Yankees suck

[Boyiee]

not being able to buy another world series

lol he literally does do that though, and its kinda sad. The yankee's have a shitload of minor league teams so not only do they get to just flatout buy the best players in the league, but their selection of rookies is top knotch.

Yankee's need to learn how to picth again and get some more pitchers. How have the yankee's won up to now? overpowering the other teams. Each person is a slugger in the line-up, and they win by homeruns. They barely bunt, use sac-flys, or really play baseball at all. They just out hit the other team, and it just isn't working anymore.

[Akiyama]

Buy a World Series? It's been what.. since the 2000 Subway series since the last one they bought? Heh. He's not doing a good job. Go over 200mil again! That'll fix it.

[Tilo]

when did the tigers get good?

[Plow]

I can't wait until January when we see which teams barely scraped together a .500 record to make the NFL playoffs

New York W97 L65 .599
Minnesota W96 L66 .593
Oakland W93 L69 .574
Detroit W95 L67 .586

Because a team like the Yankees that can't win 60% of their games against teams with 1/10th their payroll is so much more impressive than teams which actually have to follow rules when building their rosters finishing with about the same winning percentage.

Buy a World Series? It's been what.. since the 2000 Subway series since the last one they bought? Heh. He's not doing a good job. Go over 200mil again! That'll fix it.

They're at about 210m if I remember correctly.

[Makochin]

Because a team like the Yankees that can't win 60% of their games against teams with 1/10th their payroll is so much more impressive than teams which actually have to follow rules when building their rosters finishing with about the same winning percentage.

It could've been a lot worse. Seen those Knicks lately?

[mrfridays]

Yankee fans (true Yankee fans) aren't pissed off because they feel like the team is supposed to win the World Series every year. That sense of entitlement is best left to the idiot fans (of which, I am sad to say, there are quite alot of).

True Yankee fans are pissed because the team just doesn't try in the post-season (or so it seems). I have no problem with another team beating the Yankees, they are not invincible. However, I do have a problem when the Yankees beat themselves.

Much of the blame should rest squarely on the shoulders of George Steinbrenner, and to a lesser extent Brian Cashman (for not standing up to George). Time and time again George has tried to buy a win now at the expense of a win in the future. Young talent continually gets bartered away for aging stars who have long since faded. I don't want to give up young promising talent for players that are as fragile as a hooker made of glass at a gang bang.

Why do you think the 1996-2000 Yankees were so successful? It's because George was forced to be away from the game and the Yankees built up some real talent through the farm system and watched it blossom. Jeter, Bernie, Mariano, Posada.

It's more than that though. Those teams had heart. They had soul. George just doesn't seem to understand that heart and soul can not be bought with cold hard cash.

Until George sells the team (which will never happen) or dies, the Yankees will be doomed to repeat this cycle of wasteful spending... and I will continue to be a disinfranchised and dissappointed Yankee fan.

[Viq]

I can't wait until January when we see which teams barely scraped together a .500 record to make the NFL playoffs

New York W97 L65 .599
Minnesota W96 L66 .593
Oakland W93 L69 .574
Detroit W95 L67 .586

Because a team like the Yankees that can't win 60% of their games against teams with 1/10th their payroll is so much more impressive than teams which actually have to follow rules when building their rosters finishing with about the same winning percentage.

According this this site the only team with 1/10 or lower of the Yankee payroll was the Florida Marlins, a team they played three times this year and went .667 against. So yes, a team like the Yankees CAN win 60%+ of their games against a team with 1/10 the payroll.

[Plow]

First off, I didn't mean 1/10th literally.

2nd, you just said that they lost to a freaking team with literally 1/10 of their payroll.

And they still finished with the best record in baseball.

Football teams make the playoffs with 500 records because there are no florida marlins, no royals, etc, that flat out can not put up the money to compete in the nfl. Even the worst teams out there win games because of a little thing called parity.


