Stage 5 - Completed Relic Weapons List

[moguri]

Having been part of both a successful manaburn and meleeburn dynamis shell, I'd have to say that until you get above 35~ people, meleeburn is clearly better. And yea manaburning dynamislord post-nerf is

35 ga3s kills everything at once?! or you mean 35 with support

35 BLMs swapping a GHorn brd, or one shitty mnk with spharai. I wonder which one is more efficient use of a relic. Hmm.

[aurik]

Having been part of both a successful manaburn and meleeburn dynamis shell, I'd have to say that until you get above 35~ people, meleeburn is clearly better. And yea manaburning dynamislord post-nerf is

35 ga3s kills everything at once?! or you mean 35 with support

ga3 leads to flows and bene-mijins, it's bad sauce. Targetting IV and AM2 works much better in a vast majority of cases. But yea like 66% blackmage 33% support was about the best mix.

Oh and at that point, ghorn does shit all because you have so many mages you never, ever run out of MP.

[aurik]

Having been part of both a successful manaburn and meleeburn dynamis shell, I'd have to say that until you get above 35~ people, meleeburn is clearly better. And yea manaburning dynamislord post-nerf is

35 ga3s kills everything at once?! or you mean 35 with support

35 BLMs swapping a GHorn brd, or one shitty mnk with spharai. I wonder which one is more efficient use of a relic. Hmm.

You mean "at most 6 black mages getting an extra 4 mp a tick when their MP is already full, versus a blinktank who counters 30% without using counterstance"

[Sidanoir]

Sure Nynja, melee is the new trend but that doesn't mean their damage magically increased over time. Hi, your mandau on tiamat still does less than any SMN or BLM, sorry but its true, when you come to terms with your wasted relic you'll quit the game just like most other relic users when they realize they were better off RMTing the gil.

Just because BLM is still the best doesn't mean its retarded. Using the most efficient job to get the job done is smart.

Re: BLM on omega: you can pod farm just as easily with blm as you can with melee. Ever heard of tier 1 nukes? cost practically nothing and still do more than your mandau.

"BLM manaburn DL ROFL": I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you honestly don't think its possible, however its been done many times before, and I think wafik's LS used to clear zones all the time and get a shit ton of currency/AF without any melee wasting spots. Only THF melee, so I guess you're still a little useful.

I will leave this one to Nynja..as far as the Mandau goes LOL
But you show me an alliance of 30 which is all BLM + support beating Dynamis Lord....its not going to happen BLM get resisted to shit on him, and don't have enough MP to take him down even with Manafont with low numbers....whereas 30 melee alliance with support takes D lord down pretty easy..

Maybe 64 BLM Can beat D lord? lol

[aurik]

You need like 45+ to take down DL BLM style. He just resists way too much, and builds MDB very fast

[moguri]

I'll just make my point simple:

There aren't any fights in this game where you NEED melee to beat them (aside from KV which drops a lolmelee helmet anyway, as such worthless)

The reverse: A fight with all melee and no mages, impossible. CURE PLZZZ from the DRK/SAM or MNK/NIN (Lol) or whatever.

So anyone who wants to upgrade a relic which helps melee (lol) then go ahead, but realize you'd always be worthless and would be out probably $2000 RL dollars which you'll need for therapy when you quit and realize you wasted so much of your time that you slip into depression.

I'll be here to talk to anyone who needs to, share feelings, so forth, just hit me up on PM. I really do care.

[aurik]

Yea black mages make awesome main healers.

[Sidanoir]

BTW Moguri, I have a Gjallarhorn mule....
The only time I find myself using it is if we need a bard......hell I use his WHM and BLM for stuff sometimes over his bard....

yeah thats right, id rather have a normal BRD playing then log on the ghorn bard for 2 boxage....its just overkill and really unnecessary on most things

Only time I will 2 box it is for something like Cerb, Tiamat, Vrtra etc. where its easy to ballad and forget it...and focus on another job..

Oh yeah and it makes for fun power leveling

[Sidanoir]

I'll just make my point simple:

There aren't any fights in this game where you NEED melee to beat them (aside from KV which drops a lolmelee helmet anyway, as such worthless)

The reverse: A fight with all melee and no mages, impossible. CURE PLZZZ from the DRK/SAM or MNK/NIN (Lol) or whatever.

So anyone who wants to upgrade a relic which helps melee (lol) then go ahead, but realize you'd always be worthless and would be out probably $2000 RL dollars which you'll need for therapy when you quit and realize you wasted so much of your time that you slip into depression.

I'll be here to talk to anyone who needs to, share feelings, so forth, just hit me up on PM. I really do care.

WOW...
Comparing BLM to support mages ....right
Funny the job you have such a hard on for in BLM has no useful relic upgrade! I wonder why??

