Need SAM input on Soboro Sukehiro

[Lithiani]

I was a 54 nin xping on Lesser Colibris with a 55 or 56 Soboro sam. It was annoying as fuck because as soon as the mob was looking at me, the sam would run 20 feet away and Sidewinder. Not to mention the fucking Flurry spam. I was really hoping he'd take hate long enough to die, but he never did.

Unless he was meritted, he must have been 57 already. In which case your problem is being 3 levels lower than the PT level. I really hate NINjing for PTs when I'm not the level setter.

[TsingTao]

For example, I died in an xp party last night quite a few times thanks to a Kraken Club warrior fighting Skoffins (IT to 75 Wyverns).

I laughed quite a bit at this. WTF did you expect would happen when you let anyone hit a Wyvern with a K.Club? That it would spam hugs and kisses at you?

If it didn't include the words "horrible Ninja rape" you weren't thinking things through properly.

[Tordall]

Why the hell would you use Alkies on ninja? O kotes outparse them, or for that matter, level 27 hume RSE hands. More money than brains?

Back on topic, I had no problems holding hate off a samurai using one of these things, even at level 50 (on war or ninja). I've also never had a good party with someone using one though. In particular ToAU mobs don't have a set delay between their TP moves (like non ToAU mobs do). So you can get mobs going directly from TP move to TP move with only the animation delay slowing them down.

For example, I died in an xp party last night quite a few times thanks to a Kraken Club warrior fighting Skoffins (IT to 75 Wyverns). If the Skoffin did Radiant breath (high damage + silenced -> pop echo drop)-> fang rush (echo drop finishes use, removes any existing shadows, if no existing shadows, high damage taken)-> any other TP move (during Utsuemi:ni recast) I'ld die. I started checking logs and saw that there wasn't even a normal attack from the skoffin between it's TP moves.

Another (less deadly) example is that trolls can very easily go TP->TP->TP etc. since they have high delays on their TP move animations. The chain of TP spam ends when they do diamondhide since that stops them taking damage and gaining TP.

This post belongs in the r u dum thread.

Anyway, my advice is this: If you're worried about getting owned cuz of soboro, pt with a war. If they're good, not only will they still outdamage you, but can easily pull hate off when necessary.

From what I've seen soboro is just a sick sick weapon and you can parse much closer to the premier dd's with it than without.

I've just seen terrable results from otherwise very well geared samurai for a long time with this weapon. I've had several parties disband because samurai wouldn't stop using them. If you do get one and the ninjas, bards, or mages start complaining about it, I'ld have another weapon on hand.

As far as holding hate off a Samurai using one. I've leveled both my warrior & ninja with people using them. At level 50 they're pretty impressive, but when I was on my warrior I was tanking in every party from 50-64 when ninjas could start equiping arhat's gear. On ninja I'ld have to use a bit more elemental ninjitsu to hold hate off people using them until about level 66 when ninja damage picks up.

My advice might be that if you're in a pick up party with a tank you don't know, be careful. If the tank's good they'll be able to hold hate off you. However, don't expect that just by virute of having a multi-hit weapon you're gonna magically be the best DD in the party. The rest of your gear has to support it.

For the record the war using the kraken club is one of the 'rich bastards' on our server and had pretty much every purchasable A+ item avalable to him. I wasn't wearing any + enmity gear and when he'ld provoke and warcry the mobs wouldn't even think about looking at him (nor would the look at the other ninja we had).

Later I went farming with his monk (he hasn't finished CoP yet and needed a gold key). His monk seriously blew me away damage wise. His war on the other hand was 'meh' at best.

Oh and with War, Nin, and Bst at 75 with all A+ gear but Ridill...Bst/nin or Bst/war still outparses the other two. Nin/war and War/nin are about equal so far. Nin/war is really 'death by a 1000 papercuts' though (actually attacks just as many times as man/joy on war, for about the same damage, weaponskills are amazingly similiar too).

[Marcicus]

I can't really comment on the EXP side for Soboro Sukehiro. However, I remember I was playing WAR in 50cap ballista with this JP SAM/DRG that had it. I didn't even know he had it equipped; when I engaged him all my shadows dropped in a damn instant and before I knew it, I was dead.