Also, it's funny that you bitch about them scraping in with just over 500 records. Just over 500 in football is 9-7, which is a verrrrrry similar ratio to that of even the best records entering the baseball playoffs. Where are the 130-30 teams in baseball?

[exceed]

yankees offense is fucking beastly, hell even their bench has great hitters (williams, cabrera). someone said before that the yankees keep trading away their young talent for fading stars (LOL RANDY JOHNSON, /goobye SORIANO), they need to stop that trend.

however a "great hitter" going to the hall of fame with a batting average of lets say 340 only has maybe 10% more production than someone who is considered a "bad hitter" with an average of 240. great pitching > great hitting in the playoffs

during the regular season... hitting is great, it brings the fans in day in and day out. but in the postseason with unreliable starting pitching (johnson, lidle, wright) can lose games if your playing detroit who has beastly starting pitching (rogers, verlander, vonderman) and sick middle releivers like zumaya.

don't knock the yankees for their high payroll, it's not their fault they make more money to buy better players

but yea, i am a true yankees fan, i was getting pissed when the yankees were facing elimination 8 to 1 in the top of the 8th and people like torre, giambi, sheffield looked like they didnt even care.

[Viq]

First off, I didn't mean 1/10th literally.

2nd, you just said that they lost to a freaking team with literally 1/10 of their payroll.

And they still finished with the best record in baseball.

Football teams make the playoffs with 500 records because there are no florida marlins, no royals, etc, that flat out can not put up the money to compete in the nfl. Even the worst teams out there win games because of a little thing called parity.


Also, it's funny that you bitch about them scraping in with just over 500 records. Just over 500 in football is 9-7, which is a verrrrrry similar ratio to that of even the best records entering the baseball playoffs. Where are the 130-30 teams in baseball?

Florida Marlins have won 2 of the last 10 World Series, right? That's equal to the number of victories by the #2 and #3 highest payrolls in the game over those same 10 years. Sounds to me like they can compete just fine.

As for your last point (which really isn't much of a point at all), if NFL teams are so equalized by salary cap then why are there teams with .800 records? I don't get what you're trying to argue with that one.

[Makochin]

don't knock the yankees for their high payroll, it's not their fault they make more money to buy better players

It's not the yankees fault that the salary cap in baseball seems invisible. MLB should do more to punish the teams that go over the cap as well as share some portion of revenues to help teams located in smaller markets to compete. To be honest, it is in Yankees organization's interest if MLB indeed does that, since attendance in new york doesn't relate to team success. Even if the yanks aren't winning, they should still be able to sell out the season just because of the large market.

[mrfridays]

It's not the yankees fault that the salary cap in baseball seems invisible. MLB should do more to punish the teams that go over the cap as well as share some portion of revenues to help teams located in smaller markets to compete.

Sorry, I just have to comment on this. The MLB does not have a salary cap. The MLB will never have a salary cap as long as the MLB Players Union remains the strongest players union in all of professional sports.

[Plow]

Florida Marlins have won 2 of the last 10 World Series, right? That's equal to the number of victories by the #2 and #3 highest payrolls in the game over those same 10 years. Sounds to me like they can compete just fine.

As for your last point (which really isn't much of a point at all), if NFL teams are so equalized by salary cap then why are there teams with .800 records? I don't get what you're trying to argue with that one.

So wait a sec. The #1 has 4, the #2 has 2, the #3 has 2. 8/10 championships being won by the top 3 payrolls in the league, nope, that doesn't imply anything.

As far as the last point:

I can't wait until January when we see which teams barely scraped together a .500 record to make the NFL playoffs

Also, it's funny that you bitch about them scraping in with just over 500 records. Just over 500 in football is 9-7, which is a verrrrrry similar ratio to that of even the best records entering the baseball playoffs. Where are the 130-30 teams in baseball?

Get it when you see it side by side? Probably not.

You bitched that teams get into the playoffs in the nfl without being dominant... while in actuality it's only the weakest teams that do so in the nfl, while in baseball even the best play mediocre ball during the season.

