People dont care about Assault anymore?

[Shuvo]

not if a few months later there's newer and better stuff to get still.

It has never been SE's style to make a piece of gear completly obselete. Among most of the new gear (Actually all, off the top of my head) , none of them COMPLETLY replaced another piece. Certainly used less, but gear has always been situational. This brings in gear swapping, which accounts for like 90% of the 'skill factor' in this game.

I don't understand what point you're trying to make anyway. Is it that SE should change this policy of theirs? If so, it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

and 5 MP/tick won't make BLMs nuke in it full time, it won't make BRDs debuff in it, or give up -recast Gages for it.

That being said... while you're right in that 5mp/tick gear won't completly remove the need for gear swapping on those 5 slots, it'll certainly massively reduce the need for it a lot in this game. OK, so people will argue that's not a bad thing. I say it puts a clear distinction between a skilled player and a non skilled player. SE designed the game this way, and it won't be changing.

Not to mention, it would destroy the balancing/usefelness of certain jobs. And if easy to obtain overpowered gear kept getting added in every few months, it would destroy the game. (Just think about it, i would get wall-o-text'd if I tried to explain why).

this is a BS argument for retarded people. i have a Dalmatica, i have a 75 SMN, in no way would i ever want SE to remove Yinyang Robe from the game just to make my Dalmatica SMN more "special" than other people's SMNs.

if it's better gear that you can get, you'd want it. i'm sure a lot of people on these forums play with a huge ego, but i doubt most of the egos here are so out of whack that they would give up superior items just to satisfy it.

You presume too much. Fuck their was a thread on this like 2 hours ago even (i think it was kuno who started it, didn't really look at it long enough to remember).

because a BLM really wants to have a Manteel or a BRD really wants a Weskit -1?

1) RDM would love a weskit-1, and they can equip it. If the AC is lost and WHM actually go to KRT parties, having a the yigit body would be be useful there too, as you can only really keep a high chain up if they do a little divine magic nuking on the ghosts. Back when Weskits were 13mil i'm sure a BLM would have loved this alternative too.
2) /BRD is useful for RDM, BLM and WHM in certain party setups in merit parties (mana burn - mostly, but not always). Can be useful too in Sky too, sometimes. Having -song time would be handy.
3) Yigit body doesn't cost 35mill (manteel).
4) Yigit body can be obtained with just a few friends working together for 1hour/day for a few weeks.

[layoneil]

I don't understand what point you're trying to make anyway. Is it that SE should change this policy of theirs? If so, it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

if it was 5MP/tic, than would you not agree that they already did change their policy? if the initial scenario is that the policy is changed, than that is exactly what we are talking about.

Not to mention, it would destroy the balancing/usefelness of certain jobs.

like which?

And if easy to obtain overpowered gear kept getting added in every few months, it would destroy the game. (Just think about it, i would get wall-o-text'd if I tried to explain why).

it might be easy but it's very time consuming. and it won't destroy the game if they keep increasing the difficulty of new stuff.

You presume too much.

i didn't presume anything you didn't say. people ultimately will not mind having their old stuff obsoleted if the new stuff they are getting is better.

1) RDM would love a weskit-1, and they can equip it. If the AC is lost and WHM actually go to KRT parties, having a the yigit body would be be useful there too, as you can only really keep a high chain up if they do a little divine magic nuking on the ghosts. Back when Weskits were 13mil i'm sure a BLM would have loved this alternative too.

3) Yigit body doesn't cost 35mill (manteel).

4) Yigit body can be obtained with just a few friends working together for 1hour/day for a few weeks.

these points are not relevant to what i was saying. a BRD does not ever need a Weskit and a Manteel at the same time.

2) /BRD is useful for RDM, BLM and WHM in certain party setups in merit parties (mana burn - mostly, but not always). Can be useful too in Sky too, sometimes. Having -song time would be handy.

BLM/BRD??? WTF are you smoking? that happens what, once a week per server?

[Septimus]

1) RDM would love a weskit-1, and they can equip it. If the AC is lost and WHM actually go to KRT parties, having a the yigit body would be be useful there too, as you can only really keep a high chain up if they do a little divine magic nuking on the ghosts. Back when Weskits were 13mil i'm sure a BLM would have loved this alternative too.

