Throwing a religious debate out there

[Gafgarionn]

http://www.godisimaginary.com/

Stupidest fucking site I've ever read. I wanna stab the owner in the face.

[Norelco]

http://www.godisimaginary.com/

Stupidest fucking site I've ever read. I wanna stab the owner in the face.

You must not have seen http://www.godhatesfags.com then.

[Jerseyprophet]

They mentioned the god hates fags site, but the guy who was on kid chriss was from repend america site.

It's almost like the rest of us have evolved and christians are still in the dark ages - but that is simply opinion.

[Eaglestrike]

They mentioned the god hates fags site, but the guy who was on kid chriss was from repend america site.

It's almost like the rest of us have evolved and most christians are still in the dark ages - but that is simply opinion.

kthx

[Norelco]

They mentioned the god hates fags site, but the guy who was on kid chriss was from repend america site.

It's almost like the rest of us have evolved and christians are still in the dark ages - but that is simply opinion.

I am Christian. I don't believe everything that is thrown my way.

[Sadler]

A muslim once told me...

"Religion isn't an "All or nothing" deal... Obviously there are your bread and butter beliefs which you follow."

and..

"You follow your religion on how you see fit... what you choose to follow is your beliefs"

[Eternus]

A muslim once told me...

"Religion isn't an "All or nothing" deal... Obviously there are your bread and butter beliefs which you follow."

and..

"You follow your religion on how you see fit... what you choose to follow is your beliefs"

That is convenient for you, but if you believe in a deity that is all powerful then that is a retarded stance to take. An omnipotent deity does not have to cater to how you see fit to live, it has its rules and its that way or you are going to suffer whatever consequences it sees as fit. You either follow all of the rules of said deity or when you break them you are fucked. God doesn't have to cater to how you want to live your life, you have to cater to God's rules. It isn't the other way around if you believe in a God. If you don't like Christianity's rules, then don't be a Christian lol.

Masturbation, homosexual sex, any sex at all outside the confines of a marriage between a man and a woman period is considered sin in the Bible. It is all forgiveable if someone actualy repents technically. You don't have to make sacrifices for these things since Jesus was sacrificed. People just have to repent and change their ways (stop having sex outside of marriage for example). That technically is how the Christian thing should work.

If you don't like the laws of a Christian God, then by all means don't follow them. You can pick and choose your laws all you want, you have free will. Just don't expect a Christian God to be so forgiving if you don't repent as defined in the Bible. This isn't hard to understand at all. You don't have to be a Christian, so don't lol. You can have your own beliefs and use various religions as inspiration for those beliefs. That doesn't make you a follower of those religions. Obviously you don't believe in their God, because if you did you would not pick and choose what laws to believe.

[Sadler]

I don't believe in any religion... fuck all that stuff.

I just thought those comments just stood out against alot of the other things I have heard...

[Ryko]

The bigger shocker is condemning all of mankind at birth through no active fault of their own unless they jump through rather specific hoops and avoid others because he could have just not given satan a treehouse. He gave free will to people who for all intents and purposes were naive. It's the equivalent of giving someone with the mental maturity of a toddler a rifle. "Dont press that button. Yes, that one. THE ONE I'M POINTING AT, dont touch it or everyone to follow you is royally fucked".

I acknowledged the role that free will plays into all of it (as a failsafe "not-it" clause) and like I said, it still doesn't add up to me. Hell, it got to the point that supposedly even god said it was too much and wiped the slate clean by killing everyone. If that isn't a "ok this shit got out of hand" I don't know what is.

Well, if every human was actually condemned at birth, Jesus wouldn't have done what He did. I think the concept is just that if the first two humans, that had actual first hand contact with God on a regular basis, would sin, the rest of mankind is pretty damn likely to do it.

And you'd be amazed how mature little kids can be if brought up right. I'm not saying they wouldn't have those ages of screaming and crying for no reason at all, but my best friend (since 9th grade) had a little brother and sister like 7 and 5 years younger and those kids were hardcore mature and in elementary school. Hell his sister just a year younger is really good looking, exceptionally smart and never had a boyfriend or close to one, because she feels there are more important things in her life...and she's felt that way since like middle school. How often do you hear that from middle school girls? I think God has given a reasonable amount of information to us humans to not be naive, but a lot of us don't get it or refuse to get it.