[exceed]

my answer to that is 2 or 3 posts above this one

[Makochin]

I thought they had one, or some type of luxury tax of some sort.

[Nny]

Baseball has arbitration:

We all know that arbitration is the process by which an independent third party is used to settle disputes between two or more people or organizations. But how does the process work in Major League Baseball?

Any player who has achieved three years of major league service time, but fewer than six, is automatically eligible for salary arbitration if he is not under contract. During this process, the team offers the player the salary it wants to pay. The player counters with the figure he feels he deserves. Normally, the two sides continue to negotiate and settle on a number somewhere between these two figures. If they fail to settle, however, the two sides present their cases before an independent arbitrator, who ultimately chooses one figure or the other. That number becomes the player’s salary for the following season.

Florida Marlins have won 2 of the last 10 World Series, right? That's equal to the number of victories by the #2 and #3 highest payrolls in the game over those same 10 years. Sounds to me like they can compete just fine.

The Florida Marlins had average pay rolls in those seasons. They're forever labeled as a small market club though because of the '97 and '06 fire sale.

A better example would be the Twins and the A's. Look at their pay rolls, 30% of that of the Yankees.

However, with a 17 mil pay roll, the Marlins had a .550% win percent the last 3 months of the season after only a .333% the first two months. Still very impressive. :wink:

And Exceed is right about pitching. The Yankees problems are that they get high priced pictures way past their prime (Johnsn, Brown, Wright, list goes on). Pitching is not like hitting, where hitters will get better overtime and still be able to produce in their late 30's and even 40's (Hi Julio Franco). The only pitchers you'll see that old be able to produce are finesse pitchers like Glavine, Pedro, ect., Knuckleball pitchers like Wakefield, and coming out of the bullpen instead of starting. There's a reason that Proctor went over 100 IP's out of the bullpen this year: They have nobody else besides Wang and Mussina. I'm still trying to figure out why Wang didn't start game 4...

Just look at the Marlins. They started 4 rookies and a 24 year old. Those 5 combine for an ERA of 3.77 with the average age of 22. The 5 Yankee starters, for comparison, have an average age 34 and an ERA of 4.19.

Ofcoarse, young pitchers aren't gaurenteed to be good. Although the Marlins had the best starting 5, they also had 4 spot starters start 34 games and had an ERA of 6.90, bumping the team starting ERA up to 4.22. 3 of them were 25 and under, the other 33. They also had the 7th worse bullpen ERA at 4.67, with the average age there bein 25 (With only two out of 13 being 30+).

But fact remains, you look at the top pitching staffs, you see young pitchers paving the way.

Best thing the Yankees could do is trade away 1-2 position players away and get 2-3 top pitching prospects for each. They can trade Damon, Sheffield, Matsui, or Abreu and have Cabrera start instead. There's also 1B where they have several starters (Giambi, Sheffield, Wilson [Although wouldn't be able to get much for him]). The problem? No team would want to take over their huge contracts. There's a reason that only the Yankees were in the market for Abreu. So yeah, the Yankees are pretty fucked.

As far as trading A-Rod to the Angels, I really doubt that would happen. The Angels need a 1B, they have an abundance of young, talented 2B/SS/3B. I also doubt the Yankees will trade A-Rod. The Rangers pay, like, 10 mil of his contract and all of the fuss over him is just stupid fucking media hype. He is still one of the best production players in the game.

Also, baseball is not very much of a team sport. The only real team aspect of it is pitcher-catcher relationship.

While baseball doesn't seem like as much of a team sport due to the lack of things like passing the ball around in basketball, I think the team aspect is there but more subtle. The pitcher-catcher relationship that you mentioned along with the shortstop-2nd base relationship are the most obvious. Then look at things like relays from the outfield, hit-and-run plays, and even basic communication on a fly-ball. All require coordination and teamwork.

