Stage 5 - Completed Relic Weapons List

[BerenTebogo]

AFK idling in a terrible weapon combo and gear that doesn't make sense, hope people don't SS me and my relic.

I'm ready to agree to disagree, since no amount of arguing will convince me that this NIN is some how a star player behind that crap gear (my koga chainmail is sitting in my mog for months and months where it belongs) because it's not going to change my view on it one bit. Maybe I'm too elitist for the elitist forums omg

And yeah, the DRG is amazing

Edit: And to be honest demo, maybe if more players had as much versatility in their gear as you do, and didn't slack fucking ass, I wouldn't be so pessimistic, but there has been a HUGE influx of absolute dumbasses / gimps with relic lately and i've had my fill +1

[Slott]

This is a stupid argument that accomplishes nothing. I dick around in full denali in town, walking around, being retarded in aery, dynamis or whatever until a mob is pulled. It serves no purpose to call people out on their gear unless they're actually engaged in/on something. I also don't really see what's wrong with that gear set up. Tanking certain NMs as a thief, I wear mandau/thf knife/ungur boomerang, denali hat, love torque, suppa, brutal, homam body hands legs feet, toreador ring, rajas, boxers, speed belt. It's not a full evasion set up, hate isnt an issue since the redmage i duo with has enough -enmity, and its also not a dd/tp set up. It's in between evasion and haste, because it allows me to do a good amount of damage while having enough -evasion so that I don't need to gimp myself, and proper haste so that I can blink properly and not flash in and out every 3 seconds. I see this nin wearing ungur boomerang boxers and denali hat and think about how it's similar to my set up for tanking.

Hell I typically afk in town like that too after farming (with skadi feet on so i look even gimper *OMGZ MY HOMAM FEET ARENT ON /gimp*)

My DD/TP/WS sets wouldn't be efficient for certain things I tank, nor would a full evasion set up. Maybe the nin doesn't have to hold hate off many other people, just a duo mage that he just got back from farming with. So again, before commenting on peoples gear, make sure it's what they really wear in the situation you described (tp/dd). Seems retarded to have the same shit come up every 4th relic that gets posted.

edit: Don't let robin's gear fool you. He's still king of the gimps :D

edit2: Keep in mind the kikoku owner didn't even post their relic. It was someone else that took the screenshot, most likely when that nin was unaware. Comparing it to the "post your gear" thread, where you could have been picked apart on your own gear that you posted incorrectly, I think you should get the point. You who had control over the gear you posted STILL posted incorrect items and had to fix the screenshots twice(?I think it was twice) compared to this nin who doesn't even get a chance to do that since someone else posted their gear. Just let it go chief, it isn't worth fighting over :]

[BerenTebogo]

Hey if you're right, I'll be the first to shove my foot so far down my throat I'll shit toenails.

Fact remains that the current trend of Kikoku posts have been atrocious, and it's not a huge leap of logic to assume that this pretty far out there combo of shit is just a little too obscure to be part of some master plan, while waiting for dynamis. Am I taking the glass half empty approach? Yep. But when half of this board are filled with people TPing in hecatomb, screenshots of people describing the perfect 5 hit setup for SAM based on 'taking a hit because you pulled hate' it just isn't a huge deal for me to assume this person probably doesn't know their head from their ass.

It's a stupid argument, they could post their gear here right now and shut me the hell up, they don't have to, they don't owe me anything, but once your shit shows up on BG it's pretty much an invite to be flamed because there are plenty of people sans-relic who have much better gear for said job than the person in the SS we're looking at.

At the very least, over time, it gets VERY annoying.

[Neosutra]

You guys are getting really upset about us trashing someone in shit gear. We already said we gave him he benefit of the doubt but statistically speaking he probably is just another fuckwad who wasted currency on a weapon he will never get the most out of.

If you lack the intestinal fortitue to listen to -legitimate- critiques on what is obviously not town gear, then dont post in this thread.

You rushed here to post a pic of your friend's finished relic, wearing some of the shittiest stuff he can, and then get really upset when we all go 'wtf'.

I am trying to even add up what combo of gear he would get 16% haste out of, and thats even just at night. (Guess he doesnt use dusk during daytime).

Maybe he actually has a decent DD build, or a decent eva build, or a decent WS build, or a decent anything. Maybe he just likes to start dynamis is weird shit. Who knows. There is a difference in walking around in a random assortmant of town gear that you like or just random stupid shit and actually using a random assortment of stupid shit which this guy probably does.

Get off your soap box.

[Max™]

I think the Drg should be wielding the Taru, enemies would give up from the cutness.