Not trying to nit-pick, but I have long since given up on my sad little RDM nukes to want to get a weskit-1.

[Rag]

I don't know if "lol" is quite the word for obsoleting Aegis O.o

Yes becouse koing shield is not >relic when your pld/nin lol
Aegis only worth it if you are a /war and no one likes pld/war nin or pld/nin only i hope this thread remain about assault not pld etc im just saying aegis isnt that good for /nin

you are dumb

.

And your smart to waste 500million on a relic that let you block more hits when you aint blocking shit becouse utsi kick in always before blocking
A pld with homam/dusk+swift belt got as much recast as main nin with more hp
Im talking about pld/nin or main nin only becouse no one give it crap about pld/war unless your ls sux
Lei which is best pld in history couldnt tank tiamat while a pld/nin with af1 tanked him better and the fight went way better and if you tankin "too weak stuff" that a pld/war could tank you do not need a relic shield for it becouse it will end up being easy stuff with or without the relic

[layoneil]

Im talking about pld/nin or main nin only becouse no one give it crap about pld/war unless your ls sux
Lei which is best pld in history couldnt tank tiamat while a pld/nin with af1 tanked him better and the fight went way better and if you tankin "too weak stuff" that a pld/war could tank you do not need a relic shield for it becouse it will end up being easy stuff with or without the relic

a PLD/NIN with AF1 isn't tanking anything without proper support (Haste, Refresh, Marches, Ballad, etc). just because you (or they) don't know how to properly support a PLD/WAR doesn't mean it doesn't work.

[Quicklet]

Yeah, didn't see that, oops. Even still, my tp set is near complete and 10 of my 15 slots all came with the CoP updates. 4 Homam, Blau Dolch, brutal, Rajas, Woodsman (yeah, thf with woodsman, lawl), Forager's, swift belt. While CoP wasn't that amazing loot wise overall, for a thief the expansion was wonderful. And Dragon Harness is the best ws body for non-Mandau users and best solo armor for thief ever. And Rapparee harness for recasts...CoP was good to thief.

I guess I'll clarify. I didn't mean to say that CoP didn't give any better gear, and I wasn't particularly applying that to any one job. The part that I found ironic about CoP was that most of the gear upgrades came from activities that didn't require "progression", and were one-shot deals (new food, new merits in particular), and a lot of those sidegrades/upgrades meant more macroing. Everything that required progression through missions with exception to Limbus had terrible rewards besides being able to say that you did it because it was there.

Having probably a dozen or more CoP NMs that drop better loot than Tiamat/Jorm combined yet require fewer people and probably less effort really seemed out of whack. I just think that good game design should have some correlation between risk/time/effort and reward, and CoP seemed to lack any kind of plan like that. Things that took lots of effort and time to obtain had terrible drop rates and were marginal upgrades/sidegrades. Things that took very little effort (or no effort in some cases) did a lot more to make characters stronger.

My point wasn't that CoP didn't do anything. My point was not to expect ToAU endgame to be something spectacular because it will probably not live up to those expectations.

[othellojr]

I don't know if "lol" is quite the word for obsoleting Aegis O.o

Yes becouse koing shield is not >relic when your pld/nin lol
Aegis only worth it if you are a /war and no one likes pld/war nin or pld/nin only i hope this thread remain about assault not pld etc im just saying aegis isnt that good for /nin

you are dumb

.

And your smart to waste 500million on a relic that let you block more hits when you aint blocking shit becouse utsi kick in always before blocking
A pld with homam/dusk+swift belt got as much recast as main nin with more hp
Im talking about pld/nin or main nin only becouse no one give it crap about pld/war unless your ls sux
Lei which is best pld in history couldnt tank tiamat while a pld/nin with af1 tanked him better and the fight went way better and if you tankin "too weak stuff" that a pld/war could tank you do not need a relic shield for it becouse it will end up being easy stuff with or without the relic

I lol'd at this part, I have never, EVER read about Lei being the "best pld in history", I have read how he is/has been one of the best geared plds in FFXI...and last I remembered skill > gear for alot of things, just because he himself did shitty vs Tiamat one time you saw him, does not make/support your "pld in af1 as pld/nin" was better...I stick to my original statement:

You are dumb

[Rag]

I don't know if "lol" is quite the word for obsoleting Aegis O.o

Yes becouse koing shield is not >relic when your pld/nin lol
Aegis only worth it if you are a /war and no one likes pld/war nin or pld/nin only i hope this thread remain about assault not pld etc im just saying aegis isnt that good for /nin

you are dumb

.

