Go to hell Sony

[GRT]

Perhaps the PS3's "power" will eliminate the "PS2 limitations" that prevent some features from being added/implemented to this game.

Sadly they will never drop the PS2 users. However we probably will see the next MMO on PS3 and well.. if they keep things like FFXI in terms of gameplay and fix all the other issues it could be huge.

I really hope it's PS3/PC exclusive so we don't have "Xbox360 limitations" down the road.

Theres some kind of myth that the PS3 is a billion times more powerful than the 360. Its not. And the 360 is a hell of a lot easier to develop for.

PS3 been rated to be twice as powerful as Xbox360, no were near a billion times and of course its hard to develop for its NEW and not even out. Xbox360 was hard to develop for when it first came out as well.

cell may be twice as powerful as x360's dual core, or even three times more so, but it's VERY unnecessary

most of cell's functionality is in its ability to calculate float points, and that's about 10% of all the data of any single game, whereas most of the other sections (2d-mapping, AI etc) are being done by only one of chips + the nvidia card, where x360 is equally powerful if not MORE so

cell is very powerful, but it is developed without main focus on it being a gaming console engine, IBM and toshiba can put it to much better use in their server management and mainframes (or midranges)

[aurik]

lol @ ps2 being hard to develop for

most multi platform games are first made for the ps2 then tweeked to fit other consoles (hardest to develop for currently is the PSP, which is why it hardly has any good games)

Compared to XBox and GC, ps2 IS hard to develop for. GC is a very simple RISC architecture. XBox has the power of Visual Studio behind it. PS2 was a nightmare (hi2u VU programming), and only its huge install base kept it on the radar for development.

[Elcura]

lol @ ps2 being hard to develop for

most multi platform games are first made for the ps2 then tweeked to fit other consoles (hardest to develop for currently is the PSP, which is why it hardly has any good games)

Compared to XBox and GC, ps2 IS hard to develop for. GC is a very simple RISC architecture. XBox has the power of Visual Studio behind it. PS2 was a nightmare (hi2u VU programming), and only its huge install base kept it on the radar for development.

are you speculating? or have you actually spoken to people who've developed for all 3 consoles?

[edgarfigaro]

lol @ ps2 being hard to develop for

most multi platform games are first made for the ps2 then tweeked to fit other consoles (hardest to develop for currently is the PSP, which is why it hardly has any good games)

Compared to XBox and GC, ps2 IS hard to develop for. GC is a very simple RISC architecture. XBox has the power of Visual Studio behind it. PS2 was a nightmare (hi2u VU programming), and only its huge install base kept it on the radar for development.

are you speculating? or have you actually spoken to people who've developed for all 3 consoles?

No, it's been said over and over by developers. The reason games were developed for PS2 first is because A)higher installed base and B)much harder to port to PS2 than from PS2...you know, the exact opposite reason you thought up. Case in point, Viewtiful Joe took longer to port from Gamecube to PS2 than it spent in development for the GC.

[Elcura]

eh, figures. I always thought PS2 was easier from what I read/who I spoke too

[Plow]

but if you guys only care about the gaming console, just remember that ps2 won the last console war solely because of its dvd capability as well

Breaking News: Xbox plays DVDs

Spoiler Alert: Xbox didn't come out until PS2 had already dominated the last generation for two years because it played DVDs.

Gran Turismo sold 20x as many PS2's as the ability to play dvds did.

[GRT]

but if you guys only care about the gaming console, just remember that ps2 won the last console war solely because of its dvd capability as well

Breaking News: Xbox plays DVDs

Spoiler Alert: Xbox didn't come out until PS2 had already dominated the last generation for two years because it played DVDs.

Gran Turismo sold 20x as many PS2's as the ability to play dvds did.

uh huh, and where did you get those stats from?

[Raineer]

but if you guys only care about the gaming console, just remember that ps2 won the last console war solely because of its dvd capability as well

Breaking News: Xbox plays DVDs

Spoiler Alert: Xbox didn't come out until PS2 had already dominated the last generation for two years because it played DVDs.

Gran Turismo sold 20x as many PS2's as the ability to play dvds did.

uh huh, and where did you get those stats from?

Really though.... TONS of people bought a PS2 just for Gran Turismo, I had a DVD player already.

[Xavier]

I thought Gran Turismo sucked. Too realistic of a sim for me. Guess I just like racing games that don't take the actual laws of physics into account.

[GRT]

[quote=Raineer]

but if you guys only care about the gaming console, just remember that ps2 won the last console war solely because of its dvd capability as well

Breaking News: Xbox plays DVDs

Spoiler Alert: Xbox didn't come out until PS2 had already dominated the last generation for two years because it played DVDs.

Gran Turismo sold 20x as many PS2's as the ability to play dvds did.

uh huh, and where did you get those stats from?

