Yankees suck

[Viq]

baseball playoffs are all about luck.

Hence why the marlins have 2 WS titles.

Let me guess, the one game, single elimination format of NFL is a far more accurate way to determine the best team, right?

[edgarfigaro]

baseball playoffs are all about luck.

Hence why the marlins have 2 WS titles.

Let me guess, the one game, single elimination format of NFL is a far more accurate way to determine the best team, right?

Actually, yeah. Why? Because of the nature of football versus baseball...there's a reason that Pittsburgh was the first 6th seed to ever win the super bowl, but yet wild card teams have won 4 of the last 10 world series. The NFL may only have 1 game, but the better team usually wins. Now you tell me...4 teams winning the championship that back in the day, wouldn't even had qualified for the playoffs...that's not a sign of randomness? The whole reason for a 162 game season in baseball is to establish a large enough sample size to weed out statistical outliers...then they turn around and play 3 of 5 and 4 of 7 to crown the "world champions"...that's a joke.

[Mephisto]

baseball playoffs are all about luck.

Hence why the marlins have 2 WS titles.

Let me guess, the one game, single elimination format of NFL is a far more accurate way to determine the best team, right?

Actually, yeah. Why? Because of the nature of football versus baseball...there's a reason that Pittsburgh was the first 6th seed to ever win the super bowl, but yet wild card teams have won 4 of the last 10 world series. The NFL may only have 1 game, but the better team usually wins. Now you tell me...4 teams winning the championship that back in the day, wouldn't even had qualified for the playoffs...that's not a sign of randomness? The whole reason for a 162 game season in baseball is to establish a large enough sample size to weed out statistical outliers...then they turn around and play 3 of 5 and 4 of 7 to crown the "world champions"...that's a joke.

That makes no sense whatsoever...

How is a large "sample size" of games ever a bad thing? It also takes into account the pitching staff of a baseball team, something football has no real equivalent of.

[edgarfigaro]

the "large" sample size of a 3/5 and 4/7 is nothing compared to the long season that actually tells us who the best teams are. Therefore, I still stand by my statement that baseball playoffs are all luck. I mean, the braves win 1 WS in 15 years, and the marlins don't even win a division and yet have 2 titles? please...anyone that thinks baseball playoffs aren't luck probably think david eckstein is a good baseball player.

[Anyway]

Football playoffs are so much better because they are just 1 game, you lose you're out. It's kinda stupid that the 1st 2-3 games in a baseball series don't even really matter if they lose because they can just win the others. Football you get 1 chance, 1 game and if you fuck it up, goodbye. That's why the higher seed teams usually win (Cept last year, Steelers baby!) because they are the best. Being a good football team in the playoffs isn't just about who's got the standout player or the stats, it's about the team who can compose themselves and get the least turnovers/penalties and which coach can win the chess match. I'm sorry, but coaching in a baseball game is a joke. Look at Joe Torre, he might as well sleep the first 6 innings, then wake up to walk on the field and take the pitcher out.

[Kurp]

the "large" sample size of a 3/5 and 4/7 is nothing compared to the long season that actually tells us who the best teams are. Therefore, I still stand by my statement that baseball playoffs are all luck. I mean, the braves win 1 WS in 15 years, and the marlins don't even win a division and yet have 2 titles? please...anyone that thinks baseball playoffs aren't luck probably think david eckstein is a good baseball player.

New York W97 L65 .599
Minnesota W96 L66 .593
Oakland W93 L69 .574
Detroit W95 L67 .586

Can you tell who is clearly the better team from those records? I don't know why it's so surprising when a Wild Card team does well in the playoffs. They aren't scrub teams, MLB only letting 4 teams per division in pretty much assures that. Luck? Are you fucking kidding me? You think there's more luck invovled in a best-of-5 or best-of-7 series compared to one and you're done? One shitty ref call in football can send a team home.

[Viq]

baseball playoffs are all about luck.

Hence why the marlins have 2 WS titles.

Let me guess, the one game, single elimination format of NFL is a far more accurate way to determine the best team, right?