I'd count "you're born in sin" as condemnation through no fault of one's own. Person hasn't even done anything and they're already in the red. Sure it gives you a way to fix that but I'd consider that accounting for something you didn't even do. If that isn't guilt I really don't know what is. And I'm not really talking about people brought up in today's day and age, I was pretty much saying "how are you going to give people with no knowledge of good and evil the burden of all following humanity". It doesn't make sense, intelligence aside that's still trusting way too much into something you created to be practically ignorant, even if it was "perfect" in his eyes.

[Slapper]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D7v_V8qSIIo
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I think gay folks are born gay...some anyway. I think some genes got fucked up in the process in making the baby so some female genes stayed in the male baby fetus or someshit. Being born gay is a birth defect!!!(Just kidding..or not. Who knows).

[Nirokun!]

another theory is that gays support their brother's/sister's offspring, contributing to a family group, without starting their own.

Kin selection, so maybe a gene that makes people altruists (gay/lesbian), would select for gays, because it increases the genetic fitness of the group, but not necessarily the individual (the gay ). Bugs do it :O why cant people?

[Bwelch]

I think gay folks are born gay...some anyway. I think some genes got fucked up in the process in making the baby so some female genes stayed in the male baby fetus or someshit. Being born gay is a birth defect!!!(Just kidding..or not. Who knows).

It's impossible and completely ridiculous for you to believe someone is born gay or straight, everyone. How is one born with a characteristic already embedded into there psyche? We’re a blank slate when were born, easily manipulated by outside environments curious to learn them and imitate. Were only gifted with the basic feelings when were born (eat when your hungry, sleep when your tired ect).

[Carbon]

I think gay folks are born gay...some anyway. I think some genes got fucked up in the process in making the baby so some female genes stayed in the male baby fetus or someshit. Being born gay is a birth defect!!!(Just kidding..or not. Who knows).

It's impossible and completely ridiculous for you to believe someone is born gay or straight, everyone. How is one born with a characteristic already embedded into there psyche? We’re a blank slate when were born, easily manipulated by outside environments curious to learn them and imitate. Were only gifted with the basic feelings when were born (eat when your hungry, sleep when your tired ect).

How is someone born black (we know the answer to this, and it is genetic based)? How do you know that sexuality isn't genetic based? You don't, and nobody else does either for 100%, otherwise there'd be answers out there.

[archibaldcrane]

Lol, we're born with "fuck when you're horny" also. It's instinct.

The most popular theory of "born that way" sexual identity is called:

Prenatal hormonal theory

The neurobiology of the masculinization of the brain is fairly well understood. Estradiol, and testosterone, which is catalysed by the enzyme 5α-reductase into dihydrotestosterone, act upon androgen receptors in the brain to masculinize it. If there are few androgen receptors (people with Androgen insensitivity syndrome) or too much androgen (females with Congenital adrenal hyperplasia) there can be physical and psychological effects.[2] It has been suggested that both male and female homosexuality are results of variation in this process.[3] In these studies lesbianism is typically linked with a higher amount of masculinization than is found in heterosexual females, though when dealing with male homosexuality there are results supporting both higher and lower degrees of masculinization than heterosexual males.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual ... nal_theory

[Andarvi]

I think gay folks are born gay...some anyway. I think some genes got fucked up in the process in making the baby so some female genes stayed in the male baby fetus or someshit. Being born gay is a birth defect!!!(Just kidding..or not. Who knows).

It's impossible and completely ridiculous for you to believe someone is born gay or straight, everyone. How is one born with a characteristic already embedded into there psyche? We’re a blank slate when were born, easily manipulated by outside environments curious to learn them and imitate. Were only gifted with the basic feelings when were born (eat when your hungry, sleep when your tired ect).

homosexuality exists in all cultures, all races, religions, ethnicities, any demographic u probably think of. how accepting some demographics are to it varies greatly thus the percentage of people who will openly admit it fluctuates accordingly.

my point: there are too many variables in the "100% nurture" argument for it to be true, thus there must be some biological basis for its appearence.

[Almaa]

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[Almaa]

stupid forum made me double post