In the right hands, Soboro isn't something to poke fun at, especially when you're on the recieving end of it.

[Falaras]

Soboro is an amazing DoT peice, that being said if your samurai is using one on a mob that has deadly TP moves its not the gkts fault is the idiot samurais fault. Like Caed Mire, no way in hell should you use one, Thickets is pretty good with it, Sky I'd use it in certain setups, ect ect. Its situational like almost every peice of gear in the game.

[Lithiani]

Soboro is an amazing DoT peice, that being said if your samurai is using one on a mob that has deadly TP moves its not the gkts fault is the idiot samurais fault. Like Caed Mire, no way in hell should you use one, Thickets is pretty good with it, Sky I'd use it in certain setups, ect ect. Its situational like almost every peice of gear in the game.

I'd use it in the mire. 3 SAM/RNG + Soboro Sukehiro + Shigeto Bow +1 = What TP move, bitch? It requires slight coordination, you have to realise that mobs above 75% HP will save TP up, but below they will use TP ASAP. Therefore you need to take an Imp from ~30% to dead in faster than a TP move can happen.

But then, the fastest XP gain in the mire requires people to do that anyway... people just don't, all too often.

[Stilgar]

I was a 54 nin xping on Lesser Colibris with a 55 or 56 Soboro sam. It was annoying as fuck because as soon as the mob was looking at me, the sam would run 20 feet away and Sidewinder. Not to mention the fucking Flurry spam. I was really hoping he'd take hate long enough to die, but he never did.

Unless he was meritted, he must have been 57 already. In which case your problem is being 3 levels lower than the PT level. I really hate NINjing for PTs when I'm not the level setter.

Meh, maybe I have the levels wrong. Maybe I was already 55 and he was 57. Or maybe he did have merits. It's not like the entire problem stems from my being 2 levels below the sam; that's actually pretty normal for my nin, and I usually hold hate decently (using High Breath). Most of the problem was his annoying use of this weapon. I'm sure it's a blast, but put that fucker away for 'normal' xp parties, please.

[Lithiani]

I was a 54 nin xping on Lesser Colibris with a 55 or 56 Soboro sam. It was annoying as fuck because as soon as the mob was looking at me, the sam would run 20 feet away and Sidewinder. Not to mention the fucking Flurry spam. I was really hoping he'd take hate long enough to die, but he never did.

Unless he was meritted, he must have been 57 already. In which case your problem is being 3 levels lower than the PT level. I really hate NINjing for PTs when I'm not the level setter.

Meh, maybe I have the levels wrong. Maybe I was already 55 and he was 57. Or maybe he did have merits. It's not like the entire problem stems from my being 2 levels below the sam; that's actually pretty normal for my nin, and I usually hold hate decently (using High Breath). Most of the problem was his annoying use of this weapon. I'm sure it's a blast, but put that fucker away for 'normal' xp parties, please.

I can sympathise on Colibri. Pecking Flurry is a swine to tank on, I've been doing it recently. I did also have to lay down the law regarding Soboro Sukehiro and Eruca, for similar reasons - and that's with Resentment Cape in play.

[Heian]

Don't do pick up PTs and you should be fine lol. I PT'd with a couple SAMs on my NIN and they used that and I didn't have any problems at all. Then again I was out parsering everyone in almost every PT I did. Except Serl that mother fucker lol he is a beast....At level 70 I popped on Alky's/O-Hat/Dual Fudo's/ect he pops on Alky's and Ridill >.> (He was a WAR at though lol)

Why the hell would you use Alkies on ninja? O kotes outparse them, or for that matter, level 27 hume RSE hands. More money than brains?

Back on topic, I had no problems holding hate off a samurai using one of these things, even at level 50 (on war or ninja). I've also never had a good party with someone using one though. In particular ToAU mobs don't have a set delay between their TP moves (like non ToAU mobs do). So you can get mobs going directly from TP move to TP move with only the animation delay slowing them down.