Really though.... TONS of people bought a PS2 just for Gran Turismo, I had a DVD player already.[/quote:04cc8]

yah? roughly 70% of ps2 sales in east asia during the first two years were to households where ps2 was their first dvd player, and i can't remember now but i believe there were also about 40% of ps2 owners in north america during the first year where ps2 was their first dvd player too

btw, hate to break it to ya, but just because you do something doesn't mean everybody else does the same thing, world doesn't revolve around you ; ;

[Krandor]

lol @ ps2 being hard to develop for

most multi platform games are first made for the ps2 then tweeked to fit other consoles (hardest to develop for currently is the PSP, which is why it hardly has any good games)

Compared to XBox and GC, ps2 IS hard to develop for. GC is a very simple RISC architecture. XBox has the power of Visual Studio behind it. PS2 was a nightmare (hi2u VU programming), and only its huge install base kept it on the radar for development.

are you speculating? or have you actually spoken to people who've developed for all 3 consoles?

Afaik Aurik is speaking from expierence.

Friends of mine in the video game industry have told me that the PS2 indeed is really awful to design for.

[Avé]

I thought Gran Turismo sucked. Too realistic of a sim for me. Guess I just like racing games that don't take the actual laws of physics into account.

Yeah, I could never get into those GT games. I don't understand what is so great about them. Though, I haven't played any racing games (aside from F-Zero and Mario Kart) since Rush 2 came out for the N64, that game kicked ass.

[Stilgar]

At the simple statement of, "We don't care," I think it was a damn good way to answer that question. The press will ask you anything that you can possibly slip up on and make your company look bad as a whole. The Japanese, being naturally frank already, probably didn't consider that an uncommon response to such a blatantly obvious attempt to get a poor statement from Sony's highest representative.

The Japanese are notoriously NOT frank. I don't know where you got your info from, but it's completely wrong. I wish I could see the actual statement in Japanese that Kutaragi made, because the translation doesn't sound anything at all like something you'd expect to hear in that situation. But maybe that's just the console business these days.

[Veli]

Cant knock the fact that they do have the strongest console ever coming out so they dont need to be worried about these other guys. $600 is alot for a console but its gonna be worth the money in the long run.

[SephYuyX]

anyone else do the GT3 endurance races by putting a 2x4 on the controller, going out to eat, coming back and winning?

laws of physics < $2 board

Cant knock the fact that they do have the strongest console ever coming out so they dont need to be worried about these other guys. $600 is alot for a console but its gonna be worth the money in the long run.

I somehow don't think that. I sold PS2 @ launch, and while people were saying they'd pay a grand, no one ever forked out the cash for mine. In fact, the console releases are why i'm not applying at game/electronic stores.. PS2 was bad enough. ._.

40 degrees, 133 people in line at 7 am, how do you convince them that indeed, you were here at 2 am because you were helping stock all night.... (yes, we had to call the cops) and we got six PS2s. Six more the following month. Then we got an entire palletful by mistake for Christmas and sold them all (120?) within 3 days.

Are you trying to say Fantavision failed as a release title?

Fantavision is what drove the PS2 sales.

[Ahkow]

the console will be highly sought after when the games are available pirated.

[Krandor]

Cant knock the fact that they do have the strongest console ever coming out so they dont need to be worried about these other guys. $600 is alot for a console but its gonna be worth the money in the long run.

Power means very little these days as far as I'm concerned. Been said a million times over but games are already reaching the upper limits of where they can go graphically, and personally, I'm not paying $600 just to get slightly better graphics.

[Nightstriker]

Cant knock the fact that they do have the strongest console ever coming out so they dont need to be worried about these other guys. $600 is alot for a console but its gonna be worth the money in the long run.

Power means very little these days as far as I'm concerned. Been said a million times over but games are already reaching the upper limits of where they can go graphically, and personally, I'm not paying $600 just to get slightly better graphics.

Ill complete agree that console gaming is reaching its graphcal peak with 360 and PS3, but ill disagree to say the PS3 has slightly better graphics then PS2, that is pure BS. Your comparing 100% of the PS2 potential power to like 40-50% of the PS3 potental power. Your going to have to wait for a couple of years to see what the PS3 can really do. Comparing right now just isn't fair at all.

[SephYuyX]

Cant knock the fact that they do have the strongest console ever coming out so they dont need to be worried about these other guys. $600 is alot for a console but its gonna be worth the money in the long run.

Power means very little these days as far as I'm concerned. Been said a million times over but games are already reaching the upper limits of where they can go graphically, and personally, I'm not paying $600 just to get slightly better graphics.

Ill complete agree that console gaming is reaching its graphcal peak with 360 and PS3, but ill disagree to say the PS3 has slightly better graphics then PS2, that is pure BS. Your comparing 100% of the PS2 potential power to like 40-50% of the PS3 potental power. Your going to have to wait for a couple of years to see what the PS3 can really do. Comparing right now just isn't fair at all.

He didnt mention PS2 any where in there.

Im sure he was compairing Wii and 360 to PS3; why pay 600$ for graphics when you can get similiar/close to/better graphics on a less expensive console.

[Nightstriker]

I think you mean 360 vs PS3 cause Wii can't even compete with those 2 systems in terms of graphics. Also not sure if anyone notice's Microsoft HD-DVD player priced at 199.99. Wanna know hear people's opinion if they think it will sell cause 360 + HD-DVD = PS3.