HEY ASSHOLE I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU BLM IS A DAMAGE DEALER JUST LIKE A MELEE JOB AND ALL YOU NEED TO BEAT MOBS THAT DONT REGEN IS A SURVIVABLE TANK PARTY AND A DOT SPELL.....THE ONLY NECESSARY IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT THINGS NORMAL WAYS IS TANKS + THEIR SUPPORT....

But I guess you would rather Manaburn Bahamut 2 than Melee burn it right? Would rather kite nuke kirin then totally rape him in 2 mins? Been there done that..no more

[moguri]

BTW Moguri, I have a Gjallarhorn mule....
The only time I find myself using it is if we need a bard......hell I use his WHM and BLM for stuff sometimes over his bard....

yeah thats right, id rather have a normal BRD playing then log on the ghorn bard for 2 boxage....its just overkill and really unnecessary on most things

Only time I will 2 box it is for something like Cerb, Tiamat, Vrtra etc. where its easy to ballad and forget it...and focus on another job..

Oh yeah and it makes for fun power leveling

Overkill? You have too many people then. Stop recruiting the whole server.

Play ballad and easy to forget? Need to focus more on swinging that scythe? I mean I know its hard never having to cure yourself, cure anyone else, debuff, enfeeble, or in general pay attention to anything thats going on before 100 TP. Hard life melee lead

[moguri]

I'll just make my point simple:

There aren't any fights in this game where you NEED melee to beat them (aside from KV which drops a lolmelee helmet anyway, as such worthless)

The reverse: A fight with all melee and no mages, impossible. CURE PLZZZ from the DRK/SAM or MNK/NIN (Lol) or whatever.

So anyone who wants to upgrade a relic which helps melee (lol) then go ahead, but realize you'd always be worthless and would be out probably $2000 RL dollars which you'll need for therapy when you quit and realize you wasted so much of your time that you slip into depression.

I'll be here to talk to anyone who needs to, share feelings, so forth, just hit me up on PM. I really do care.

WOW...
Comparing BLM to support mages ....right
Funny the job you have such a hard on for in BLM has no useful relic upgrade! I wonder why??

HEY ASSHOLE I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU BLM IS A DAMAGE DEALER JUST LIKE A MELEE JOB AND ALL YOU NEED TO BEAT MOBS THAT DONT REGEN IS A SURVIVABLE TANK PARTY AND A DOT SPELL.....THE ONLY NECESSARY IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT THINGS NORMAL WAYS IS TANKS + THEIR SUPPORT....

But I guess you would rather Manaburn Bahamut 2 than Melee burn it right? Would rather kite nuke kirin then totally rape him in 2 mins? Been there done that..no more

Wow, remember how horn helps both BLM AND support jobs? Yeah I remember that too.
"HEY ASSHOLE I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU BLM IS A DAMAGE DEALER JUST LIKE A MELEE JOB "
Except that BLMs actually do damage, which is a strict requirement for the title "damage dealer"

[Sidanoir]

BTW Moguri, I have a Gjallarhorn mule....
The only time I find myself using it is if we need a bard......hell I use his WHM and BLM for stuff sometimes over his bard....

yeah thats right, id rather have a normal BRD playing then log on the ghorn bard for 2 boxage....its just overkill and really unnecessary on most things

Only time I will 2 box it is for something like Cerb, Tiamat, Vrtra etc. where its easy to ballad and forget it...and focus on another job..

Oh yeah and it makes for fun power leveling

Overkill? You have too many people then. Stop recruiting the whole server.

Play ballad and easy to forget? Need to focus more on swinging that scythe? I mean I know its hard never having to cure yourself, cure anyone else, debuff, enfeeble, or in general pay attention to anything thats going on before 100 TP. Hard life melee lead

YUP CAUSE PEOPLE COULD NEVER SMALL MAN MOBS PRE GJALLARHORN you're really fucking ignorant you know that..
You must be one of those thick headed flaming liberals that helped fuck up this country

edit: I am going to stop now and not reply to this retard anymore further derailing the great relic thread...

[aurik]

I'll just make my point simple:

There aren't any fights in this game where you NEED melee to beat them (aside from KV which drops a lolmelee helmet anyway, as such worthless)

The reverse: A fight with all melee and no mages, impossible. CURE PLZZZ from the DRK/SAM or MNK/NIN (Lol) or whatever.

So anyone who wants to upgrade a relic which helps melee (lol) then go ahead, but realize you'd always be worthless and would be out probably $2000 RL dollars which you'll need for therapy when you quit and realize you wasted so much of your time that you slip into depression.

I'll be here to talk to anyone who needs to, share feelings, so forth, just hit me up on PM. I really do care.

