that horrid looking boomerrang controller.

They didn't include the rumble feature with their new controller because they can't. They tried to say that "we couldn't have vibration in the controller because of motion sensing," but an hour after that statement 30 engineers came out with 5 minute solutions to the problem. The Wii controller has vibration and motion sensing too.

That's not how copyrights work... They found that Sony's current use of rumble feature was using that companies patents, so they sued Sony. Does that mean "rumble" in patented? Hellnolol. Sony could easily either A) settle and buy the tech from that company or B) create a new rumble feature that doesn't infringe on patents. It probably is why it's not included with the current controller, yet with all the Sony engineers I don't think it would take long to create a new version of rumble that doesn't infringe on patents.

Wasn't aware the circa was for home gaming consoles, thanks for the enlightment o wise one. First montion sensor controller that helped you move around 2-bit objects on the screen? Amazing. It must have truly been an interactive experience.

Actually the Microsoft one WAS a gaming controller, as was the Atari controller. Sidewinder(PC) and Le stick(2600) respectively. Stop pretending this is some break through in gaming tech, this stuff has been around forever. Reminds me of the P-P-P-POWER GLOVE!

Just look at past proclamations by Nintendo... "Picks up positions in 3D space with pin point accuracy" or whatever? It's a freakin gyroscope with an IR sensor. You have to put a little strip on the bottom of your TV just so it can pick up the signals, I remember using something exactly like that way back in the early 90's to play some games with motion sensors. Now if Wii actually mapped 3D space in front of you and all of your action were directly ported to the system, it would be inovative (and would probably win Nintendo the nobel prize), but in the end it's a gyroscope and an IR sensor.

[Xavier]

That's not how copyrights work... They found that Sony's current use of rumble feature was using that companies patents, so they sued Sony. Does that mean "rumble" in patented? Hellnolol. Sony could easily either A) settle and buy the tech from that company or B) create a new rumble feature that doesn't infringe on patents. It probably is why it's not included with the current controller, yet with all the Sony engineers I don't think it would take long to create a new version of rumble that doesn't infringe on patents.

No shit son. Point being rather than settle, and rather than take the 2 weeks to design a rumble feature thats significantly different, they just dropped it entirely.

You're splitting hairs by making the distinction of my wording of rumble in general vs. the type used in the Dual Shock. Its the same argument.

Actually the Microsoft one WAS a gaming controller, as was the Atari controller. Sidewinder(PC) and Le stick(2600) respectively. Stop pretending this is some break through in gaming tech, this stuff has been around forever. Reminds me of the P-P-P-POWER GLOVE!

I never said it was a technological breakthrough, my point is its being effectively done this time and fully supported, instead of a new controller that has no real support. Theres a huge difference in releasing something that developers -can- choose to use but nobody actually has, verse shipping the technology with the system. I don't remember the Sidewinder shipping with your PC. Nor do I think motion sensors on the Atari would be terribly entertaining, as you'd be moving dots around the tv.

[Merryck]

You buy an Xbox 360. Your television isn't quite up to par for what you'd like to play your Xbox 360 on. You want a HD TV. What do you buy?

"Yes, I'd like the 50" Sony Plasma over there on the corner."

While working for Best Buy, there were two major brands of TVs you saw leave the store, whether it be via delivery, or via the walk-ins: Phillips and Sony. Why? It's probably the same reason Sony can sell laptops for $1200 that only scarcely add up to the performance of a HP that sells for $900. Sony has been around for a long time, and anywhere you look, you'll see there name in some form or another. Digital cameras, media, computers, gaming -- it doesn't seem to end, the length of their reach.

If Sony's product absolutely falls through the floor, yes, they may very well fall off the face of the Earth as a console-producing company, but essentially, that would make them the current Nintendo, only with about 100 other branches of products being sold to continue bringing in a profit that will far exceed their losses due to the PS3.

Nintendo lost. What did Nintendo do when they lost? They took a bit more interest in what was going on outside their own little world and they made their own products a little better. If Sony manages to lose the console race within this generation or the next, it will probably yield a similar result.

At the simple statement of, "We don't care," I think it was a damn good way to answer that question. The press will ask you anything that you can possibly slip up on and make your company look bad as a whole. The Japanese, being naturally frank already, probably didn't consider that an uncommon response to such a blatantly obvious attempt to get a poor statement from Sony's highest representative.

