Dmg reduc gear

[Vivisan]

Yeah, here is a KI post by someone who has done some of the most comprehensive dmg%- testing I've seen. I was slightly off though, it's not 256, 250 maybe?

I've been looking for that link forever now. THANK YOU!

[Flight_93]

Actually you're wrong =)

meh, so were you, I was just an asshole about it.^^

[Xajii]

Pretty sure it was Qbert who had an amazing test about dmg reduction on KI RDM forums; he tanked RDM/WAR dynamis with dmg-% gear.

Info I recall:

DMG % is rounded, it's rarely the flat 5.00% or whatever.
Umbra Cape = 12% - at night. Hot.

Sooo yeah, you cans earch KI RDM forums for Qbert and dmg reduction if you wanna see.

[aurik]

I redid those tests in the paladin forum at one point.

[oiayieeio]

yep, and they can be found here : http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=111970 (scroll down a bit)

[Khamsin]

Pretty sure it was Qbert who had an amazing test about dmg reduction on KI RDM forums; he tanked RDM/WAR dynamis with dmg-% gear.

Info I recall:

DMG % is rounded, it's rarely the flat 5.00% or whatever.
Umbra Cape = 12% - at night. Hot.

Sooo yeah, you cans earch KI RDM forums for Qbert and dmg reduction if you wanna see.

Umbra Cape is 6%, not 12%. Despite the name, why would it be different at night than during the day? There's no latent or anything on it.

[Vivisan]

Pretty sure it was Qbert who had an amazing test about dmg reduction on KI RDM forums; he tanked RDM/WAR dynamis with dmg-% gear.

Info I recall:

DMG % is rounded, it's rarely the flat 5.00% or whatever.
Umbra Cape = 12% - at night. Hot.

Sooo yeah, you cans earch KI RDM forums for Qbert and dmg reduction if you wanna see.

Umbra Cape is 6%, not 12%. Despite the name, why would it be different at night than during the day? There's no latent or anything on it.

Its a hidden effect maybe. :D

[miokomioko]

Pretty sure it was Qbert who had an amazing test about dmg reduction on KI RDM forums; he tanked RDM/WAR dynamis with dmg-% gear.

Info I recall:

DMG % is rounded, it's rarely the flat 5.00% or whatever.
Umbra Cape = 12% - at night. Hot.

Sooo yeah, you cans earch KI RDM forums for Qbert and dmg reduction if you wanna see.

Umbra Cape is 6%, not 12%. Despite the name, why would it be different at night than during the day? There's no latent or anything on it.

It's sorta' related to the name.... Umbra

But I have heard this "hidden effect" was official from a number of sources myself. I'm not going to argue against it.

edit: it's 2am and apparently my reading comprehension skills took a dump sometime earlier. you acknowledged the name -_-

P.S. Avatar weapons (i.e. garuda's dagger) are also affected by day and that crap ain't listed ;/

[Xajii]

Pretty sure it was Qbert who had an amazing test about dmg reduction on KI RDM forums; he tanked RDM/WAR dynamis with dmg-% gear.

Info I recall:

DMG % is rounded, it's rarely the flat 5.00% or whatever.
Umbra Cape = 12% - at night. Hot.

Sooo yeah, you cans earch KI RDM forums for Qbert and dmg reduction if you wanna see.

Umbra Cape is 6%, not 12%. Despite the name, why would it be different at night than during the day? There's no latent or anything on it.

No no I'm right. Try it

[Shuvo]

I can confirm that it is indeed -12% at night.

[Vivisan]

Listen. Anyone who took one look at the actual link would have seen it.

[genome]

You could test, I think MNK can get something like -62% damage taken.

It's actually exactly 50% just from equip for monk, but using sand mantle and petrify you could get up to 70% (hard to do tests involving petrify though). I didn't make a "monk limits" entry about -phys% yet because I wanted to craft and sign my own HQ arhat and I haven't been able to yet.

So anyways for monk it's mostly a non-issue since you can't really pass the cap in normal situations.
Other jobs are probably better to do cap tests on that.

Also as people mentioned already all % are added first and then applied, just like most things in game (hp% for example), and the descriptions are are really fractions of 8 bit (e.g. black belt 5% is really 12 / 2^8 =~5%), added, and then rounded at the end. I guess it probably speeds up damage computations, but really of all things SE could worry about optimizing I don't think this would be the bottleneck. Then again they don't really care that much about making the items descriptions be very clear or precise anyways.

[Raineer]

I can confirm that it is indeed -12% at night.

[Kainen]

Bit of necro post but I did some further testing on this.

The percentages listed on the items are very much correct. But like bagel said, it's based on a 256 divisor, then rounded down.

So:

Earth Staff w/ 20% reduction is actually 256*.2 = 51.2 rounded down to 51 = 51/256 or 19.921875%

Jelly Ring w/ 5% reduction is actually 256*.05 = 12.8 rounded down to 12 = 12/256 or 4.6875%

etc etc

For the Cheviot/Umbra Cape, the nighttime bonus is double the daytime bonus.

Cheviot:
Daytime = 12/256.
Nighttime = 24/256

Umbra:
Daytime = 15/256
Nighttime = 30/256

You can use formula for every -damage taken item in the game as far as I can see.

What I have not tested so far is if the actual cap is 128/256 or the total of the actual listed values equal to 50%.

Can a BRD posssibly go out to altepa and see if you can overload on -damage taken and take 500 damage from 1000 needles?

Edit: fixed.

[Goddess]

Earth Staff w/ 20% reduction is actually 256*.2 = 51.2 rounded down to 51 = 51/256 or 19.921875%

Jelly Ring w/ 5% reduction is actually 256*.05 = 12.8 rounded down to 12 = 12/256 or 4.6875%

etc..

Cheviot:
Daytime = 12/256 = 4.6875%.
Nighttime = 24/256 = 9.375%.

Umbra:
Daytime = 15/256 = 5.859375%.
Nighttime = 30/256 = 11.71875%.

Fixed.

Edit: Added more percentages.

[vagus]

Yeah, here is a KI post by someone who has done some of the most comprehensive dmg%- testing I've seen. I was slightly off though, it's not 256, 250 maybe?

Ahh.. that's the post i was looking for. Good read. :D

[Masterofshade]

Now here's a thinker. Is straight DMG reduction (like Defending ring) Calculated away from Phys dmg%-? Or is it considered 10% phys and 10% magic and 10% other (is there really an other? just threw that out there)?

I'll ask the PLD in my LS, he also has NIN @ 75 and I'll get him some HQ gear n what not, and see what we can do about testing this. Worth a shot I guess.

[Demetrick]

Test = fight cactuars

everytime it 1000 needles you, you can easily calculate how much the dmg reduction down is.

[yuriku]

hmmm, Anyone know the cap on -% magic damage gear?

[Codernaut]

hmmm, Anyone know the cap on -% magic damage gear?

I'd be surprised if it also wasn't -50%.

And there is also Magic Defense Bonus which probably caps at 50% as well.

100 gil says they are multiplied together (magic damage % being the final consideration)