Smallest needed for Proto-Omega / Ultima.

[Krandor]

My limbus group hovers around 12-13 on every run.
Even with 12, we feel we're overkill on Ultima.

I know another JP group that did it with 9 (Proto-Ultima).

Read my 1st post tard. You are the only person here thinking it is not possible when several group have done it with 12 and agree it is still overkill.

You are clearly ignorant.
Fine if do not believe, but for other more experienced people, we know it can be done.
After reading your other posts, I shouldnt have bothered replying to you in the first place. Each and every single of your other posts are all whining, complaining, etc... in short being an asshole. So totally not worth wasting my time.

Last post here.

Since when were we talking about 12-13 people? Do it with 9 and show some proof or go away.

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[Seditedi]

You gotta also consider - less people meleeing on it helps greatly, smaller group, less TP for Ultima, alot less TP move spam, which would definitely make this fight alot more controlled and easier to handle.

[Roranora]

Not to mention Armor Buster will only hit tanks basically, not a full party of random sam and drk chunking him away when you a cool 60 minutes anyway. When we go in with 18, he doesn't last a third of that time (in fact we dick with chests because of this); if you want to use up more of that alotted time, take fewer people in, enjoy more control, less MP demand on DDs, fewer TP moves, along with a slower kill pace. Because you now win in 45min instead of 18, it doesn't make the fight impossible. I'd even venture to say the ideal number of people to take would be more around 12-14 than 18, just because of how it will change Ultima's behavior and TP gain. (assuming you don't have like 2 full BLM PTs giving him minimal TP but doing respectable damage)

Taking nine is just on the other end of the ideal "tp gain : kill ratio" number of people; it's no doubt doable, and in fact, it's probably waaayy less of a feat than people are making it out to be, nothing at all against wop's friends. I'm just saying we've heard stories a lot harder to believe; because this one isn't so unbelievable. People need to get skilled tanks, skilled mages, and mostly patience and go use their 60 minutes. It's sad how almost every fight in this game is turning into a kill-it-before-it-kills-you fight.

[Fusional]

With the addition of Templar Mace, /NIN to avoid nasty AoE's in certain BC's (think sweeping flail from Bahamut V2, Ultima, and so forth), seems a viable choice.
Not to mention, with AoE dispelling Reraise and a chance of instant death (gigaflare, or in this case CB), dual-weilding Templar Mace with Raise 2 Rods not only give the 10% Cure potency, it's a life-saver.

soososososo true. i recently did ultima with my LS with 14 as well (had 15, but one of our two nins DC'd after entering). we only had 1 WHM and he subbed nin. at first i thought he was completely nuts until i realized he was doing it to offhand the raise 2 rod. really was invaluable when ultima went into zerg mode and not everyone was able to keep reraise up.

very good advice.

[ntgn]

My limbus group hovers around 12-13 on every run.
Even with 12, we feel we're overkill on Ultima.

I know another JP group that did it with 9 (Proto-Ultima).

As for strat, ......

Number 1 strat:-

"Do not bring tards"

then you will win with ease.

Couldn't resist to post here.

Number 2 strat (for cocky tards):
"Do not mess up"

then you will win with ease.