Stage 5 - Completed Relic Weapons List

[Tekki]

5-8% of the swings. Back then it was really fun and crazy to watch. Now, with the gear I have its non-stop and simply insane. 233 delay with Double march, haste and the gear I have now, creates a nonstop set of swings. Ive even moved from pld/nin to pld/war for TP burn to take advantage of the additional effect. Its proven to outparse my own pld/nin. Like I said earlier, Im just missing a Homam body and sentinels shield (Im just being lazy with this one) to get everything a Excalibur PLD would want for drilling HNMs and pushing my TP burn setup to the limit.

At one point we were toying with the idea of me being able to single handely be the only dmg required for things like Fafnir, even with the time limit. But the problem we found, and I find in every fight, is even though the addtional effect doesn't create hate, the regular dmg does. Swinging so fast for anywhere between 1-150 a swing adds up fast. My most recent Fafnir attempt with this idea in mind (awhile ago) proved to be to difficult to simply stay alive. It was too easy to pull hate. There was no doubt I could do the required dmg in a hour, it was simply the fact Id have to have more players then I wanted supporting me. ( I wanted to small man it) Wish /brd still worked for our NINs

[aurik]

8) Good to finally see people getting the real use out of their relics. It takes more work to bring out the potential in non-shield-non-horn relics, but in the right hands they're just as impressive.

[deivi]

Full Drk Relic for Fashion I'd hope.

You'd hope, but nope.

yes, go look at some of his relic musings on KI, all will be made clear

[NynJa]

well while were on the topic of shitting on anyone who thinks that relics should only come in round gold emofaces or something for you to blow on, anyone who thinks dagger is loltastic, doesnt know how pwn a 1 hit weaponskill on a thief is.

[terraflarex]

Mandau is pretty damn awesome. Have to agree there.

[Sidanoir]

Interesting arguments...

Also with respect to stuff like Salvage , there is that horn that gives +1 to ballad...what the hell is its name can't remember....its from assault and it works in assault only, apparently Salvage counts as assault? I haven't seen it but someone told me that this was this case ....and I don't think he would have made it up as he isn't a retarded annoying nub that bullshits

If you wanted max LS efficiency nowadays and had 300M to do it...you would be far better off buying a bunch of kraken clubs, than upgrading multiple relics...
The reality is that just about any mob in the game has become trivialize by melee burning, and DRK remains the supreme choice for that....
Doing things such as dynamis lord with less than 20 is not out of the question if you have enough darks...one could argue Rangers also, but anyway I think you all get my point..


To each his own though, sometimes its not the utility of the relic but the pride and sense of accomplishment in finishing one. That being said each relic is useful to some degree, and sometimes people that blanket knock relic upgraders are a bit jealous maybe?

[LD]

hmm...
My point wasn't that Relic Weapons aren't worth it, just that the reasoning for them seeming more practical was *cough* misplaced, it's simply a sign of the times we live in. Also, that the plain fact of the matter is Aegis and Horn are still proportionately better when compared to other shields and instruments, the gap is just larger here. This doesn't necessarily allude to their usefulness in any given scenario, it does however factor in their perceived buyability and makes them seem to be a more worthwhile investment. Whether they actually are worth it is not at issue, I was more or less trying to outline the current game environment.
This is why, and unless something changes, this is why it will always be.

[Nalyr]

Also with respect to stuff like Salvage , there is that horn that gives +1 to ballad...what the hell is its name can't remember....its from assault and it works in assault only, apparently Salvage counts as assault? I haven't seen it but someone told me that this was this case ....and I don't think he would have made it up as he isn't a retarded annoying nub that bullshits

Storm Fife is Ballad +1 in assaults, and yes it does work in Salvage unless that has changed since I last went to Salvage.

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

At one point we were toying with the idea of me being able to single handely be the only dmg required for things like Fafnir, even with the time limit. But the problem we found, and I find in every fight, is even though the addtional effect doesn't create hate, the regular dmg does. Swinging so fast for anywhere between 1-150 a swing adds up fast. My most recent Fafnir attempt with this idea in mind (awhile ago) proved to be to difficult to simply stay alive. It was too easy to pull hate. There was no doubt I could do the required dmg in a hour, it was simply the fact Id have to have more players then I wanted supporting me. ( I wanted to small man it) Wish /brd still worked for our NINs

Then bring a few RidillWARs, give em a BRD and make them tank, I seriously doubt you could ever pull hate off them while fighting such a soft target and with March, Haste and Elegy the only damage they'd take would probably come from the occasional H-wings but then yeah, they'd also probably trash you on parser making your Exca look like wasted gil, so on a second thought, scratch that since it would kinda defeat the purpose lol.

[moguri]

With many linkshells putting more time/effort into instanced events like Salvage, Einherjar, Dynamis/Limbus/Assaults/etc, and less time into HNM kings/CoP wyrms... There really isn't as much of a need for a decked out Aegis PLD or a relic BRD as there used to be. Not to mention the fact that this trend of SE introducing more instanced events will likely continue.