The fact that no one is looking at the situation objectively is what bothers me, because most of you are arguing hardcore for one side or the other. What you need to realize is that there's no way to know which system will dominate this generation until the PS3 is released, so we can actually tally the results.

What do I think? Considering the extra time Sony has been given due to the early Xbox 360 release (the date for which was pushed into an earlier time frame to beat the coming of the PS3), I don't think Sony is likely to fall on its face. It may start out slow, as has been said, but the price won't have to drop for people to want the system. They'll go over to their friends house and try it out, love the graphics or some of the new games, themselves, and they will want the system. Combining that with the features that the PS3 will incorporate, you've got a damn good product.

That said, I'll still buy the Wii before the PS3, but you can bet your ass I'll end up with both.

[Plow]

It's not just that he doesn't care. In saying that he shows he's not listening to fans of his product who are saying 'you should care, because both the 360 and Nintendo are putting out superior products.'

Or maybe he's saying "No, they're not. Just wait and see."

[GRT]

sony really don't give a damn about how well ps3 will compete against the other consoles in the early stages (first year or two?)

not sure if many of you know but SONY is in a huge financial crisis right now. they are pouring all their resources (as in not just SCE but the entire SONY company) into ps3 as a blue-ray player and rushing to make sure it's the first next-gen media player in most house holds, hoping to win the hd-media war against hd-dvd

winning the console war can only provide limited amount of profit for the company in term of their debt (by ps3 as a game console alone they will need to collect loyalty from over 15000 1st/3rd party games to make back the loss from the console production), but if blue-ray becomes the next main stream hd medium then the potential is infinite

so when kutaragi says he doesn't care about x360 or wii, guess what, he really does mean it lol

but if you guys only care about the gaming console, just remember that ps2 won the last console war solely because of its dvd capability as well

however the difference this time around is that the real opponent to blue-ray is not hd-dvd, it's dvd... so if you think about it, the risk now is MUCH higher than last time for SONY... frankly i'm not too optimistic about how they are gonna turn out, especially if blue-ray fails, SONY most likely will be bankrupt in 2 to 3 years

[Anyway]

Boyiee seems to be arguing every point on both sides of the argument. Or is that just me.

As of right now, I can't think of 1 game that the PS3 will have that will sell a shitload. The other systems have theirs announced already... Wii - Zelda.. Super Smash.. Mario Galaxy... Xbox - Gears of War(looks amazing) Halo 3...

What does PS3 offer right now? Gran Turismo where you have to be like 1000 bucks to "fully experience" the game? Grand Theft Auto isn't gonna do it like it used to, it's lost popularity pretty fast when every sequel was exactly the same.

Considering that super smash and mario galaxy aren't launch titles, I dont see your point. PS3 will have Devil May Cry 4, Virtual Fighter 5 *Will sell more in japan then in US* , Tekken 6 *Will also sell more in japan then US* , Metal Gear solid 4 , Resident Evil 5, and so on and so on.

Edit: PS3 has some nice launch titles Devil May Cry 4, Elder Scroll IV, Heavenly Sword, Armored Core IV, and some others.

If you'd read instead of inserting words, I did not say launch titles. I said games that will sell well. If you even think that frigging Devil May Cry or Tekken will outsell Super Smash or Mario, you're delusional. Virtual Fighter will barely sell. Fighting games aren't even that popular anymore.

Just curious now that we're on the subject, what ARE the PS3 launch titles?

[Viq]

but if you guys only care about the gaming console, just remember that ps2 won the last console war solely because of its dvd capability as well

Breaking News: Xbox plays DVDs

[Vixy]

but if you guys only care about the gaming console, just remember that ps2 won the last console war solely because of its dvd capability as well

Breaking News: Xbox plays DVDs

I don't think Xbox came out at the same time PS2 and Gamecube did it? Least I don't remember it.

[Xavier]

but if you guys only care about the gaming console, just remember that ps2 won the last console war solely because of its dvd capability as well

Breaking News: Xbox plays DVDs

I don't think Xbox came out at the same time PS2 and Gamecube did it? Least I don't remember it.

The PS2 came out in November of 2000? The Gamecube and the Xbox came out in November of 2001?

