So how do you deal with...

[Plow]

EDIT: Fuck it, I made a silly, completely wrong statement that I can't defend, I'm not bothering.

fixed.

[aurik]

With every ignorant comment like this you spew, your mindset of "progress comes at a cost, not as a benefit". I'm just here telling you that you're wrong.

Says the guy spewing ill-informed comments about my friends being materialistic, assuming I never do anything for fun, and that anyone who bots is a horrible person regardless of the situation.

I'm glad you made this easy to point out.

Like you're one to complain about unfair generalizations, since you apparently think my focus on fun means that I like to throw my friends off of bridges.

[Beckwin]

I was returning the favor.

Do you really believe that every second of every activity in this game is supposed to be fun? I'm saying that's unrealistic, just like your absolute stance on botting.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

EDIT: Fuck it, I made a silly, completely wrong statement that I can't defend, I'm not bothering.

fixed.

Or I've just argued this countless times before.

[aurik]

I was returning the favor.

Do you really believe that every second of every activity in this game is supposed to be fun? I'm saying that's unrealistic, just like your absolute stance on botting.

There is absolutely no situation in the game where the use of a bot is legal. It's really that simple; anything else is simply trying to justify being a fucking cheater. "I'm cheating because they're cheating, and that makes it ok!" You keep telling yourself that.

[Plow]

EDIT: Fuck it, I made a silly, completely wrong statement that I can't defend, I'm not bothering.

fixed.

Or I've just argued this countless times before.

You really can't argue that what someone was hoping for was wrong.

And if you honestly believe that sleeping something now and then makes up for being not even second rate at what your job is intended to do best, then... fuck I dunno but that's ridiculous.

But whatever I guess you're right we'd have to take it to the drk thread to continue any discussion because drk are second rate citizens with no right to discuss what they enjoy, unlike botters.

[Beckwin]

We're all fucking cheaters for using windower, Aurik. Sorry to burst your bubble.

All I've done is explain the motivations to do it and the consequences of it. I've argued that it's pointless to bitch about botting anymore- SE hasn't done anything about it and currently seems incapable to (shit gets sketchy for them if they want to scan your end of the interweb), and no one's going to stop doing it on their own. You either play on the same field as the competition (depending on the server), or you just deal with the fact that its out there. Either way, you've just got to accept it as reality.

Find where I've said "botting is totally legal and everyone should do it."

[aurik]

We're all fucking cheaters for using windower, Aurik. Sorry to burst your bubble.

All I've done is explain the motivations to do it and the consequences of it. I've argued that it's pointless to bitch about botting anymore- SE hasn't done anything about it and currently seems incapable to (shit gets sketchy for them if they want to scan your end of the interweb), and no one's going to stop doing it on their own. You either play on the same field as the competition (depending on the server), or you just deal with the fact that its out there. Either way, you've just got to accept it as reality.

Find where I've said "botting is totally legal and everyone should do it."

lol @ making comparisons between windower and botting, again.

[Beckwin]

There is absolutely no situation in the game where the use of a bot is legal.

SE defines legality in FFXI. So...

There is absolutely no situation in the game where the use of a windower is legal.

applies just as well. Cheating is cheating. It's hard to say what level SE puts each infraction on, but w/e. You can't be a drunk and spend all day condemning cokeheads.

Read the rest of my previous post, btw. Find where I say "botting is totally legal and everyone should do it."

[Jer]

We're all fucking cheaters for using windower, Aurik. Sorry to burst your bubble.

All I've done is explain the motivations to do it and the consequences of it. I've argued that it's pointless to bitch about botting anymore- SE hasn't done anything about it and currently seems incapable to (shit gets sketchy for them if they want to scan your end of the interweb), and no one's going to stop doing it on their own. You either play on the same field as the competition (depending on the server), or you just deal with the fact that its out there. Either way, you've just got to accept it as reality.

Find where I've said "botting is totally legal and everyone should do it."

Because you typically see people using windower to claim HNMs while afk, or even putting windower on mules to voke...

You're advocating the use of bots because the other guys do. Perhaps after some future update you'll be here whining, 'Zomg, they banned me. How could this happen to me? /cueSimplePlan'

And trying to equate Windower to Botting is pathetic and shows how hard you fail.

[aurik]

There is absolutely no situation in the game where the use of a bot is legal.

SE defines legality in FFXI. So...

[quote:d0bee]There is absolutely no situation in the game where the use of a windower is legal.

applies just as well. Cheating is cheating. It's hard to say what level SE puts each infraction on, but w/e. You can't be a drunk and spend all day condemning cokeheads.

Read the rest of my previous post, btw. Find where I say "botting is totally legal and everyone should do it."[/quote:d0bee]

Why should I find where you're saying that? You're not. You're saying botting is situationally ok, and I'm saying you're wrong.