And your smart to waste 500million on a relic that let you block more hits when you aint blocking shit becouse utsi kick in always before blocking
A pld with homam/dusk+swift belt got as much recast as main nin with more hp
Im talking about pld/nin or main nin only becouse no one give it crap about pld/war unless your ls sux
Lei which is best pld in history couldnt tank tiamat while a pld/nin with af1 tanked him better and the fight went way better and if you tankin "too weak stuff" that a pld/war could tank you do not need a relic shield for it becouse it will end up being easy stuff with or without the relic

I lol'd at this part, I have never, EVER read about Lei being the "best pld in history", I have read how he is/has been one of the best geared plds in FFXI...and last I remembered skill > gear for alot of things, just because he himself did shitty vs Tiamat one time you saw him, does not make/support your "pld in af1 as pld/nin" was better...I stick to my original statement:

You are dumb

And as i said before you are smart
Calling people dumbs wont make me feel smarter unlike someone like you lol
I like people who thinks they got away with there gayness by makin other people sound dumb becouse they have said few facts about the game

Lei got the skill+the gear its just alot of stuff in this game is not tankable with pld/war unless you want to make the fight way harder than what its which is not worth it
Incase you didnt learn yet alot of damage dealers jobs can deal damage yet people rather have blms-smns only becouse its the easy way
nins and pld/nins = the easy way
pld/war = the hard way which no one likes

[Septimus]

My point wasn't that CoP didn't do anything. My point was not to expect ToAU endgame to be something spectacular because it will probably not live up to those expectations.

Silly Quicklet, CoP killed our hope. Any remaining glimmers of hope that we may have had at the start of ToAU were horribly murdered by the last patch. Despite the brief aberration where things looked up for a moment when ToAU was launched, I think everyone has realized that the dev team decided that it is OK to phone it in after RotZ.

[FFXIFlux]

1) RDM would love a weskit-1, and they can equip it. If the AC is lost and WHM actually go to KRT parties, having a the yigit body would be be useful there too, as you can only really keep a high chain up if they do a little divine magic nuking on the ghosts. Back when Weskits were 13mil i'm sure a BLM would have loved this alternative too.

Um, no. The 5 magic attack just isn't worth it for a RDM, and for a WHM, no fucking way, the MND on Errant will add more damage than Yigit would, not that the damage a WHM contributes is even significant, nor would you want to do a lot of damage early on a ghost or you'll just pull agro anyway.

2) /BRD is useful for RDM, BLM and WHM in certain party setups in merit parties (mana burn - mostly, but not always). Can be useful too in Sky too, sometimes. Having -song time would be handy.

Getting your ballad off 0.2 seconds quicker won't make a difference.

3) Yigit body doesn't cost 35mill (manteel).
4) Yigit body can be obtained with just a few friends working together for 1hour/day for a few weeks.

And is the equivalent of moghouse -1.

[Ahnuld]

Phirien,

Your avatar pic is hot.

[Ryko]

And your smart to waste 500million on a relic that let you block more hits when you aint blocking shit becouse utsi kick in always before blocking

Hay wuts 25% magic damage reduction?

[Khamsin]

And your smart to waste 500million on a relic that let you block more hits when you aint blocking shit becouse utsi kick in always before blocking

Hay wuts 25% magic damage reduction?

A coral suit.

Head (2)
Body (4)
Hands (2)
Pants (3)
Feet (2)
Merman Earrings (2+2)
Merman Rings (4+4)

= 25% magic damage reduction

Then again, 25+25 = 50.

[Rag]

And your smart to waste 500million on a relic that let you block more hits when you aint blocking shit becouse utsi kick in always before blocking

Hay wuts 25% magic damage reduction?