:ashira:

I did tell Xanthe to get his shell to sponsor a Gungnir for him, he has (damn near) everything else he could want for Drg (hi2u4/5 Are's/homam/love/blahblahblah) and it would be neat to see a pimp Drg with it... guess he got beaten though.

As for town gear... well...

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6...042329azn6.jpg

SH to show off the hilarious crotch/butt with the clown subligar for my /Dnc waltz macros, heca feet/alky's cause I'm proud of them/no dusk slow, Gob hat, cause goddamn! look at it!

[Arthars]

i dont know whats going on here really

but sath want me to post

i dont know what they for tho, but i'll just post because i think sath is cool LOL j/k

http://mectradegroup.com/FFXI/nintp.JPG

http://mectradegroup.com/FFXI/ninws.JPG

sath, tell me what your up to prz......

or you trying to make me post about how gimp i am -_-

[BerenTebogo]

Slight difference between warwolf belt full time.

Only if you look really closely though, its hard to see, but I promise you it's there.

[Neosutra]

Quite the opposite of gimp, but finish your Usu set Arthars.

[Xanthe]

In regards to Gungnir, it's certainly not bad. You won't be able to notice a HUGE difference with it, but considering DRG is one of the best DD's in the game going by an all-around standpoint, I don't think you can really knock it. Relic ws needs to be changed before it can beat Penta, but it's not like Penta is a bad ws anyway.

I think an upgrade from a Mezraq's D93 (WRank 10) to Gungnir's D100 (WRank 11) and +20 Acc would actually be fairly noticeable. Assuming all maximized values on a critical hit (3.12 pDIF) that would be 346 damage (432 piercing-weak) with a Mezraq vs 371 (463) damage with a Gungnir, a difference of 25 (31) damage or 7.23% (7.18%) per hit. Sounds like a significant difference to me.

If the WS modifier on Geirskogul was STR instead of AGI it would be a suitable Endgame WS, having the same mods as Tachi: Kaiten or Mercy Stroke (3.0 fTP @100%, 60% STR), but with a higher damage weapon. By a suitable Endgame WS I mean a WS with 1-hit and high modifiers to ensure consistent and strong damage. It still wouldn't be quite as good as Penta Thrust on merit mobs, but that's not really an issue as things stand anyway.

That's my take on things and I probably put a little too much thought into it, but hey, I love my job.

I did tell Xanthe to get his shell to sponsor a Gungnir for him, he has (damn near) everything else he could want for Drg (hi2u4/5 Are's/homam/love/blahblahblah) and it would be neat to see a pimp Drg with it... guess he got beaten though.

Sure I'd love to have an LS-sponsored relic, but I don't feel that's something you really ask for... An LS-funded relic is a reward for all of your contributions and something that gives back to the LS as well. So yeah, no complaints if I get sponsored some day (LOL at that happening), I just don't see it as a realistic expectation.

[Arthars]

Quite the opposite of gimp, but finish your Usu set Arthars.

i been spamming turtles as much as i can

but no drop since last august

yup im pissed XD

[Eaglestrike]

In regards to Gungnir, it's certainly not bad. You won't be able to notice a HUGE difference with it, but considering DRG is one of the best DD's in the game going by an all-around standpoint, I don't think you can really knock it. Relic ws needs to be changed before it can beat Penta, but it's not like Penta is a bad ws anyway.

I think an upgrade from a Mezraq's D93 (WRank 10) to Gungnir's D100 (WRank 11) and +20 Acc would actually be fairly noticeable. Assuming all maximized values on a critical hit (3.12 pDIF) that would be 346 damage (432 piercing-weak) with a Mezraq vs 371 (463) damage with a Gungnir, a difference of 25 (31) damage or 7.23% (7.18%) per hit. Sounds like a significant difference to me.

If the WS modifier on Geirskogul was STR instead of AGI it would be a suitable Endgame WS, having the same mods as Tachi: Kaiten or Mercy Stroke (3.0 fTP @100%, 60% STR), but with a higher damage weapon. By a suitable Endgame WS I mean a WS with 1-hit and high modifiers to ensure consistent and strong damage. It still wouldn't be quite as good as Penta Thrust on merit mobs, but that's not really an issue as things stand anyway.

That's my take on things and I probably put a little too much thought into it, but hey, I love my job.

Yeah, there'd be a difference, but it wouldn't be HUGE. If you normally hit for 105 and your average goes to 110 you won't always be able to tell just by looking at the screen, but a parser would show it fine and it is a good improvement.

And how much would that acc+20 really matter for a DRG? With my setup of 285 skill, 80+10 dex, +40 or so acc I parse upper 70% on birds. DRG can get 299skill and will wear similar +acc in gear as I will, while also getting +22 acc from traits and more acc from dex. I imagine a drg is going to be close to the acc cap on greater colibri before a relic gets factored in.

