Pocket Monsters Diamond and Pearl

[Akiyama]

Holy shit. I didn't use any of the Regi-series, but now there's a Regigigas? Awesome. Also.. wtf PorygonZ. Kureseria is hot.. new psychic pokemon ftw. Too bad her special attack sucks ass.

[Maguspk]

Hmm, on another matter, I'm trying to download "NetBattle", but it won't go through. After getting the setup and start downloading it, the setup freezes almost instantly on this a file of "Unis" or something, either 02 or 03(I can go make sure if it matters).

That stinks, I wish you could get it downloaded.

I tried downloading it and it gives me an error when I try to install too. Something about the first .bin file and "error code 404"

Hmm, its nothing like that. Its just freezes... and it seems its slowly going up... so I'm closing it(well getting that whole "send a report to Microsoft" crap) and verrry slowly downloading it... I think something is wrong with the download file.

I fixed my error by now opting to download the Colesseum pack icons or w/e they are, the last option in the install choices. I unclicked everything and the download went smoothly.

Whats everyone's name on it? Mine's Maguspk obviously ;p

[Kenai]

Mega Supaa Ninja Edit:

Look at the final Fire starter evo, look me in the eye, and tell me it doesn't look like a Mega Man X Boss. Look at the final Grass starter evo and tell me it isn't a total rip-off of that Genbu Digimon from the 3rd series, only with one head instead of two (the one where the fucking blob plays the villain.)

New style is one thing, that's why I was able to accept RS's oddities, but this is verging on plagiarism.
Also, and this goes for some RS generation pokemon, a lot of them are looking less and less organic.
I don't mean like they don't look like plants or animals, I mean a lot of them look like they just had a bunch of crap tacked on to make them look new or different.
RBY is considered the best generation for art because they were all very original re-imaginings of plants and animals and such (Farfetch'd still sucks, though. ._.)
GSC had a lot of curves and had a smooth feel to it. It had a real elegance in the art style.
If you couldn't already tell, I consider it the best generation.
RSE had a lot of weird shit, but they added nearly as many pokes as RBY (RBY=151, GSC=100, RSE=135, DP=107) while coming up with some pretty original stuff (‘cept for crap like Seviper, y halo thar Arbok).
This generation gives us evos, prevos, and rip-offs.
Only a handful seem like they had any thought or style put into them (Rentoraa, Zogaidosu, Leafia, Manmuu (pilosnub evo), D&P, Lucario, and some others).
It could be argued that with all the enhancements, art quality can go down, but with all the stuff GSC added to the game, I believe that's a pretty weak excuse.

I can understand a lot of that, but there are two sides to every coin. For one, I don't exactly know what you mean by the art quality going down, because some of those new Pokemon have really amazing detail put into them (Yonowahru, Megayanma, Lucario, the fully evolved starters, and most of the Legendaries all look pretty awesome to me, and this isn't all of them, not to mention they changed both the male/female sprites and the sprites of old Pokes to update from the GBA to DS).

I also can't really understand why you are calling them "ripoffs" of other things. The Genbu from Digimon is a ripoff of the original legend of Genbu or Adamnantoise, after all, and the Pokemon one here actually looks a bit MORE original to me (has some Anklyosaurus in it). Isn't Pidgey technically a ripoff of a normal English Sparrow, even? They either have to do one of two (technically 3) things:

They have to base it off of a real life animal or other thing.

They have to be totally original (and make it look feasable at the same time, like Mewtwo. One of the things I hated about Digimon was that they'd make the most random crap, from a talking pile of shit (literally), to a train with a face. Ooo look, a new original Digimon that no one has done before! ).

Base it off something, and it's called a ripoff. Make it too alien, and it runs a good chance of "not looking right" to a lot of people, because they can't relate to it. How can they win if forced into that corner? Despite all that, it still sells so amazingly well, is one of those games you just can pick up and play, and is so open-ended for a handheld that it's amazing. That's why I like Pokemon so much: every generation there have been pokemon I have both liked and disliked for whatever reason. They let me make a fighting force out of whatever the hell I want from the generation,, from the Pokemon *I* like, and let me either ignore the ones I don't like, or throw them in a box. I can even bring back some old favorties from the previous generation if I like them that much. They aren't forcing me to do anything except have fun with any of the soon to be 500 ish little bastards, using my personalized monsters to kick the crap out of everyone else's monsters. No game since has come close to that, and done it nearly as well, as Pokemon has.