Actually, yeah. Why? Because of the nature of football versus baseball...there's a reason that Pittsburgh was the first 6th seed to ever win the super bowl, but yet wild card teams have won 4 of the last 10 world series. The NFL may only have 1 game, but the better team usually wins. Now you tell me...4 teams winning the championship that back in the day, wouldn't even had qualified for the playoffs...that's not a sign of randomness? The whole reason for a 162 game season in baseball is to establish a large enough sample size to weed out statistical outliers...then they turn around and play 3 of 5 and 4 of 7 to crown the "world champions"...that's a joke.

Look at the baseball standings this year. Out of 162 games the Twins won exactly one more game than did the Tigers (wildcard). In the NL, the Padres and Dodgers had identical records after 162 games. I don't see how your argument against wild card teams works. They didn't do well enough to win their division so they don't deserve a shot at the playoffs? Being one game back after 162 sure means the Tigers are a shitty baseball team?

I can't wait until January when we see which teams barely scraped together a .500 record to make the NFL playoffs

[Makochin]

I'm not sure about the NFL format, but only 8 out of 30 teams in MLB makes the playoffs in a 160+ game season. Pretty much any team that makes the playoffs is capable of winning the title. The only thing I don't like about the yankees is their payroll (and their fans). I am only cheering for them this year because Wang is pitching for them. Otherwise, there really is nothing exciting about Yankees winning a world series.

[Akiyama]

Tigers 7 Yankees 0 in the Bottom of the 5th. Can you say LOL?

Also Bonderman has a No hitter through 5. 18 consecutive innings without a Yankee run.. and their batters are 0-24.. >.> Can you say owned?

Ack. I was wrong, it's a Perfect Game. >.>; That'd be hillarious if he pulled that off, but I doubt it.

Fun Fact:
Detroit Tigers 82,302,069 (Salary)
New York Yankees 198,662,180 (Salary)

And.. LOL @ A-Rod batting 8th.

[Vobent]

lol yankees out already

8 to 3

[Akiyama]

Owned.

[Vobent]

C'mon mets.

[Akiyama]

Tigers are this year's White Sox. Look at the Tigers celebrate. That's awesome. Kenny Rogers.. being public? Not smacking cameras? Awesome.

[kisada]

fkn owned

[Kurp]

Where did Nny's posts go? Those were so good.

[Fira]

when did the tigers get good?

[Nny]

Where did Nny's posts go? Those were so good.

O:

Well, I wanted to delete my first post. It was a pretty stupid post that would most likely result in a rise. But you can't delete a post if there's another post after that. And since I had three post, I'd have to delete all three to delete the first.

Annddd the third post, about Eckstein, was wrong anyway. I wrote it off memory, and decided to look up my source afterwards, and realized I was mistaken.

Anddd so since the middle post didn't really matter all that much, I just said fuck it and deleted all three.

But what I had posted from what I can remember:

Personally I think the playoffs should be 7/7. Skill wins out overtime. You even state this yourself in one of your posts:

"The whole reason for a 162 game season in baseball is to establish a large enough sample size to weed out statistical outliers"

If the playoffs were just 1/1, then worse teams would move on a lot more than they do now because they have a high chance of winning.

Also, baseball is not very much of a team sport. The only real team aspect of it is pitcher-catcher relationship. The less chemstry needed, the more even skill will be between teams. Take the New York Knicks for example. Lots of high priced, highly skilled player with bad chemistry and they flat out sucked. Now take the New York Yankees. Lots of high priced, high skilled players with poor chemistry and they still had the best record in all of baseball (Given not as bad as the Knicks, but my point still stands). I'm not saying chemistry is not needed at all, you do want a healthy club house atmosphere. And I'm not saying that baseball is not a team sport at all, because it is. But compared to other sports, baseball takes the back seat in that catagory.

Also, using basketball again

From 1980-2004, 21 franchises have played in the World Series (and 16 have won). Only two teams have gone more than three times. During that same time in the NBA, 15 teams have made the finals and only seven have won. Five teams have gone at least four times. The Lakers went nine out of 12 years (and that was before they won three straight from 2000-02). Chicago won six in an eight-year span.