I remember the Xbox and Gamecube came out at the same time, because I got both for Christmas a month later. But the entire argument that the PS2 playing DVDs is equal to the PS3 playing blu-rays is retarded.

DVD was already becoming the established format for movies at the time of the PS2 launch. When I bought the PS2, I wasn't thinking to myself, "god I hope this whole 'dvd craze' catches on so I can watch new movies on my system." I was thinking "finally I can get a new game system and a cheap dvd player to use upstairs to watch all my dvds on."

Established format vs. brand new isn't the same situation. If you buy the PS3 on the basis that it plays blu-rays, you're taking a risk. Buying the PS2 on the basis of it playing DVDs was a no brainer.

Why didn't the PS2 use the laser-disc instead of dvd? Because DVD won the format war. Why did Micorosoft include DVD playback with the Xbox? Because everyone was using DVDs.

Why is Sony going with blu-ray and Microsoft with HD-DVD, because nobody knows which is going to win.

[GRT]

but if you guys only care about the gaming console, just remember that ps2 won the last console war solely because of its dvd capability as well

Breaking News: Xbox plays DVDs

Spoiler Alert: Xbox didn't come out until PS2 had already dominated the last generation for two years because it played DVDs.

[Squirrels]

Why is Sony going with blu-ray and Microsoft with HD-DVD, because nobody knows which is going to win.

This is the truest statement in this thread.

[Nightstriker]

Boyiee seems to be arguing every point on both sides of the argument. Or is that just me.

As of right now, I can't think of 1 game that the PS3 will have that will sell a shitload. The other systems have theirs announced already... Wii - Zelda.. Super Smash.. Mario Galaxy... Xbox - Gears of War(looks amazing) Halo 3...

What does PS3 offer right now? Gran Turismo where you have to be like 1000 bucks to "fully experience" the game? Grand Theft Auto isn't gonna do it like it used to, it's lost popularity pretty fast when every sequel was exactly the same.

Considering that super smash and mario galaxy aren't launch titles, I dont see your point. PS3 will have Devil May Cry 4, Virtual Fighter 5 *Will sell more in japan then in US* , Tekken 6 *Will also sell more in japan then US* , Metal Gear solid 4 , Resident Evil 5, and so on and so on.

Edit: PS3 has some nice launch titles Devil May Cry 4, Elder Scroll IV, Heavenly Sword, Armored Core IV, and some others.

If you'd read instead of inserting words, I did not say launch titles. I said games that will sell well. If you even think that frigging Devil May Cry or Tekken will outsell Super Smash or Mario, you're delusional. Virtual Fighter will barely sell. Fighting games aren't even that popular anymore.

Just curious now that we're on the subject, what ARE the PS3 launch titles?

Your right because Sony doesn't make all there money of 1-2 titles DUH. PS2 became so popular because of many different titles. Thats the differance between Sony and Nintendo you should already know that. So if your going to compare games you have to compare Mario and Link to ALL OF SONY LIBRARY. Also People do still play fighting games Super Smash is just a multi player FIGHTING GAME. Like I said fighting games are 100% times more popular in Japan which still makes up alot of customers. US still likes fighting games as well just not as much.

Devil May Cry 4:
Fatal Inertia:
Ridge Racer 7:
Resistance:
Armored Core 4:
Sonic the Hedgehog:
Sega Golf Club, Sega:
Virtua Fighter 5:
Enchant Arm:
Need for Speed Carbon:
Genji:
The Eye of Judgment:
Heavenly Sword:
Mahjong Fight Club:
Formula One Championship:
MotorStorm, SCE:
Bladestorm:
Lair:
Virtua Tennis 3:
Coded Arms Assault:
Afrika:
Hot Shots Golf 5:
Railfan:
Wangan Midnight:
Monster Kingdom Unknown Realms:
Elder Scroll IV

Some of these could be wrong the complete list isn't realy yet.

[Xavier]

How many of those games will ACTUALLY be good?

Devil May Cry 4
Virtua Fighter 5

I don't see anything else on the list I'd buy. Some of the new original games I'll have to wait and see, but the rest are just sequels of crappy games.

Spoiler Alert: Xbox didn't come out until PS2 had already dominated the last generation for two years because it played DVDs.

Spoiler Alert: DVD already dominated the market before the PS2 came out. Which is why the PS2 was so attractive, a cheap DVD player for the new winning format.