P.S If they'd let me make a customizable person for an avatar in an online fight like Battle Revolution(like for PSU), I'd be swooning.

[LD]

You're a moron.
I obviously didn't mean that basing off an actual animal, plant, or mythical creature is a rip off or I would have tagged every fantasy book, movie, and video game ever made, and using that loose point to form the bulk of your argument is...not unexpected, but offensive.

When I say 'rip-off' I mean that there are a fair number of pokemon that were designed with an art style heavily reminiscent of styles I've seen before, not that it's another fighting monkey.
Dotaidosu isn't a rip-off for simply being a giant turtle...infact, I'll show you.
Minus its right head, what does it remind you of?
One of the event pokemon that has been found is a DEAD FUCKING RINGER FOR A CHIA PET, FFS.
There is a covert theft of intellectual property here and it speaks vividly of a decline in effort and imagination.

[Kenai]

You're a moron.
I obviously didn't mean that basing off an actual animal, plant, or mythical creature is a rip off or I would have tagged every fantasy book, movie, and video game ever made, and using that loose point to form the bulk of your argument is...not unexpected, but offensive.

When I say 'rip-off' I mean that there are a fair number of pokemon that were designed with an art style heavily reminiscent of styles I've seen before, not that it's another fighting monkey.
Dotaidosu isn't a rip-off for simply being a giant turtle...infact, I'll show you.
Minus its right head, what does it remind you of?
One of the event pokemon that has been found is a DEAD FUCKING RINGER FOR A CHIA PET, FFS.
There is a covert theft of intellectual property here and it speaks vividly of a decline in effort and imagination.

Yes, but also no. I don't disagree that they look alike, but that turtle seriously doesn't look that much different from other depictions I've seen of the 'real" Genbu, and Digimon stuck a second head on it and copywrighted the damn thing. Also, like I said, it has quite a bit of this to it:

http://members.aol.com/DinoPixels/ankylo.html

Maybe combine the two minus one head. Definitely not original per se, but not thieving off Digimon, for sure. I'm not trying to be insulting, but really...if that one thing is your biggest problem with it...I found a round piece of talking digimon poo far more lackluster. Some of the new Pokemon I think are cheesy, or not very good, but I always have...and I have always seen just as many good ones to match them. (I dare say that Korinku thing reminds me of Kimba the White lion, although I like it)

[Unklemonkey]

Pokémon (ポケモン, Pokemon?, IPA: [ˈpoʊ.keɪ.mɑn], although frequently mispronounced [poʊ.kiˈmæn]), is a multi-billion dollar media franchise[1] controlled by video game giant Nintendo, and created by Satoshi Tajiri at least by 1995 (it celebrated its tenth anniversary on February 27, 2006

Digimon started out as a digital pet called "Digital Monster," similar in style and concept to the Tamagotchi. It was released by Bandai on June 26, 1997.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokemon and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digimon#Overview

According to Wiki Pokemon came out before Digimon, so... wouldn't that mean that Digimon copied Pokemon?

[DragonCloud64]

Haha, alot of those new pokemon looked pretty F'ed up, they are going to scare the kids.

http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/pokemon/492.png
Chia Pet!!

http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/pokemon/389.png
lolGenbu

[LD]

Most depictions of Genbu that I've seen don't have a friggin’ tree on their back.
The only reason FFXI's does is because it’s a remodel of Adamantoise, and sometimes tortoises and such get moss on their shells.

I'm not saying Digimon is this great franchise to copy off of.
Indeed, I think that it's disgusting that they are starting to strongly resemble them (Gulpin from RSE resembles that Digi design you were speaking of), as I always preferred Pokémon's original style over the large amounts of metal and cloth and other gaudy crap they tack on to a Digimon when it Digivolves (though I admit some of them are pretty cool looking).