Salvage: This is already easy enough with six people. But sure if you want to spend 200+ million to counter tank a little better or the marginal increase over the free destroyers then you can go for it.

Einherjar: You definitely need the Horn for MP regeneration since BLM kill adds quicker and so far the only issue I've heard with this is keeping MP for curing while fighting the boss.

Dynamis: I'm not going to even argue GHorn value here. BLM manaburn is the most efficient way to clear zones and can even kill dlord just as well as melee burn.

Limbus: Ultima/Omega, which are the only moderate challenges, should be done with BLM and PLD(cough*aegis*) tanking. I don't want to see any fucking melees swinging away their gimp ass shit on omega feeding it TP then crying for cures because they are a waste of a job. Also, when duoing/trioing kaiser behemoth, yeah 2x MP regeneration beats out a GKT. If you, aurik, or tekki can counter, HP build kill, or spam WS on kaiser behemoth I will recant my previous statements.

Assaults: Joke as it is, get some ridill wars and they'll still outparse anything else. No MP sinks there either.

Just sayin...

(Btw that was a moguri pwn)

[Sidanoir]

With many linkshells putting more time/effort into instanced events like Salvage, Einherjar, Dynamis/Limbus/Assaults/etc, and less time into HNM kings/CoP wyrms... There really isn't as much of a need for a decked out Aegis PLD or a relic BRD as there used to be. Not to mention the fact that this trend of SE introducing more instanced events will likely continue.

Salvage: This is already easy enough with six people. But sure if you want to spend 200+ million to counter tank a little better or the marginal increase over the free destroyers then you can go for it.

Einherjar: You definitely need the Horn for MP regeneration since BLM kill adds quicker and so far the only issue I've heard with this is keeping MP for curing while fighting the boss.

Dynamis: I'm not going to even argue GHorn value here. BLM manaburn is the most efficient way to clear zones and can even kill dlord just as well as melee burn.

Limbus: Ultima/Omega, which are the only moderate challenges, should be done with BLM and PLD(cough*aegis*) tanking. I don't want to see any fucking melees swinging away their gimp ass shit on omega feeding it TP then crying for cures because they are a waste of a job. Also, when duoing/trioing kaiser behemoth, yeah 2x MP regeneration beats out a GKT. If you, aurik, or tekki can counter, HP build kill, or spam WS on kaiser behemoth I will recant my previous statements.

Assaults: Joke as it is, get some ridill wars and they'll still outparse anything else. No MP sinks there either.

Just sayin...

(Btw that was a moguri pwn)

BTW Your pretty ignorant.

[moguri]

With many linkshells putting more time/effort into instanced events like Salvage, Einherjar, Dynamis/Limbus/Assaults/etc, and less time into HNM kings/CoP wyrms... There really isn't as much of a need for a decked out Aegis PLD or a relic BRD as there used to be. Not to mention the fact that this trend of SE introducing more instanced events will likely continue.

Salvage: This is already easy enough with six people. But sure if you want to spend 200+ million to counter tank a little better or the marginal increase over the free destroyers then you can go for it.

Einherjar: You definitely need the Horn for MP regeneration since BLM kill adds quicker and so far the only issue I've heard with this is keeping MP for curing while fighting the boss.

Dynamis: I'm not going to even argue GHorn value here. BLM manaburn is the most efficient way to clear zones and can even kill dlord just as well as melee burn.

Limbus: Ultima/Omega, which are the only moderate challenges, should be done with BLM and PLD(cough*aegis*) tanking. I don't want to see any fucking melees swinging away their gimp ass shit on omega feeding it TP then crying for cures because they are a waste of a job. Also, when duoing/trioing kaiser behemoth, yeah 2x MP regeneration beats out a GKT. If you, aurik, or tekki can counter, HP build kill, or spam WS on kaiser behemoth I will recant my previous statements.

Assaults: Joke as it is, get some ridill wars and they'll still outparse anything else. No MP sinks there either.

Just sayin...

(Btw that was a moguri pwn)

BTW Your pretty ignorant.

irony

[NynJa]

blm's can manaburn DL ? ROFL

Yeah, manaburning dynamis is GREAT. I'm sure you'll clear out a bunch of mobs. Excellent strat for those new dynamis linkshells who are still going "ZOMG KILLED AREA BOSS YAY", instead of farming for currency and AF.

I bet you like to zerg Omega and kill it as fast as possible too, right ? Who cares about pod farming.


As was stated, you are ignorant, and I'll add retarded.

[vegetaa]

With many linkshells putting more time/effort into instanced events like Salvage, Einherjar, Dynamis/Limbus/Assaults/etc, and less time into HNM kings/CoP wyrms... There really isn't as much of a need for a decked out Aegis PLD or a relic BRD as there used to be. Not to mention the fact that this trend of SE introducing more instanced events will likely continue.

Salvage: This is already easy enough with six people. But sure if you want to spend 200+ million to counter tank a little better or the marginal increase over the free destroyers then you can go for it.

Einherjar: You definitely need the Horn for MP regeneration since BLM kill adds quicker and so far the only issue I've heard with this is keeping MP for curing while fighting the boss.

