Famitsu Interview with FF developers

[BRP]

Hey how about we ban BRP already for being a fucktard.

By far some of the most ignorant things I have haerd you say yet BRP. Good Job keep'm coming. At this point Maxx makes way more intellegent posts than you.

Means so much coming from you, btw.

I'd still have to disagree with you sept, at least in terms of those two comparisons being alike. While I'm not as religous with this as I would be, with let's say a HNM fix or Besieged fix, I think there is too many "I win" buttons in FFXI that pretty much screw up a lot of chances of things being actually challenging.

I mean the entire concept of monsters casting magic is limited to either go-through-shadows Death spells and AoE spells, because they are laughable compared to a NIN. While Ridil could be considered unbalanced, you earn that, so I don't see a point in nerfing that(but you can quote on hoping to taking measures to prevent people dual-wielding Ridil and a sequal to Ridil), some uber-powered abilities come right out the box with almost no effort at all, at least not at this stage of the game.

If Shadow Ring is being compared with anti-magic or anti-physical armor builds, I think there is quite a bit of difference between how much you can rely on them.

No end-game situation comes to mind that would be effected a great deal with this change. Maybe a few more stuns, maybe a few more running out of range, maybe a few more close-calls when a White Mage needs to act quickly.

I don't see the point in continueing this without logical explainations of opinions, I don't get some of the sarcastic comparisons.

PS. I suppose enfeebling spells could ignore shadows and damaging spells could either wipe shadows or go through them, to make it a less harsh nerf, cause I could understand the short casting times of spells like Rasp being more annoying than it should be.

[hexagram23]

I swear Allakazham needs a "Banished To BlueGartr" card.

This is seriously the worst forum on the web for discussing anything FFXI. It's good to get scoops on info, and it's good for finding out vague facts, but when it comes to actually TALKING about what was discovered, hands down this is the worst place.

Someone will find a new interview, talking about 10 things. For 5-6 pages the same 4-5 morons will go back and forth arguing about what ONE of the TEN THINGS MEANS. Generally it's something about a Ridill, or a BLM spell, or how WAR/NIN is overpowered, or the same few topics over and fucking over.

And 9 times out of 10 it's nothing that can be proven either way. What's ironic is I posted this same article on Alla and got a partial translation in less than an hour. People have been asking about a translation here for the last 8 pages, over the last 3-4 DAYS, and people are STILL arguing about the same bullshit.

Fred.

[Khamsin]

I swear Allakazham needs a "Banished To BlueGartr" card.

This is seriously the worst forum on the web for discussing anything FFXI. It's good to get scoops on info, and it's good for finding out vague facts, but when it comes to actually TALKING about what was discovered, hands down this is the worst place.

Someone will find a new interview, talking about 10 things. For 5-6 pages the same 4-5 morons will go back and forth arguing about what ONE of the TEN THINGS MEANS. Generally it's something about a Ridill, or a BLM spell, or how WAR/NIN is overpowered, or the same few topics over and fucking over.

And 9 times out of 10 it's nothing that can be proven either way. What's ironic is I posted this same article on Alla and got a partial translation in less than an hour. People have been asking about a translation here for the last 8 pages, over the last 3-4 DAYS, and people are STILL arguing about the same bullshit.

Fred.

ZAM

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Not Kuno]

I swear Allakazham needs a "Banished To BlueGartr" card.

This is seriously the worst forum on the web for discussing anything FFXI. It's good to get scoops on info, and it's good for finding out vague facts, but when it comes to actually TALKING about what was discovered, hands down this is the worst place.

Someone will find a new interview, talking about 10 things. For 5-6 pages the same 4-5 morons will go back and forth arguing about what ONE of the TEN THINGS MEANS. Generally it's something about a Ridill, or a BLM spell, or how WAR/NIN is overpowered, or the same few topics over and fucking over.

And 9 times out of 10 it's nothing that can be proven either way. What's ironic is I posted this same article on Alla and got a partial translation in less than an hour. People have been asking about a translation here for the last 8 pages, over the last 3-4 DAYS, and people are STILL arguing about the same bullshit.

Fred.

Because it's in Japanese and requires work to translate. Instead of bitching grab a dictionary and do it your fucking self. People posted partial translations here too and found out its all choco stuff and the rest isn't really new stuff.