At the end of the day, I'm a minimalist, I don't like all these flashy appointments thrown on just for the sake of differentiating and making a superficial symbol of strength.
I like implied strength, like a stare, or the way it holds itself...but I digress.

I have yet to see a full shot of Dotaidosu, and the sprite doesn't showcase its tail (so it is not easy to tell if it is spiked or clubbed, but I believe it is neither.)
Since the first 2 forms are obviously based on aligator snapping turtles, I can only assume that the spikes on the head and right side of the body were more of a weak attempt at making it seem tougher than an allusion to an Ankylosaurus.

Also, I'm pissed they made it a Grass/Ground type.
I was desperately hoping for Grass/Fighting so it would at least have a 4x weakness to a slightly less common attack type (Everything uses Ice Beam). -_-
Grass already resists Elec too, it didn't need that immunity ('cept for maybe T-Wave, but it's slow as crap already). ~_~;

There are good Pokémon in this generation, but they are out-numbered by lack-luster or unimaginative creatures added for the sake of filling out a roster.
7 Prevos, 18 Evos, and 4 Altvo, that's 29 out of 107 Pokémon, shy of 1/3.
Another Rabbit Poké. Another Cat Poké. Another Fly Trap Poké (admittedly a different type). Another goldfishy Poké. Hell, there's even a knock-off version of an ORIGINAL Pokémon in the game (Breed Manaphy, you get a crappy version called Fione).
I am simply severely disappointed with Creatures & Gamefreak.


The concept of collecting monsters is older than Pokémon, Poké was just the first to successful bring it to an electronic medium, so it is simply a War of Art styles at this point.

[Onizuka]

I knew this day would come ive avoided the ds long enough, I thought of getting one when mario kart came out but the system was just so big and ugly(plus i hate that stick you have to poke it with), but now that lites out, i can pick it up as-well as mario kart!

Not a huge poke'mon fan but i do know they where the best games to ever see the light of day on any Game-boy system. Had all 3 main games some with more than one version of it(lost 1, traded etc) Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver/Ruby


Red/Blue/Yellow: They were great, best thing on the game-boy hands down. Yellow was fun cause you had pikachu running around with you all day, starting the game was hard though cause the first gym you fight is stone, not so good for little lighting based pikachu..

Gold/Silver/ Nice new color, new poke'mon, new story a lot of cool stuff added

Rudy: I only got 1 version this time around, ruby was cool, was really good cause i had it on the sp. and playing poke'mon on a back light screen kicked ass.

Cant wait for round four, but now i'm older i don't think i can get away with playing this game anymore

[Akiyama]

Haha, alot of those new pokemon looked pretty F'ed up, they are going to scare the kids.

http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/pokemon/492.png
Chia Pet!!

http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/pokemon/389.png
lolGenbu

That lolGenbu looks a lot better.

[Maguspk]

Red/Blue/Yellow: They were great, best thing on the game-boy hands down. Yellow was fun cause you had pikachu running around with you all day, starting the game was hard though cause the first gym you fight is stone, not so good for little lighting based pikachu..

I always raised a caterpie to a butterfree, with confusion. What'd everyone else do? I didn't know it when I played yellow really, but rock is weak to fighting iirc, so a mankey would've worked too, those were in yellow at the start right?

[BRP]

lol at Digimon vs Pokemon, what a lame topic. They are only as similar as you want to make them be. Since Pokemon is an absolute failure of an anime and Digimon hasn't made one "great" (console) game to my knowledge, you can't really directly compare them, I believe they both have good mangas, I've never read a Digimon one, but I've always loved "Pokemon Special/Adventures", I always base my team in Red Version on it. I'd say Pokemon is most inovative of the two, but I wouldn't go as far to say Digimon has copied Pokemon in any noticable amount. Btw, none of the designs look like actual Digimon, just looks like the art designer of Digimon made them.

Anyway, I'm hoping for a Christmas release for P/D.

[Marcicus]

I gotta tell you, do not train a Shroomish/Breloom from 1-85 without using secret bases on Sapphire. D: Fighting the Elite Four so many times made me vomit, literally.

