Job Adjustments: Summoner (03/10/2006)

[Dbill]

Hmmm this means Sam is the only one really getting love this update, while the rest of us get hosed.

[Plow]

Hmmm this means Sam is the only one really getting love this update, while the rest of us get hosed.

Oh I assure you this is some serious smn luv right hurrr

[Lylie]

Just means she hasn't spent the last 2 years botting SMNs in rolanberry.

Pretty big update for SMN, should really increase their usefulness in an alliance setting. But as someone said....need to see how MP keeps up with 2x as many BPs + cost to summon an avatar although you could cut that down a bit by using the same avatar for both an offensive and defensive buff.

Having the ability to do 2 BPs per minute doesnt mean you have to do 2 BPs per minutes.

Hmmm this means Sam is the only one really getting love this update, while the rest of us get hosed.

Are you kidding? This update is just awesome for SMNs.

[chiz]

Having the ability to do 2 BPs per minute doesnt mean you have to do 2 BPs per minutes.

You would if you wanted to guarantee a spot over a potentially stronger DD or a better support job/healer. As it is now, SMNs are either good to great DDs on certain mobs or very weak support/healers. Being able to combine both abilities would put them in a category by themself.

[Plow]

Having the ability to do 2 BPs per minute doesnt mean you have to do 2 BPs per minutes.

You would if you wanted to guarantee a spot over a potentially stronger DD or a better support job/healer. As it is now, SMNs are either good to great DDs on certain mobs or very weak support/healers. Being able to combine both abilities would put them in a category by themself.

As it is now, smn are not in a class of their own?

http://www.bluegartr.com/img/093006/Kirin1.jpg

Wall hallo thar

[Tomino]

i like the idea of stacking BPs like Ifrit Warcry+Flaming Crush, Fenrir Ecliptic Growl+Eclipse Bite, Diabolos Dream Shroud + Nether Blast

also, the fact you can Earthen Ward and also land a minor damage BP looks fun. best thing looking Ecliptic Howl + that paralyze bite

[Not Kuno]

The extra 3 minutes on hastega makes it really good for PTs. Although each buff has its own max limit, even having it 1 or 2 minutes longer would make it equal or really close to a normal haste. Having buffs extended/on a separte timer and being able to attack also is actually really good because now SMN arnt support bitches OR damage dealers, they can do both.

[Vobent]

ROFL@the diabolos upside down, the one on the upper right.



No summoning torques on AH now. ; ;

10K a piece too! ; ;

[Lylie]

Having the ability to do 2 BPs per minute doesnt mean you have to do 2 BPs per minutes.

You would if you wanted to guarantee a spot over a potentially stronger DD or a better support job/healer. As it is now, SMNs are either good to great DDs on certain mobs or very weak support/healers. Being able to combine both abilities would put them in a category by themself.

Now what you're asking for is like: I want to be the best, everytime.

I'm not SMN (but I have 2 statics for RDM merit PTs and leveling BRD to 75) and I find this update awesome. Funny thing is you actually see people cry about it.
You wanted more BPs? You'll have them. You wanted junk like Hastega to be actually worth using? You'll have it. Why want more, except giving you free avatar perp. cost, I dont see what SE could have give SMN.

[Plow]

No summoning torques on AH now. ; ;

10K a piece too! ; ;

lol same shit, I decided to go check and there's none up and they've risen to 15k! the earrings are selling for 1m tho o.o

[Vobent]

No summoning torques on AH now. ; ;

10K a piece too! ; ;

lol same shit, I decided to go check and there's none up and they've risen to 15k! the earrings are selling for 1m tho o.o

I logged on only for this reason..I didn't waaannna log on..

Earrings 400K none up.

[Not Kuno]

I bought a torque a while ago when I heard the smn skill will actually matter. Could never find an earring though cause Im not shelling out 1m+ for it. XD

[NynJa]

Having the ability to do 2 BPs per minute doesnt mean you have to do 2 BPs per minutes.

You would if you wanted to guarantee a spot over a potentially stronger DD or a better support job/healer. As it is now, SMNs are either good to great DDs on certain mobs or very weak support/healers. Being able to combine both abilities would put them in a category by themself.

As it is now, smn are not in a class of their own?

http://www.bluegartr.com/img/093006/Kirin1.jpg

Wall hallo thar

That method was just a fad...

malee burn takes out kirin in 8-9 minutes tops.

[chiz]

Having the ability to do 2 BPs per minute doesnt mean you have to do 2 BPs per minutes.

You would if you wanted to guarantee a spot over a potentially stronger DD or a better support job/healer. As it is now, SMNs are either good to great DDs on certain mobs or very weak support/healers. Being able to combine both abilities would put them in a category by themself.

As it is now, smn are not in a class of their own?

http://www.bluegartr.com/img/093006/Kirin1.jpg

Wall hallo thar

Sure its nice, but throw 12 of any DD job that can actually dmg Kirin, ignore its SMNs, and you get the same (if not better) result. 504 damage every minute just isn't impressive, sorry. 20 min Kirins were cool 2 years ago, except people used 1/2 the SMNs and called em Rangers. Now people just throw MNKs and Ridill WARs at it and drop it in 8-10 mins.

[Vobent]

why hello thar same minute posting

I think chiz @ nynja are the same person. They both have mandau, and are humes.

The only reason they have differnt names is the fact that space time ruptures DO happen.

[NynJa]

He took the gay bald one...

[Rag]

3x PTS each one of them 5 drks with krakens and a brd
Kirin would die in less than a min lol

[LD]

Wow, Crimson Roar might actually be worth a damn now.

Begs the question though, do support BPs transfer to other PT member's avatars?

All in all, mazel tov, you got a much needed enhancement.
I don't just mean dividing the BPs; making use of SMN skill and potentially enhancing previously useless or marginal support BPs is what the job truly needed.

[Plow]

Sure its nice, but throw 12 of any DD job that can actually dmg Kirin, ignore its SMNs, and you get the same (if not better) result. 504 damage every minute just isn't impressive, sorry. 20 min Kirins were cool 2 years ago, except people used 1/2 the SMNs and called em Rangers. Now people just throw MNKs and Ridill WARs at it and drop it in 8-10 mins.

The kirin pic was an easily accessible example. Try just throwing mnks and ridill wars at tiamat.

[Kimiko]

Question is though, is the actual blood pact used by the avatar still going to be under the control of the summoner? Something about this change to me just doesn't seem right.