[spooky]

I swear Allakazham needs a "Banished To BlueGartr" card.

This is seriously the worst forum on the web for discussing anything FFXI. It's good to get scoops on info, and it's good for finding out vague facts, but when it comes to actually TALKING about what was discovered, hands down this is the worst place.

Someone will find a new interview, talking about 10 things. For 5-6 pages the same 4-5 morons will go back and forth arguing about what ONE of the TEN THINGS MEANS. Generally it's something about a Ridill, or a BLM spell, or how WAR/NIN is overpowered, or the same few topics over and fucking over.

And 9 times out of 10 it's nothing that can be proven either way. What's ironic is I posted this same article on Alla and got a partial translation in less than an hour. People have been asking about a translation here for the last 8 pages, over the last 3-4 DAYS, and people are STILL arguing about the same bullshit.

Fred.

Hi Fred, nice to meet you. If you don't like it here. GTFO.

[Guyverarmor]

I swear Allakazham needs a "Banished To BlueGartr" card.

This is seriously the worst forum on the web for discussing anything FFXI. It's good to get scoops on info, and it's good for finding out vague facts, but when it comes to actually TALKING about what was discovered, hands down this is the worst place.

Someone will find a new interview, talking about 10 things. For 5-6 pages the same 4-5 morons will go back and forth arguing about what ONE of the TEN THINGS MEANS. Generally it's something about a Ridill, or a BLM spell, or how WAR/NIN is overpowered, or the same few topics over and fucking over.

And 9 times out of 10 it's nothing that can be proven either way. What's ironic is I posted this same article on Alla and got a partial translation in less than an hour. People have been asking about a translation here for the last 8 pages, over the last 3-4 DAYS, and people are STILL arguing about the same bullshit.

Fred.

GTFO and go to zam bish. These forms are alot better than lolalla. Right now I am trying to translate some of the interview and will post later If anyone is interested. And If you want It done s fast, get a fucking Japanese--> english dictionary and do It your damn self

[BRP]

Most topics are only worth a two or three pages before every opinion has been said. Derails is what makes BG the superior forum. Every thread, even about something like how to parse high on... DRK, could turn into something awesome.

[spooky]

I'm disapointed if a topic hasn't derailed by atleast page 10. =(

[aurik]

Most topics are only worth a two or three pages before every opinion has been said. Derails is what makes BG the superior forum. Every thread, even about something like how to parse high on... DRK, could turn into something awesome.

I'd also like to note that derails is where the INTERESTING conversation happens. We aren't talking about the article because we already have a 105+ page thread for chocobo humpers.

[levish]

PS. I suppose enfeebling spells could ignore shadows and damaging spells could either wipe shadows or go through them, to make it a less harsh nerf, cause I could understand the short casting times of spells like Rasp being more annoying than it should be.

Shadows have been nerfed enough already, move onto something else like nerfing dual wield or something ... then maybe nin or /nin will be the new pup.

Changes made to shadows:

1. Check shadows before evasion for ranged attacks
2. Loose Enimity with lost shadows
3. Loose shadows on Both AOE spells and TP abilities
4. Base utsusemi loosely on ninjitsu skill

These things has made it so you are increasingly dependant on the rest of the party to maintain your shadow timers. You won't be tanking your way out of anything without elegy on the mob or slow and haste on you especially with the popularity of TP burns and the rate mobs do multi hit weaponskills and AOE spells

how that's different from ballad and/or refresh on a Paladin I don't know since lots of people think they are high maintenance.

[spooky]

how that's different from ballad and/or refresh on a Paladin I don't know since lots of people think they are high maintenance.

People don't mind the maint. on NIN because at least you get something for your proverbial money. (Only talking about meripo in this context here.)

[BRP]

Hmm, maybe it is too harsh to begin with, but I do think magic's power against NINs need to become greater. I think having spells remove 2 shadows, oppose to 1(hitting if only 1 shadow is up) and having AMs(and AM IIs) act like AoE spells, wiping shadows and hitting. Since its too late to go back in time to prevent NINs complete dominance over spells, a nerf would have to be small.