[Maguspk]

I gotta tell you, do not train a Shroomish/Breloom from 1-85 without using secret bases on Sapphire. D: Fighting the Elite Four so many times made me vomit, literally.

Secret Bases, what do those have to do with training a Breloom?


Also, big news, I found a project through a Free MMO link in another thread that is a Pokemon MMO. This is actually a pokemon MMO, he is trying to get the RBY pokemon engine online so that you could walk around and other people would be walking around with you and you could battle them. It looks like it's early on as far as development goes, but it looks hella promising!

http://www.onrpg.com/boards/free-mmorpg ... line-game/

Also, there is a link to his forums on that link I posted. If you are one of the first 100 to sign up for his forums you get a special item when he starts the beta testing. So hurry and sign up if you wanna get it. (I was # 74 and made a post to make sure I wasn't overlooked lol).

[Kuai]

KuaiEQ (11:53:22 PM): POKEMON PEARL OWNS
EvilScunsion (11:56:50 PM): rofl
KuaiEQ (11:57:26 PM): my block had a power outage or some shit
KuaiEQ (11:57:31 PM): and i had no power for 2 hours
EvilScunsion (11:57:34 PM): rofl
KuaiEQ (11:57:37 PM): and all i did was play pearl
KuaiEQ (11:57:52 PM): and i didnt even notice for like 10 minutes until i looked around and it was pitch black in my room
EvilScunsion (11:57:57 PM): lol

[Kenai]

Most depictions of Genbu that I've seen don't have a friggin’ tree on their back.
The only reason FFXI's does is because it’s a remodel of Adamantoise, and sometimes tortoises and such get moss on their shells.

I'm not saying Digimon is this great franchise to copy off of.
Indeed, I think that it's disgusting that they are starting to strongly resemble them (Gulpin from RSE resembles that Digi design you were speaking of), as I always preferred Pokémon's original style over the large amounts of metal and cloth and other gaudy crap they tack on to a Digimon when it Digivolves (though I admit some of them are pretty cool looking).

At the end of the day, I'm a minimalist, I don't like all these flashy appointments thrown on just for the sake of differentiating and making a superficial symbol of strength.
I like implied strength, like a stare, or the way it holds itself...but I digress.

I have yet to see a full shot of Dotaidosu, and the sprite doesn't showcase its tail (so it is not easy to tell if it is spiked or clubbed, but I believe it is neither.)
Since the first 2 forms are obviously based on aligator snapping turtles, I can only assume that the spikes on the head and right side of the body were more of a weak attempt at making it seem tougher than an allusion to an Ankylosaurus.

Also, I'm pissed they made it a Grass/Ground type.
I was desperately hoping for Grass/Fighting so it would at least have a 4x weakness to a slightly less common attack type (Everything uses Ice Beam). -_-
Grass already resists Elec too, it didn't need that immunity ('cept for maybe T-Wave, but it's slow as crap already). ~_~;

There are good Pokémon in this generation, but they are out-numbered by lack-luster or unimaginative creatures added for the sake of filling out a roster.
7 Prevos, 18 Evos, and 4 Altvo, that's 29 out of 107 Pokémon, shy of 1/3.
Another Rabbit Poké. Another Cat Poké. Another Fly Trap Poké (admittedly a different type). Another goldfishy Poké. Hell, there's even a knock-off version of an ORIGINAL Pokémon in the game (Breed Manaphy, you get a crappy version called Fione).
I am simply severely disappointed with Creatures & Gamefreak.


The concept of collecting monsters is older than Pokémon, Poké was just the first to successful bring it to an electronic medium, so it is simply a War of Art styles at this point.

They are both kind of based on a somewhat "legendary" type of monster in Japanese folklore, in which there was a giant turtle with a forest growing on it's back, at the center of which was a huge tree. I can't really remember the specifics since it was back in 8th grade/9th grade when I read about it. Basically what I was trying to say is I'm sure JP people will see ties to a Genbu of sorts, but the Genbu out of legends, not Digimon's Genbumon or whatever it was, since they were basing that off of the legend to begin with anyway. Why would Pokemon copy a copy?

