Stage 5 - Completed Relic Weapons List

[Secksi]

Lets not forget that the 2-3x proc(however much it is) won't ever proc in offhand.

Every Kikoku I've personally seen has had Perdu offhand.

[Cream Soda]

In for the woosh!

[Starr]

Yeah the 3x damage proc would surely outdamage the slight increase on WS damage anyway.

[Stanislav]

Theophilius also has Aegis and Excalibur

Pretty sure he does not

[kareface]

http://nineinchninjas.com/mini/Doom.jpg

Doomcrak - Aegis

His second relic, grats man.

[algrensan]

It would be Senji/Kikoku not Kikoku/Senji. Perdu has a pretty mean Delay/Dmg that outdoes Senji. So its 6% Crit vs 5ACC 10 ATK on the obvious side. BUT basically anything low delay that lets your mainhand hit more often is win for offhand if you own kikoku.

Because the 6% Crit will do more for JIN than the difference of D38 > D42

The 6% crit rate carries over to the kikoku anyhow.

And the 38 to 42 damage would do more, and has been proven in several occassions.

For christ sake's people, grow brains before you speak, and learn how to mathematically model *facepalm* it's not hard.

quoting the original guy who quoted the other guy for some level of selfownage

[Guitarman]

That's a whole lot of Maat's caps.

[Breemer]

Catastrophe damage is exactly as it appears in the log. There's no added or hidden damage. A parser picking up a relic DRK's WS damage is accurate. Catastrophe's effect allows the user to gain HP in proportion to the damage dealt. The use of the word drain is misleading. The more damage catastrophe deals, the more HP the user has the potential to gain.

That's what I initially thought and the above posts made it confusing, it works the same as the "add effect" from blood weapon in that it only drains, doesn't cause any extra damage.

[Tricen]

That is not what I was told. Wasn't there a lot of proof saying that the cata drain is extra damage?

[AkashiXI]

Well, wouldn't it be fairly easy to test? Find a group of mobs, determine how much their level differentiates (lv55~57, 70~72, etc), find their average HP, and test if Cata's drain decreases their HP further. :O

[Max™]

Cata someone in Ballista, if they lose more Hp than the WS did, systery molved.

Also: WHOOOOSHUUUU cause I missed the fun. T.T

[Cloudius]

A lot of confusion about Catastrophe. :X

Here's some tests that were done on KI to give you a general idea. (A lot of Apoc Drks post there regularly)
http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.p...s&q=169144&d=0

Things to note:
- 25-70% (with an avrg of 50%) of the dmg is converted to your HP.
- You don't get HP vs undead.
- You don't get HP more than the mob has (But you get full dmg).
- It goes through Utsu shadows, but not blink or third eye.
- You get the haste even if you missed the WS.

[Max™]

Wait, what?

Cata ignores Utsu?

Wtftruckbuick?

[Severance]

- It goes through Utsu shadows, but not blink or third eye.

Pretty sure I've been Catastrophe'd in Ballistia and had Utsusemi absorb it.

[DAKPluto]

Kikoku/Yoshimitsu or GTFO

[Max™]

Kikoku/Yoshimitsu or get made fun of in Gimp/Confused/wtf thread!

I thought the Perdu would be more desireable for having 30 some odd less delay + Acc/Att vs the two Dmg 42 weapons.

[Kirschy]

First day I got Apoc I went to Ballista to test it. It's as a previous poster said, equivalant to Blood Weapon. It does go through Utsusemi, but not through third eye. This also applies to non-ballista. (The Mamool on first floor Zhayolm use Utsu: Ni, but Catastrophe hits anyway.) Zephyr Mantle(The Puk Move) is considered blink and can stop Catastrophe.

Cloudius hit all the important points~

[Tricen]

Isn't ballista the worst place to test that? Since not everything is equivalent to PvM?

[algrensan]

Kikoku/Nagi or GTFO

fixed?

[Klain]

I thought the Perdu would be more desireable for having 30 some odd less delay + Acc/Att vs the two Dmg 42 weapons.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...903_032941.png

Tell that to him.