WOW...
Comparing BLM to support mages ....right
Funny the job you have such a hard on for in BLM has no useful relic upgrade! I wonder why??

HEY ASSHOLE I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU BLM IS A DAMAGE DEALER JUST LIKE A MELEE JOB AND ALL YOU NEED TO BEAT MOBS THAT DONT REGEN IS A SURVIVABLE TANK PARTY AND A DOT SPELL.....THE ONLY NECESSARY IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT THINGS NORMAL WAYS IS TANKS + THEIR SUPPORT....

But I guess you would rather Manaburn Bahamut 2 than Melee burn it right? Would rather kite nuke kirin then totally rape him in 2 mins? Been there done that..no more

Wow, remember how horn helps both BLM AND support jobs? Yeah I remember that too.
"HEY ASSHOLE I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU BLM IS A DAMAGE DEALER JUST LIKE A MELEE JOB "
Except that BLMs actually do damage, which is a strict requirement for the title "damage dealer"

Don't know about you, but the support people I take are fully capable of keeping us melee fully cured without a g.horn. I guess you have shitty support if you really need that 80 mp a minute extra from g.horn to keep your black mages alive.

[Judai]

BLM is so over rated in most situations. Melee jobs have taken huge steps in damage dealing.

[moguri]

Don't know about you, but the support people I take are fully capable of keeping us melee fully cured without a g.horn. I guess you have shitty support if you really need that 80 mp a minute extra from g.horn to keep your black mages alive.

Yeah, I guess if I didn't do HNMs either (like you) then I wouldn't need GHORN either. I mean, I'm sure spharai pwn on KS30, BC99 uncapped, pre-emptive strike assault, things like that. Then yeah, rock out that DD man.

[aurik]

Don't know about you, but the support people I take are fully capable of keeping us melee fully cured without a g.horn. I guess you have shitty support if you really need that 80 mp a minute extra from g.horn to keep your black mages alive.

Yeah, I guess if I didn't do HNMs either (like you) then I wouldn't need GHORN either. I mean, I'm sure spharai pwn on KS30, BC99 uncapped, pre-emptive strike assault, things like that. Then yeah, rock out that DD man.

They do own shit on anything that is conducive to melee 8) That's exactly my point. Sure, there's situations where they aren't as useful as other relics, but in a large swath of the game they're extremely potent.

[Zosi]

Don't know about you, but the support people I take are fully capable of keeping us melee fully cured without a g.horn. I guess you have shitty support if you really need that 80 mp a minute extra from g.horn to keep your black mages alive.

Yeah, I guess if I didn't do HNMs either (like you) then I wouldn't need GHORN either. I mean, I'm sure spharai pwn on KS30, BC99 uncapped, pre-emptive strike assault, things like that. Then yeah, rock out that DD man.

Nobody NEEDS a Gjallerhorn, just like nobody NEEDS BLMs for fights, except apparently your LS. Get over yourself, you're not special because you can manaburn.

[Shuemue]

Don't know about you, but the support people I take are fully capable of keeping us melee fully cured without a g.horn. I guess you have shitty support if you really need that 80 mp a minute extra from g.horn to keep your black mages alive.

Yeah, I guess if I didn't do HNMs either (like you) then I wouldn't need GHORN either. I mean, I'm sure spharai pwn on KS30, BC99 uncapped, pre-emptive strike assault, things like that. Then yeah, rock out that DD man.

lol, ignorance is amusing.

[moguri]

BLM is so over rated in most situations. Melee jobs have taken huge steps in damage dealing.

Sorry, I must have missed something, but when did melee jobs take HUGE steps in damage? I don't recall there being any significantly new gear that was any better than the 2005 gear that was released. Magic? I guess. I mean unless you're talking about awesome lv 2 merits melee get like TOMAHAWK and DIABOLIC EYE and MUTED SOUL, oh and who could forget FORMLESS STRIKES that make monks pwn, even though magic resist for it builds up before it wears off. Hmm.................................. >.<

[aurik]

BLM is so over rated in most situations. Melee jobs have taken huge steps in damage dealing.

Sorry, I must have missed something, but when did melee jobs take HUGE steps in damage? I don't recall there being any significantly new gear that was any better than the 2005 gear that was released. Magic? I guess. I mean unless you're talking about awesome lv 2 merits melee get like TOMAHAWK and DIABOLIC EYE and MUTED SOUL, oh and who could forget FORMLESS STRIKES that make monks pwn, even though magic resist for it builds up before it wears off. Hmm.................................. >.<

Melee jobs have always been great at dealing damage, it's just taken the playerbase a long time to realize this. And apparently, you're one of the last few to wake up to the melee-burn revolution.