It could also be argued that despite the fact only one person bats at a time, the way a line-up is organized can play to a team's strengths (which is largely the manager's doing.) Take the Red Sox line-up as an example. No one wants to pitch to David Ortiz, especially if there's a man on already. But would you rather pitch to Ortiz with a guy on second, or to Manny Ramirez with two on? Ramirez's presense alone allows Ortiz to have more at-bats and less intentional walks. One person helping another sounds like teamwork to me.

Lastly, another subtle way the team works together on offense is by working pitch counts. Sox and Yankees are top tier at this every year. Each batter does their part to see a lot of pitches in order to 1) tire the pitcher out and hope he starts being inaccurate and 2) get into the bullpen as soon as possible. Mark Bellhorn is an example of someone who was a fair infielder, sub-par batting average, but one hell of a pitch count raiser. You could expect him to strikeout 1-3 times per game, but in his 4 at-bats he would often see 25-30+ pitches. Things like this are fairly boring to watch on TV, but really go a long way towards helping the rest of the team have a better chance to score runs.

Yeah, I realize those and other subtle team aspects in baseball. I wasn't trying to say that there is no team work in baseball. However, it does not cmpare to other sports.

Hell, just look at the Dream Team. An All-star of basketball players and look how far it's gotten them.

[Viq]

As far as the last point:

I can't wait until January when we see which teams barely scraped together a .500 record to make the NFL playoffs

Also, it's funny that you bitch about them scraping in with just over 500 records. Just over 500 in football is 9-7, which is a verrrrrry similar ratio to that of even the best records entering the baseball playoffs. Where are the 130-30 teams in baseball?

Get it when you see it side by side? Probably not.

You bitched that teams get into the playoffs in the nfl without being dominant... while in actuality it's only the weakest teams that do so in the nfl, while in baseball even the best play mediocre ball during the season.

Perhaps this is because football doesn't have enough games in it's season to actually determine who the best teams are. Take the first 16 games of this year's baseball season and the playoffs would've had Red Sox, either Blue Jays or White Sox, and probably a difference or two in NL but I'm not as familiar with their teams' early season records. 16 games + single elimination playoffs = total bullshit. I understand it's a sport that takes a great physical toll, but so does Rugby and those guys are playing twice as many games as our whiney overpaid and overpadded football stars.

EDIT:

MLB should do more to punish the teams that go over the cap as well as share some portion of revenues to help teams located in smaller markets to compete.

MLB does have revenue sharing >.>

[Jujubie]

Detroit all the way baby.

Detroit really needs something to be happy about! It was really great to see the team celebrate with the fans!

[Po]

Go Mets.
I think they will win it. Mets v. A's in the World Series. I live in Minnesota currently and all my friends here were just goin crazy about the Twins and then they just got owned, was pretty funny tbh.
And yea I do hope Joe Torre gets fired, I'm ready for a new face in New York, and it will be good to see someone with a little emotion like Lou Piniella (sp?). Torre just looks like hes constipated all the time.

[MikedeeFenrir]

And yea I do hope Joe Torre gets fired, I'm ready for a new face in New York, and it will be good to see someone with a little emotion like Lou Piniella (sp?). Torre just looks like hes constipated all the time.

Torre doesn't show any emotion during a game, he's been this way since '96.

The Daily News had this huge write up on how Torre is going to be fired and Piniella is going to be the next manager, but Piniella has said he's heard nothing about this.

I just love how the Yankees have lost, but still get more coverage over the other teams.

As far as A-Rod goes, he just wants to be loved. I personally hate him, ever since he came to the Yankees (unlike other people who went out and bought A-Rod shirts and crap than say he sucks). Remember when Tino Martinez came to the Yankees and replaced the greatest Yankee first baseman since Lou Gehrig (I'm speaking of Don Mattingly). Tino Martinez sat through all the boos, kept his mouth shut and played, and omg, he was loved by everyone.

And A-Rod won't leave the Yankees, he knows no other team will take him that has a chance of winning a World Series *cough* Manny Ramírez, no trade clause *cough*