You must not like the type combo for the same reason that I do like it, lol. I agree that a lot of crap uses/can use Ice Beam, but the ground type gives it a big advantage in Ground based attacks against Fire types, and maybe even makes it possible to use some decent Rock type attacks to hurt fliers (a ton of Pokemon seem to be able to use Aerial Ace too ). I even noticed that by the time all 3 are fully evolved, they get certain advantages against the starter than they were originally weak to, which was interesting to me, especially since it seems you get 2 seperate rivals that take both of the Pokemon you didn't, and you apparently get involved in several double battles throughout the game that involve them teaming up with you against Team Galaxy or whatever it's called (I guess a lot of people enjoyed that double battle with Steven in Emerald as much as I did). I'm not 100% sure on it, havent been reading too closely since I don't want too much revealed to me before release.

What I really like is the Wifi aspect, that is just all kinds of awesome. Not only can I link up with people with relative ease anywhere in the world (it's pretty easy to ask for Friend Codes on message boards), but people can learn strategies and combos from one another, and the more clueless can see just how much depth has gone into the Pokemon Battle system. (I'm not even going to go into how much easier trading/evolving via trades will be.) As for the actual numbers of Pokemon that aren't pre-evols and don't evolve from a previous Poke, it's closer to 1/4th, which really isn't bad to me, especially since most of them were not pre-evos, which means stronger overall Pokemon, and use from some of the lame-stat ones that no one liked to actually have on the team. Also, that attack/special attack modifier split seems huge too, but I will have to see on that. At least we will see some different variety in attacks and strategies from old pokes will have to be modified to work through it.

[Scythiroth]

Also, big news, I found a project through a Free MMO link in another thread that is a Pokemon MMO. This is actually a pokemon MMO, he is trying to get the RBY pokemon engine online so that you could walk around and other people would be walking around with you and you could battle them. It looks like it's early on as far as development goes, but it looks hella promising!

http://www.onrpg.com/boards/free-mmorpg ... line-game/

Also, there is a link to his forums on that link I posted. If you are one of the first 100 to sign up for his forums you get a special item when he starts the beta testing. So hurry and sign up if you wanna get it. (I was # 74 and made a post to make sure I wasn't overlooked lol).

From that screenshot so far, it doesn't look that great. I know it is just one person working on it and it is still in early stages, but, ehh.

[LD]

They are both kind of based on a somewhat "legendary" type of monster in Japanese folklore, in which there was a giant turtle with a forest growing on it's back, at the center of which was a huge tree. I can't really remember the specifics since it was back in 8th grade/9th grade when I read about it. Basically what I was trying to say is I'm sure JP people will see ties to a Genbu of sorts, but the Genbu out of legends, not Digimon's Genbumon or whatever it was, since they were basing that off of the legend to begin with anyway. Why would Pokemon copy a copy?

I challenge this. I have never in my entire life seen that trait regularly expressed in depictions of Genbu and especially not in the God he was based on, Xuánwu (which automatically makes anything based on Genbu a copy of a copy, nullifying your point.)
Also, you failed (or refused) to recognize that on that Genbu digimon, the creature's left head has horns very similar to Dotaidosu.

Dotaidosu's Ground type coupled with his high att does make for a decent offense against Fire types, however his speed and Special Def are too low for a prolonged fight, as most of the better Fire types have Special Att and Speed out the ass.
This is why Swampert was at least decent, he could survive most Grass moves (his 4x weakness) as long as they weren't STAB'd because he had a decent amount of HP, Att, Def, SAtt, and SDef (at the cost of Speed which, incidentally, is better than Dotaidosu's.)
Furthermore, nothing really uses offensive fire moves regularly since they don't have the utility of Ice moves, so Dotaidosu's Ground type is a nebulous advantage at best and a severe handicap at worst.

Upon closer inspection of Dotaidosu's SDef, I found it only to be marginally worse that Swampert's.
However, I stand by most of what I said.

[Syn]

I just had fun battling with Maguspk on netbattle, you guys should stop theorying and join us.

[Scythiroth]

ITS TIME TO D-D-D-D-D-DUEL!!!

oops, wrong game. >_>