You will defend your point to the death, though, because humans naturally want to feel like they're doing the "right" thing. That's why you get retards saying "it's your fault I had to hit you!", they don't want to admit that they're wrong. This is the same thing, it's not YOUR fault you're forced to cheat, it's a necessity; you're FORCED to be a cheater, in your twisted world.

[Beckwin]

I equated windower to botting only in the sense that they are both illegal. Nice try dumbfuck.

I'm fully conscious of what I do, so no, I wouldn't be whining if I got banned for it. Strike 2, moron.

Wanna say something else stupid to finish the at bat?

[Ryko]

My question is where do you draw the line, malicious botting programs? Movement enhancers? TP reporting programs, distance plugins (it does make certain fights a joke)? With something like wardrobe people can actually flag quests they normally couldn't and/or gain rewards not applicable to them originally. SE will can you for any of them is what beckwin's saying, what standard should we set as players?

[Jer]

I equated windower to botting only in the sense that they are both illegal. Nice try dumbfuck.

Yes....yes....I see now. You were only saying that since windower is illegal, people shouldn't whine about bots.

I'm fully conscious of what I do, so no, I wouldn't be whining if I got banned for it. Strike 2, moron.

My bad. You'll probably be one of the ones that starts another account and gets back to botting everything he just lost.

Wanna say something else stupid to finish the at bat?

I feel the only way to do this would be to quote your previous posts, but I saw quotes that have no value are grounds for banning, so....

You might try throwing in more curse words though. People won't take you seriously unless you throw in a lot of cursing. The next time you mom comes with soap, tell her how you really feel.

[Plow]

I equated windower to botting only in the sense that they are both illegal. Nice try dumbfuck.

I'm fully conscious of what I do, so no, I wouldn't be whining if I got banned for it. Strike 2, moron.

Wanna say something else stupid to finish the at bat?

Yeah, you very clearly think you'll never get caught, or else you're just retarded.

You're dumb enough to risk losing your character entirely in order to have it be a little bit better.

I mean seriously how can you care enough about your character to cheat and say you won't care if you're banned?

[Beckwin]

If I want to get a proportional share of HNM claims, then yes, botting is a necessity in my environment.

"Right" is a relative term, and one that legality never seems to be completely in synch with. Botting seemed "right" to me when I evaluated the situation, and you're fucking ignorant for not even understanding why. I'm not talking about agreeing; just understanding. Just like you can't understand why people would be willing to do certain things they don't find to be the most enjoyable experience. I don't agree with upgrading relics as being something fun or worthwhile (esp the latter if its not shield or horn), but I at least can understand what the motivations are for those who do.

You're out of touch with the reality of this game and how little SE's version of legality has anything to do with this issue.

[Plow]

It's YOU that's out of touch with the issue.

You claim "windower is illegal but people use it, so bots being illegal doesn't matter." Using illegality as an argument.

Then you claim illegality has nothing to do with it at all.

It comes down to this: You're a piece of shit, and you ARE the problem. No matter how much you want to tell yourself you're just a victim of the problem, the problem is, and always will be as long as you bot, you.

[Beckwin]

Plow: sure I'd be pissed about losing my character, but I wouldn't come on BG crying "omg all I did was bot, why'd they ban me?!?!"

And as of now, SE hasn't shown anything where they can detect botting if you are: not afk at window, don't warp to the mob, do not admit to it in text.

[Jer]

What I find disturbing is the fact you view it as a necessity. It seems 'right' to you, but it's wrong. I understand why you think it is, but I still think you're damaged. I remember back in the day when things like Fafnir would be up and unclaimed, or there wouldn't be any competition because there just wasn't any other shells and the 1 or 2 there didn't bot. Then people like you came along. Oh wait, my bad. One person came along. Then people like you.

[Beckwin]

You claim "windower is illegal but people use it, so bots being illegal doesn't matter."

Except I didn't claim that. I'm using windower as an example to show that the illegality doesn't matter: botting is illegal as a more widely used 3PP, and nothing can be done about either at this point. It doesn't matter that they're illegal since nothing can be done about it, so bitching about one is just as pointless as bitching about the other in the context of legality.

If you want to call everyone who bots a "fucking cheater" then by extension, you at least have to call everyone who uses windower a "cheater."

In the context of screwing others over, how am I screwing anyone else over when every shell in aery is botting?

What I find disturbing is the fact you view it as a necessity. It seems 'right' to you, but it's wrong. I understand why you think it is, but I still think you're damaged. I remember back in the day when things like Fafnir would be up and unclaimed, or there wouldn't be any competition because there just wasn't any other shells and the 1 or 2 there didn't bot. Then people like you came along. Oh wait, my bad. One person came along. Then people like you.

Except this isn't "back in the day" anymore. There aren't just one or two shells that camp; fafnir doesn't sit around unclaimed. I came into the HNM environment with botting already present. Leave the old geezer shit at home. You're out of touch.

PS- that's strike three, r-tard.