[spooky]

What with the constant nerf talk? How about oh I dunno... make other jobs just as good as or better than NIN? O_O!

[Khamsin]

Hmm, maybe it is too harsh to begin with, but I do think magic's power against NINs need to become greater. I think having spells remove 2 shadows, oppose to 1(hitting if only 1 shadow is up) and having AMs(and AM IIs) act like AoE spells, wiping shadows and hitting. Since its too late to go back in time to prevent NINs complete dominance over spells, a nerf would have to be small.

How about instead, make NINs specialize in nullifying magical damage (hey, they're supposed to be all mystical and know all sorts of fancy ninjutsu right?). Let PLDs specialize in nullifying physical damage. Afterall, their 2hour is somewhat representative of their role, and prevents physical damage, not magic damage, right?

PLD can buff up DEF and VIT to obscene levels, but can't do a thing for magic, short of +resist and -magic dmg% builds, which anyone can do.

Make Utsusemi absorb all magic, including AoEs, with just 1 shadow. Make single target physical TP moves go through shadows. Melee hits should take 2 shadows (and hit, if only 1 remains).

Sounds awesome right? No? Maybe its because this idea is just as stupid as the other way around.

[spooky]

My idea is much better. >.>

[Septimus]

What with the constant nerf talk? How about oh I dunno... make other jobs just as good as or better than NIN? O_O!

No. People who play Final Fantasy 11 are masochists who enjoy things that are tedious and painful. When the dev team talks about nerfs the player base tends to get frisky and excited, when the def team talks about buffs the player base gets frightened and anxious. Good things frighten them.

Once you learn to accept this you will be much better off.

[BRP]

Hmm, maybe it is too harsh to begin with, but I do think magic's power against NINs need to become greater. I think having spells remove 2 shadows, oppose to 1(hitting if only 1 shadow is up) and having AMs(and AM IIs) act like AoE spells, wiping shadows and hitting. Since its too late to go back in time to prevent NINs complete dominance over spells, a nerf would have to be small.

How about instead, make NINs specialize in nullifying magical damage (hey, they're supposed to be all mystical and know all sorts of fancy ninjutsu right?). Let PLDs specialize in nullifying physical damage. Afterall, their 2hour is somewhat representative of their role, and prevents physical damage, not magic damage, right?

PLD can buff up DEF and VIT to obscene levels, but can't do a thing for magic, short of +resist and -magic dmg% builds, which anyone can do.

Make Utsusemi absorb all magic, including AoEs, with just 1 shadow. Make single target physical TP moves go through shadows. Melee hits should take 2 shadows (and hit, if only 1 remains).

Sounds awesome right? No? Maybe its because this idea is just as stupid as the other way around.

Because spells are casted as often as melee attacks right?

Anyway, you make it seem a NIN would be hopeless against magic.

[Isiolia]

My idea is much better. >.>

Yeah, but the trick is that it's already predetermined that Utsusemi > all, but that we don't want that to change because we want to have our cake and eat it too.

So unless other classes suddenly start not taking damage somehow, NIN will still win by default.

[Septimus]

My idea is much better. >.>

Yeah, but the trick is that it's already predetermined that Utsusemi > all, but that we don't want that to change because we want to have our cake and eat it too.

So unless other classes suddenly start not taking damage somehow, NIN will still win by default.

No, it has been determined that we like things that are good for us. I personally enjoy 10k+ /hr XP parties. I enjoy tanks not getting three-shotted because defense and VIT mean jack all against Wyrms.

If Square was all that concerned about making Paladins the only tank job in the game, they would make defense and VIT worth something and Phalanx II into an actual Phalanx II that has twice the effect for twice the cost. (Or go back to the original version of Phalanx II which was supposed to be an AoE version of Phalanx I for 99 MP.) I like it when we can do things faster and safer; it means that they can add in even bigger challenges that have better rewards.

Oh, wait...

[Isiolia]

Sure. Don't misunderstand me and think that I actually don't *like* the way Utsu works now. I'm just saying that to meet or beat Utsusemi, either it needs to be nerfed, or other types of damage taking/mitigation need to be a LOT better than they are now, and not just on the HNM level.

'cause no matter how good they get, if it's not 0 damage taken, Utsu still wins.