Stage 5 - Completed Relic Weapons List

[Akroma_Seraph]

and u dont always have shadows up..

Well, Basically I was trying to get across the point that shield is not less powerful just because you sub ninja.. :/

[Eaglestrike]

And you don't always have mp problems...making the horn not as useful.

[Navia]

That said, you should upgrade the person rather than the relic. That is to say, the relic you get should be given based on someone's dedication rather than his/her job. A horn that never shows up is worse than a claustrum that is only worn in town.

The guy in my dynamis LS upgrading spear lives and breathes the DRG job.
I have to respect that, his Gugnir when finished will always be put to use whenever he's online.

I can't be the only one that feels like they will be forever locked into one job when relic is completed. Anyone supporting a relic upgrader doesn't want their efforts to be in vain, sticking to playing just their 'relic job' whenever possible is something we'd do out of respect.

[Rosencrantz]

Stregah on Remora got Mandau.

[chiz]

Personally I think that horn>shield>gkt>dagger for the top 4 relics.

I'd throw Bow > Gun in there too. Bow has an edge over Gun for sure (Sidewinder, PPA, and SAM can use it) but I know some Gun fan is gonna come running in here about the enmity decrease from Coronach so meh.

As for which relic to do.....just depends really. If the relic is LS funded, you may feel obligated to upgrade one of the event-focused relics like horn or shield. If its personally funded with LS help, upgrade one that you can use at events and for fun. When I mean fun, something you can use when you're on the job you enjoy playing the most at any time whether its HNMs, EXP, farming, BCNMs, whatever.

And like others said, if its LS funded, upgrade based on the person and not the relic. Any relic is better than a "useful" relic that is never used or the person doesn't play much.

[RKenshin]

UPDATELJNOW

It's done you bitches.

Posted all the info about Amanomurakumo and SAM... Now I'm going to go pass out.

[Ishido]

UPDATELJNOW

It's done you bitches.

Posted all the info about Amanomurakumo and SAM... Now I'm going to go pass out.

Good job, now we just have to wait another 2-3 months for another accomplishment so we can beg for another!

[TP]

Hmm, was this thread pruned by any chance? My marker seems to have moved. Not that it's a big deal. Just manually looked for where it left off, but I do have little text notes next to certain entries to point out what page to find certain info and/or pics, which have probably been messed up.

[Moochi]

And you don't always have mp problems...making the horn not as useful.

More hate for the PLDs means more efficient and faster kills.

[Eaglestrike]

And you don't always have mp problems...making the horn not as useful.

More hate for the PLDs means more efficient and faster kills.

In my (fairly limited) pld/nin tanking experience firsthand, I only had mp problems when things were going poorly (like say KS99 in the air with 3 blms and getting spammed with his attacks and huge AOE tp moves) otherwise I had plenty of mp and kept hate balanced with the person I was sharing hate with. I also didn't have a 2nd brd for ballad at all. Pld/nin can have 8mp/tick before relic horn (brd, refresh, auto refresh, parade gorget) and 9mp/tick for the new HNM's coming to ToAU. That's already a lot of mp. So depending on your LS setup an extra 3mp/tick might not actually help your pld's if they're unable to do extra curing with it. But like I said "don't always have mp problems" sometimes that 3mp/tick would be really nice and sometimes I can see it not being so, therefore being less effective and gives shield/gkat more of an argument.

[Delekii]

Get a mage to continuously swap in and out of latent gear and get the PLD to cure them over and over - you can always spend more MP.

[Eaglestrike]

At that point...would the hate make a difference?

[Eternus]

Horn is 4 more MP a tick btw, I am sure Eaglestrike just was mistaken about the whole only 3 more MP a tick thing.

(1+2) + (2+2) = for a grand total of 7 mp a tick

That benefits the entire tank party PLD/NIN PLD/NIN PLD/NIN BRD RDM WHM (if thats your setup) if you added an extra BRD you could do the whole glitch with 5 BRD songs also, making it more overpowered. Really you wouldn't even need a WHM in the party at that point as the PLDs would be easily able to main heal themselves with that much MP + marches. SV gets you 14 MP a tick which would be overkill probably.

The only problem is finding a BRD that cares enough about the job to upgrade the horn lol.

[Lordwafik]

you mean finding a bard who doesn't want to be locked into his job

[Eternus]

you mean finding a bard who doesn't want to be locked into his job

lol if they don't want to be locked into BRD then why would they upgrade relic. That basically makes you play BRD. Plenty of BRD out there that do not want to be locked into the job. Easier to find someone who is excited about playing PLD or SAM full time.

[TsingTao]

UPDATELJNOW

It's done you bitches.

Posted all the info about Amanomurakumo and SAM... Now I'm going to go pass out.

Firstly...thanks!

Second...holy hell at those parser results.

[Kirschy]

Tested Catastrophe out this afternoon. It's for sure INT/AGI mods...

DRK/THF : Hume F
Red Curry Only
Attack: 482
STR: 79+7
DEX: 70
VIT: 66
AGI: 66+2
INT: 68-1
MND: 51
CHR: 51

Sneak Attack + Catastrophe:

Base Cap 1368
INT+27 1443
AGI+27 1441
INT&AGI+27 1487

Snow Gorget doesn't affect Catastrophe :/ (Guess I need to go grab a new gorget :/)

I recorded the first 70 hits until I got lazy and stopped.
Total: 70
Normal Hits Ranged: 206-289
Relic Procs: 7
Crits: 15

Critical Cap: 366
Relic Proc + Crit Cap: 732

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

This is why I have hope for Gungnir and Apoc. They may not have the acceptance now, but honestly they have a lot of what makes the amano good. Guillo with Apoc will be around the same damage as Kaiten and DRK/WAR can definately keep up with that DoT.

[LewisTaruSamuwai]

Otoko got mandau on seraph dunno if this been said already.

[Eaglestrike]

This is why I have hope for Gungnir and Apoc. They may not have the acceptance now, but honestly they have a lot of what makes the amano good. Guillo with Apoc will be around the same damage as Kaiten and DRK/WAR can definately keep up with that DoT.

In exp sure Guillotine should do more damage than Kaiten, but Kaiten is going to be awesome for HNM's where relic doesn't given that to DRG and DRK, who also don't have the tp gain or Overwhelm.

I don't see Gungnir making much difference at all, unless the defense down makes a difference for HNM fights.

Another reason Amano is a huge improvement is because SAMs use Hagun a lot, which is 75DMG, so they get a huge 13 point damage bonus to their weapon. Gungnir/Apoc are only a few points (Apoc is...+4 DMG over the next best DMG scythe?) advantage over their other weapons. You won't see the improvement you see with Rukenshin's Amano in the other weapons. Partly because of the points stated above and partly because you don't have his gear that makes Amano own even more.