Stage 5 - Completed Relic Weapons List

[TsingTao]

Ruke, would it be possible when you get some time (haha, right?) to do a LJ entry for your Samurai? Something akin to your excellent Ninja post with gear, macros, etc.

I'll never match your gear but I bet I can tweak the way I work what I've got a bit when playing SAM.

[Tekki]

Does the relic modifier proc on multi-hit WSs? I havent seen it myself but then again ive been KoR happy for the past 10 hrs

[divisortheory]

Does the relic modifier proc on multi-hit WSs? I havent seen it myself but then again ive been KoR happy for the past 10 hrs

I don't think it procs on ANY ws to be honest. only standard attacks.

[Dbill]

They don't Proc on WS's or any WS. I was saying on Relic WS. Your base attack x 3.0 or 2.0 or 2.5 = WS damage without buffs/SATA. Just seems to me that alot of pics of the WS damage = some of that. More attack greater the WS damage.

[Faranim]

They don't Proc on WS's or any WS. I was saying on Relic WS. Your base attack x 3.0 or 2.0 or 2.5 = WS damage without buffs/SATA. Just seems to me that alot of pics of the WS damage = some of that. More attack greater the WS damage.

I had to read this like 4 times before I understood what you're saying. Or maybe I was saying. I read it four times. But didn't get it. And now I do.

Either way, it's definately not as simple as Attack Stat x3 = WS damage!!!

[Dbill]

I ment on xp mobs, not on HNM

[RKenshin]

Just a complete random thought. Does your base attack say 496 come into play with the amount you WS with the Modifier like 3.0 or 2.5 or 2.0 something like that, without buffs or SA, brd, etc.

Because I have been seeing most relic WS's hit between 800-1400 without thf subbed.

I don't really know all the details on the WS and damage equations, I have a rough idea of how it works but have no clue how to explain it all. I'm kind of curious about this as well.

Ruke, would it be possible when you get some time (haha, right?) to do a LJ entry for your Samurai? Something akin to your excellent Ninja post with gear, macros, etc.

I'll never match your gear but I bet I can tweak the way I work what I've got a bit when playing SAM.

A few people asked me this now actually, and this is kind of why I haven't made any kind of LJ update yet. I'm planning to just make a NIN-like SAM update that includes results from the GK's performance and all the stuff about gear/macros I use for SAM and such.

But, again only problem being time... Semester is nearing the close so I have a lot of final tests/projects/presentations that are first priority.

I'm working on a layout now in some spare time though. Anything specific in particular you want to see in it other than what I've mentioned? lol

[divisortheory]

I'm working on a layout now in some spare time though. Anything specific in particular you want to see in it other than what I've mentioned? lol

How strong is the Attack Down?
Does Attack Down stack with Demon Arrows?
Does Attack Down stack with Dreizack?
Does Attack Down stack with Bio? How about Bio II? How about Bio III?
How about combination of the above?
Can you reach the "Attack Down Cap" with all the above things stacked?
If so, what is that cap?

[RKenshin]

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Is it too late to retract that question? D:

[TsingTao]

I'm working on a layout now in some spare time though. Anything specific in particular you want to see in it other than what I've mentioned? lol

Other than Relic details (which others will bomb you with) I'll leave the formatting and info to your discression. In general if it's along the same lines as your other post I'll be happy.

Whenever you get to it, I remember semester end fun (barely, it's been a while) from college.

Thanks!

[divisortheory]

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Is it too late to retract that question? D:

lol most of that stuff is easy as heck to test in Ballista.

- Go in there with a naked WHM and hit him till he gets Attack Down effect. Write down before and after results
- Now take a stacked DRK and hit him till he gets Attack Down. Write down before and after results. (This is to see if there's a cap, like with food).

After you've done that, all of the following tests can be done with just the DRK, since you've pretty much already established whether the effect from the GK has its own isolated cap.

Demon + Amano
Dreizack + Amano
Bio + Amano
Bio II + Amano
Bio III + Amano
Dreizack + Demon + Bio III + Amano

All you have to do is write down before and after Att values, and that's it.

[Moochi]

Terror Touch. 8)

[RKenshin]

Ok, another exp PT... And I'm thinking this combo just might be the strongest damage output possible in a PT (if not one of the top 3), although depending on how you play it's probably not the most MP efficient. I'll have details sometime later...

But yeah, now my highest is 1828 as SAM/WAR... Average still 1-1.2k.

I still can't believe how strong this is, way more than I ever even expected.