I loled
A good nin-pld like ryk with a magic resist+ set can almost takes no damage at all from tiamat fire based attacks plus its magic damage not a big deal what matters is the physical damage relic shield should have been damage taken- not magic

[Khamsin]

And your smart to waste 500million on a relic that let you block more hits when you aint blocking shit becouse utsi kick in always before blocking

Hay wuts 25% magic damage reduction?

I loled
A good nin-pld like ryk with a magic resist+ set can almost takes no damage at all from tiamat fire based attacks plus its magic damage not a big deal what matters is the physical damage relic shield should have been damage taken- not magic

Tiamat's magic damage is a joke. Think Citadel Buster, Gigaflare, an unstunned GoH, Astral Flow, Dynamis Lord, or any number of future HNMs that might be added.

[geno]

And your smart to waste 500million on a relic that let you block more hits when you aint blocking shit becouse utsi kick in always before blocking

Hay wuts 25% magic damage reduction?

I loled
A good nin-pld like ryk with a magic resist+ set can almost takes no damage at all from tiamat fire based attacks plus its magic damage not a big deal what matters is the physical damage relic shield should have been damage taken- not magic

While it may be (and is) practical to carry a fire resist set to Tiamat, it ISN'T practical to carry every element resist set to everything. Also, because of a lack of Bar-lightra, light resist sets are quite ineffective as a whole anyways.

[Ryko]

Nevermind that it actually provides a service when you have shadows up as opposed to the blocking property which obviously doesn't. It's something you'd wear as a PLD regardless of what you sub, it doesnt suddenly become useless if you get less chances to block with it.

[Rag]

Tiamat's magic damage is a joke. Think Citadel Buster, Gigaflare, an unstunned GoH, Astral Flow, Dynamis Lord, or any number of future HNMs that might be added.

Citadal Buster isnt magic as far i know alot of people tryed magic def bouns and resist+ and it still do around 2k damage

You guys talking like if magic damage taken- does matter that much most people dont even care about magic def bouns gear that is equipable by pld they rather get hp/enmity.... with a relic shield you will just take less few cures every a while Hnms do not spam magic unlike there physical attack

DL? chain stun
astral flow? at dynamis mobs never pull them off with good teamwork -25% just mean extra cureIII-IV when it get used once every 2hour...

Gigaflare fire based with fire resist gear it does lower damage than tiamat attack

GoH lol cerbs~

Future updates will see
You can do people a fav and equip earth staff when shadows down and do us a fav better than praying for block and when its up equip enmity+ or even killer(tatami+other killer ears/sword=win) >.>

[Rag]

Nevermind that it actually provides a service when you have shadows up as opposed to the blocking property which obviously doesn't. It's something you'd wear as a PLD regardless of what you sub, it doesnt suddenly become useless if you get less chances to block with it.

No one argue its not extra bouns
But doesnt worth the 500million and wont help that much unless SE buff up pld a little more and /war become a better option

[Ryko]

Citadal Buster isnt magic as far i know alot of people tryed magic def bouns and resist+ and it still do around 2k damage

Oh it definitely is, as evidenced by more than one player negating it completely with the shadow ring. Part of why it trucks the shit out of people is that it has a potential to do 20% more damage just based on the arena you're in.

You guys talking like if magic damage taken- does matter that much most people dont even care about magic def bouns gear that is equipable by pld they rather get hp/enmity.... with a relic shield you will just take less few cures every a while Hnms do not spam magic unlike there physical attack

Magic damage aside from specifically single target castable magic cannot be negated by anything short of a shadow ring. Wing, Blast, Breath (just not sulfurous), Aerial Attacks, -Flare, Buster, Gates of Hades, and like khamsin said, likely a lot of other things were designed so they couldn't be yawn tanked by a ninja with no reprocussions. These things still do damage, why do you think people still pine over D rings and made resist gear setups in the first place? Why WHMs are capping out shellra V and devotion while leaving protectra alone? Furthermore it cuts the damage regardless of luck, something that a resist setup can fail to do. It's not like you're going to tell a paladin "hey put your aegis away you're subbing nin anyway", that's just goofy. You can /WAR a lot of things in this game, the 4-5 things most people choose not to? Wow, cry harder.