Baseball teams are a lot more even in skill compared to other sports. And beore you try to counterargue that with "Well wild card...", the wild card wasn't put in place until 1995. Prior to that, it was only a 4 team playoff serires.

And yeah, luck does have to do with the playoffs. Just like luck has to do with all sports.

Basketball has 16 out of 30 teams in their playoffs, fooball has 12 out of 32 teams, and baseball has 8 out of 30 teams...yet you're bitching about the wild card.

And there's a reason that there are playoffs series now instead of just strait to world series like it used to be. It's called entertainment factor. The playoffs are entertaining because it becomes a fight for the championship. You have to play to your fanbase. There's also the fact that screwing over a team that also had a great season but only had a few more losses than another team from being able to try and claim the world series championship is just flat out stupid and wrong. Anybody in the playoffs deserves to be there.

Also, as far as wild card teams that one it all goes. The Marlins had the third best record in all of baseball in 1997, behind the yankees and the braves. So they should automatically be left out because the braves had a better regularly season record, yet you have no problem with teams with worst records going to the playoffs? The angels had the 4th best record in 2002, Marlins had the 5th best in 2003, and the Red Soxs the third best in 2004.

Mind you, that's ALL of baseball, not just NL and AL. All of those teams were ATLEAST in the top 3 in their league. Your bitching about the wild card has no backing what so ever. Wild Card is given to good teams who get fucked out of the playoffs because they're in a division with another strong team, whereas worse teams get spots because they're in a worse division. It's not like the playoff spot is handed to the last place team, the team that gets the wild card is still one of the best teams.





And about Eckstein, this was the article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/w ... index.html

Still, I would call someone leading all lead off hitters in OBP the first half of the season (Prior to getting injured and sucking the second half) to be a good bsaeball player.

[Tyche]

Joe Torrie getting canned and being replaced by Lou Piniella. I don't get why managers get under so much fire in baseball. Out of all the sports, the manager/coach of baseball has the least amount of impact of how your team performs. Also rumored that A-rod is going to the angels for half of their starting pitching rotation.

[Viq]

Also, baseball is not very much of a team sport. The only real team aspect of it is pitcher-catcher relationship.

While baseball doesn't seem like as much of a team sport due to the lack of things like passing the ball around in basketball, I think the team aspect is there but more subtle. The pitcher-catcher relationship that you mentioned along with the shortstop-2nd base relationship are the most obvious. Then look at things like relays from the outfield, hit-and-run plays, and even basic communication on a fly-ball. All require coordination and teamwork.

It could also be argued that despite the fact only one person bats at a time, the way a line-up is organized can play to a team's strengths (which is largely the manager's doing.) Take the Red Sox line-up as an example. No one wants to pitch to David Ortiz, especially if there's a man on already. But would you rather pitch to Ortiz with a guy on second, or to Manny Ramirez with two on? Ramirez's presense alone allows Ortiz to have more at-bats and less intentional walks. One person helping another sounds like teamwork to me.

Lastly, another subtle way the team works together on offense is by working pitch counts. Sox and Yankees are top tier at this every year. Each batter does their part to see a lot of pitches in order to 1) tire the pitcher out and hope he starts being inaccurate and 2) get into the bullpen as soon as possible. Mark Bellhorn is an example of someone who was a fair infielder, sub-par batting average, but one hell of a pitch count raiser. You could expect him to strikeout 1-3 times per game, but in his 4 at-bats he would often see 25-30+ pitches. Things like this are fairly boring to watch on TV, but really go a long way towards helping the rest of the team have a better chance to score runs.

[Endo]

Joe Torrie getting canned and being replaced by Lou Piniella.

I think it has to be do with the fact that Stein pays out 194 million dollars a year and is tired of not being able to buy another world series, also if you remeber how many managers he went through back in the 80's (lol billy martin hired and fired about 15 times) he seems to be much more loyal now.

Now I dont agree I think Torre is an amazing manager and would take him on my team anyday.

Also that was funny about the angels rotation for A-Rod. He needs to leave NY asap or face the real possibility of having his career summed up in one word "Choke"