And it's not really a big deal if Penta is still the better ws in merit situations. If I can't stack Mercy Stroke with SA or TA DE easily does more damage than it. Though I have this hope that the relic buff will make Mercy a 4-hit ws like the animation makes it look like and maybe add a dex mod on without taking away a str mod XD Would be so hot cause I could get rid of my DE macro and DE gearswap macro and free up some more space in a palette...

[Tricen]

Isn't 70% like... Bad >_>?

[Eaglestrike]

Isn't 70% like... Bad >_>?

Upper 70's means about 78%

[Erkaan]

Wait... wait... wait... LoH isn't shitting on DRG. In fact... wait... I... I think he actually was praising the job? WHERE'S THE LOH I REMEMBER?!

[Eaglestrike]

Wait... wait... wait... LoH isn't shitting on DRG. In fact... wait... I... I think he actually was praising the job? WHERE'S THE LOH I REMEMBER?!

DRG QUITTERS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO POST, GTFO ERKAAN WITH YOUR MNKISHNESS.

[Cayos]

Wait... wait... wait... LoH isn't shitting on DRG. In fact... wait... I... I think he actually was praising the job? WHERE'S THE LOH I REMEMBER?!

[Eaglestrike]

What the fuck guys we had some big ass semi-Shiva drama just a few days ago giving the server a bad name and none of you guys post but here you are derailing this thread...

[Xanthe]

In regards to Gungnir, it's certainly not bad. You won't be able to notice a HUGE difference with it, but considering DRG is one of the best DD's in the game going by an all-around standpoint, I don't think you can really knock it. Relic ws needs to be changed before it can beat Penta, but it's not like Penta is a bad ws anyway.

I think an upgrade from a Mezraq's D93 (WRank 10) to Gungnir's D100 (WRank 11) and +20 Acc would actually be fairly noticeable. Assuming all maximized values on a critical hit (3.12 pDIF) that would be 346 damage (432 piercing-weak) with a Mezraq vs 371 (463) damage with a Gungnir, a difference of 25 (31) damage or 7.23% (7.18%) per hit. Sounds like a significant difference to me.

If the WS modifier on Geirskogul was STR instead of AGI it would be a suitable Endgame WS, having the same mods as Tachi: Kaiten or Mercy Stroke (3.0 fTP @100%, 60% STR), but with a higher damage weapon. By a suitable Endgame WS I mean a WS with 1-hit and high modifiers to ensure consistent and strong damage. It still wouldn't be quite as good as Penta Thrust on merit mobs, but that's not really an issue as things stand anyway.

That's my take on things and I probably put a little too much thought into it, but hey, I love my job.

Yeah, there'd be a difference, but it wouldn't be HUGE. If you normally hit for 105 and your average goes to 110 you won't always be able to tell just by looking at the screen, but a parser would show it fine and it is a good improvement.

And how much would that acc+20 really matter for a DRG? With my setup of 285 skill, 80+10 dex, +40 or so acc I parse upper 70% on birds. DRG can get 299skill and will wear similar +acc in gear as I will, while also getting +22 acc from traits and more acc from dex. I imagine a drg is going to be close to the acc cap on greater colibri before a relic gets factored in.

And it's not really a big deal if Penta is still the better ws in merit situations. If I can't stack Mercy Stroke with SA or TA DE easily does more damage than it. Though I have this hope that the relic buff will make Mercy a 4-hit ws like the animation makes it look like and maybe add a dex mod on without taking away a str mod XD Would be so hot cause I could get rid of my DE macro and DE gearswap macro and free up some more space in a palette...

I'm not sure what the argument is here. I didn't say HUGE, I said significant as in important or of consequence. I forgot to mention that the increase in WDmg and WRank not only increases your maximum damage, but your minimum damage threshold is also raised. I'm not sure if the 7.2% maximum damage increase translates to 7.2% average and minimum damage increases, but regardless the improvements would be worthwhile.

My point wasn't regarding merit performance, but the big picture of end-game. The Penta Thrust comment was not a complaint, it was supporting the use of different WSs for different situations. I'm pretty sure I am already capped accuracy on G.Colibri, but I'm thinking a little bigger than merit parties. On higher-level mobs that same accuracy does not cap your hit rate, so yes, the accuracy+20 will matter even for a DRG.

[Suiram]

If you parse "upper 70s" on birds, then add acc+20 and you'd parse "upper 80s" on birds. Plus you'd get awsm shock spikes.

[Starr]

A DRG naked but with Gugnir and Polearm Merits 8/8 would probably be near cap accuracy 95% on birds.