For example, I died in an xp party last night quite a few times thanks to a Kraken Club warrior fighting Skoffins (IT to 75 Wyverns). If the Skoffin did Radiant breath (high damage + silenced -> pop echo drop)-> fang rush (echo drop finishes use, removes any existing shadows, if no existing shadows, high damage taken)-> any other TP move (during Utsuemi:ni recast) I'ld die. I started checking logs and saw that there wasn't even a normal attack from the skoffin between it's TP moves.

Another (less deadly) example is that trolls can very easily go TP->TP->TP etc. since they have high delays on their TP move animations. The chain of TP spam ends when they do diamondhide since that stops them taking damage and gaining TP.

You know some people use weapon skill macros too. Dumbfuck.

[Julian]

I was a 54 nin xping on Lesser Colibris with a 55 or 56 Soboro sam. It was annoying as fuck because as soon as the mob was looking at me, the sam would run 20 feet away and Sidewinder. Not to mention the fucking Flurry spam. I was really hoping he'd take hate long enough to die, but he never did.

Unless he was meritted, he must have been 57 already. In which case your problem is being 3 levels lower than the PT level. I really hate NINjing for PTs when I'm not the level setter.

Meh, maybe I have the levels wrong. Maybe I was already 55 and he was 57. Or maybe he did have merits. It's not like the entire problem stems from my being 2 levels below the sam; that's actually pretty normal for my nin, and I usually hold hate decently (using High Breath). Most of the problem was his annoying use of this weapon. I'm sure it's a blast, but put that fucker away for 'normal' xp parties, please.

I can sympathise on Colibri. Pecking Flurry is a swine to tank on, I've been doing it recently. I did also have to lay down the law regarding Soboro Sukehiro and Eruca, for similar reasons - and that's with Resentment Cape in play.

Except Resentment Cape doesn't work in TOAU areas.

[XaocRamuh]

You know some people use weapon skill macros too. Dumbfuck.

BLASPHEMY!!

[Zalius]

Don't do pick up PTs and you should be fine lol. I PT'd with a couple SAMs on my NIN and they used that and I didn't have any problems at all. Then again I was out parsering everyone in almost every PT I did. Except Serl that mother fucker lol he is a beast....At level 70 I popped on Alky's/O-Hat/Dual Fudo's/ect he pops on Alky's and Ridill >.> (He was a WAR at though lol)

Why the hell would you use Alkies on ninja? O kotes outparse them, or for that matter, level 27 hume RSE hands. More money than brains?

Back on topic, I had no problems holding hate off a samurai using one of these things, even at level 50 (on war or ninja). I've also never had a good party with someone using one though. In particular ToAU mobs don't have a set delay between their TP moves (like non ToAU mobs do). So you can get mobs going directly from TP move to TP move with only the animation delay slowing them down.

For example, I died in an xp party last night quite a few times thanks to a Kraken Club warrior fighting Skoffins (IT to 75 Wyverns). If the Skoffin did Radiant breath (high damage + silenced -> pop echo drop)-> fang rush (echo drop finishes use, removes any existing shadows, if no existing shadows, high damage taken)-> any other TP move (during Utsuemi:ni recast) I'ld die. I started checking logs and saw that there wasn't even a normal attack from the skoffin between it's TP moves.

Another (less deadly) example is that trolls can very easily go TP->TP->TP etc. since they have high delays on their TP move animations. The chain of TP spam ends when they do diamondhide since that stops them taking damage and gaining TP.

You know some people use weapon skill macros too. Dumbfuck.

JUS USE BLUS AND DRKS FOR TP CONTROL.LOL

[Falaras]

Soboro does have more uses then exp/merits, if you whore out ballistas it is the unbeatable weapon in them, 50 caps it does insane damage, 60 caps you can Sidewinder often, and uncapped it shreds shadows and spams debuff WSs.

[Krandor]

I think Kayoto said he would use it on Fafnir to Self Frag for BLMs

[Machazareel]

Even with a decent amount of attack, I think a Soboro would hit a few 0s here and there on Fafhogg, making self-renkei a bit difficult to use as a reliable skillchain source.

[Krandor]

A LS member told me that, I personally would't touch the thing on Faf. TP spam aside, which would obviously suck, there's always going to be other melees there so I wouldn't really see the point of having to make self-frag, as it stands most times melees might have to slow down on skillchains a bit anyways so BLMs don't get themselves assraped.