Dynamis: I'm not going to even argue GHorn value here. BLM manaburn is the most efficient way to clear zones and can even kill dlord just as well as melee burn.

Limbus: Ultima/Omega, which are the only moderate challenges, should be done with BLM and PLD(cough*aegis*) tanking. I don't want to see any fucking melees swinging away their gimp ass shit on omega feeding it TP then crying for cures because they are a waste of a job. Also, when duoing/trioing kaiser behemoth, yeah 2x MP regeneration beats out a GKT. If you, aurik, or tekki can counter, HP build kill, or spam WS on kaiser behemoth I will recant my previous statements.

Assaults: Joke as it is, get some ridill wars and they'll still outparse anything else. No MP sinks there either.

Just sayin...

Protip: run. And you better be Donovan Bailey or it won't save you.

(Btw that was a moguri pwn)

Actually stay put, you had it coming.

[Sidanoir]

blm's can manaburn DL ? ROFL

Yeah, manaburning dynamis is GREAT. I'm sure you'll clear out a bunch of mobs. Excellent strat for those new dynamis linkshells who are still going "ZOMG KILLED AREA BOSS YAY", instead of farming for currency and AF.

I bet you like to zerg Omega and kill it as fast as possible too, right ? Who cares about pod farming.


As was stated, you are ignorant, and I'll add retarded.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
I'll second the retarded

You're ignorant LOL HAPPY NOW OMFG FORUM GRAMMAR NAZI THAT CAN MANBURN DYNAMIS LORD...give me a break

[Zosi]

With many linkshells putting more time/effort into instanced events like Salvage, Einherjar, Dynamis/Limbus/Assaults/etc, and less time into HNM kings/CoP wyrms... There really isn't as much of a need for a decked out Aegis PLD or a relic BRD as there used to be. Not to mention the fact that this trend of SE introducing more instanced events will likely continue.

Salvage: This is already easy enough with six people. But sure if you want to spend 200+ million to counter tank a little better or the marginal increase over the free destroyers then you can go for it.

Einherjar: You definitely need the Horn for MP regeneration since BLM kill adds quicker and so far the only issue I've heard with this is keeping MP for curing while fighting the boss.

Dynamis: I'm not going to even argue GHorn value here. BLM manaburn is the most efficient way to clear zones and can even kill dlord just as well as melee burn.

Limbus: Ultima/Omega, which are the only moderate challenges, should be done with BLM and PLD(cough*aegis*) tanking. I don't want to see any fucking melees swinging away their gimp ass shit on omega feeding it TP then crying for cures because they are a waste of a job. Also, when duoing/trioing kaiser behemoth, yeah 2x MP regeneration beats out a GKT. If you, aurik, or tekki can counter, HP build kill, or spam WS on kaiser behemoth I will recant my previous statements.

Assaults: Joke as it is, get some ridill wars and they'll still outparse anything else. No MP sinks there either.

Just sayin...

(Btw that was a moguri pwn)

It's not a "pwn" to realize that if you manaburn everything in the game, a horn that adds higher MP regeneration will be more useful than any melee relic. It's more like a "duh".

[NynJa]

It's not a "pwn" to realize that if you manaburn everything in the game, a horn that adds higher MP regeneration will be more useful than any melee relic. It's more like a "duh".

ITS JULY TWO THOUSAND AND SEVEN, NOT TWO THOUSAND FIVE.

Blm's arent the dominant source in 2007, they were, alongside Rangers, in 2005. In 2007, its the era of the melee.


Whoring out krakens is great for linkshells who are only good at
/a
/follow
/ja "Blood Weapon" <me>
/equip head "AF Helm+1" (I FORGET NAME LOL)
/ja Souleater <me>
/p afk masturbating, I'll be back in 45 seconds

and believe it or not, not everything can be Kraken Burned.

[aurik]

Having been part of both a successful manaburn and meleeburn dynamis shell, I'd have to say that until you get above 35~ people, meleeburn is clearly better. And yea manaburning dynamislord post-nerf is

[moguri]

Sure Nynja, melee is the new trend but that doesn't mean their damage magically increased over time. Hi, your mandau on tiamat still does less than any SMN or BLM, sorry but its true, when you come to terms with your wasted relic you'll quit the game just like most other relic users when they realize they were better off RMTing the gil.

Just because BLM is still the best doesn't mean its retarded. Using the most efficient job to get the job done is smart.

Re: BLM on omega: you can pod farm just as easily with blm as you can with melee. Ever heard of tier 1 nukes? cost practically nothing and still do more than your mandau.

"BLM manaburn DL ROFL": I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you honestly don't think its possible, however its been done many times before, and I think wafik's LS used to clear zones all the time and get a shit ton of currency/AF without any melee wasting spots. Only THF melee, so I guess you're still a little useful.

[Sidanoir]

Having been part of both a successful manaburn and meleeburn dynamis shell, I'd have to say that until you get above 35~ people, meleeburn is clearly better. And yea manaburning dynamislord post-nerf is

35 ga3s kills everything at once?! or you mean 35 with support