[Kirschy]

Grats on the GKT... I gotta say though... I'm amazed youre able to pull out so much damage and live through the hate. Granted Seigan/Third Eye tanking is pretti amazing, how often are you dying, and how are your mages keeping you up?

[Lithiani]

Ok, another exp PT... And I'm thinking this combo just might be the strongest damage output possible in a PT (if not one of the top 3), although depending on how you play it's probably not the most MP efficient. I'll have details sometime later...

But yeah, now my highest is 1828 as SAM/WAR... Average still 1-1.2k.

I still can't believe how strong this is, way more than I ever even expected.

I suspect you have the gear to back it up. The people who always seem disappointed in the Relic weapons are those who expect a relic weapon alone to automatically turn them into jesus.

[Dbill]

Grats on the GKT... I gotta say though... I'm amazed youre able to pull out so much damage and live through the hate. Granted Seigan/Third Eye tanking is pretti amazing, how often are you dying, and how are your mages keeping you up?

Just like Lord he usually probably is the tank 85% of the time with so much hate build. He could probably solo the mobs anyway if he tried.

[TsingTao]

Ok, another exp PT... And I'm thinking this combo just might be the strongest damage output possible in a PT (if not one of the top 3), although depending on how you play it's probably not the most MP efficient. I'll have details sometime later...

But yeah, now my highest is 1828 as SAM/WAR... Average still 1-1.2k.

I still can't believe how strong this is, way more than I ever even expected.

I suspect you have the gear to back it up. The people who always seem disappointed in the Relic weapons are those who expect a relic weapon alone to automatically turn them into jesus.

He most certainly does have the gear to back it up. Nonetheless that 1828 number is pretty damn impressive as Sam/War.

[Dbill]

He most certainly does have the gear to back it up. Nonetheless that 1828 number is pretty damn impressive as Sam/War.

Hell yes, for a one hit WS that doesn't require the help of /thf and 300TP that's just sick.

1828x3 WS at 100Tp = 5484 (3 WS with relic at 100TP) vs. 1 WS at 300TP of same amount (1828) of a non-relic weapon.

All relic weapons are poweful in their own right if done correctly.

[Eggroll]

Mightve been asked already but how long did it take to get your amanomurakumo RKenshin? Seems like you got it faster then aurik

[RKenshin]

Grats on the GKT... I gotta say though... I'm amazed youre able to pull out so much damage and live through the hate. Granted Seigan/Third Eye tanking is pretti amazing, how often are you dying, and how are your mages keeping you up?

Thanks, and yeah I thought the same at first.

In the 2 exp sessions and 1 Limbus run I've been on using it I've only died once, and that wasn't even because of the damage. We had like 3 links and the BRD had just left, and two of the mobs went for the RDM (our only sleep) so I provoked the Mamool and used Warcry to get the attention of the Skoffin, which also got the attention of the Puk we were fighting... MP was low so I didn't live very long after that. D:

I'm actually pretty disappointed with Seigan overall, it's _very_ unreliable sometimes (ie, using it and having it absorb only once and 25 seconds left for next use) and if you try to rely on it you'll often end up in trouble.

In the end though, mobs just die so fast that it hasn't really been a problem. Seigan usually buys enough time even when it sucks, and otherwise I macro all the defense gear my NIN can wear and it cuts damage in half (-40% damage taken and a decent amount of def/VIT) especially with attack down, which lands on about every other mob on average.

I was considering subbing NIN for a bit though, even if recast timers are screwed it would help save some MP, since I can be a bit of a sponge sometimes. D:

Just like Lord he usually probably is the tank 85% of the time with so much hate build. He could probably solo the mobs anyway if he tried.

I do that sometimes when Meditate is up... lol

I get Seigan up first, then hit Meditate and WS and 90% of the time with the haste gear and low delay I'll get to 100 TP fast enough to finish light. Then I'll usually get enough for a third WS not too long after if the mob lives.

It kinda sucks in a way though, every 2h I used attempting to make a double light the mob would die before I could finish. Only managed to barely do it once on a Mamool when I let my buffs wear beforehand.

Mightve been asked already but how long did it take to get your amanomurakumo RKenshin? Seems like you got it faster then aurik

Policy for upgrading in my LS is different from most. Basically, you finish the first two upgrades on your own funds to show you're really serious about it, then it's voted on who's next, and the LS supports you the rest of the way.

All together there are like 3 Dynamis linkshells stemming off of BtL, so currency comes in very fast. This would technically make the 8th relic I think. I started collecting in Spring and I think I finished by about May, and in the end the most limiting factor was the stupid fragment and not the currency.