So how do you deal with...

[Elondir]

Dalms and Koenig Bodies are showpieces essentially, minor boosts from Dalm, Koenig I swear does nothing, I died more after I got it than before I had it.

[Machazareel]

Valor Surcoat ftw

[phirien]

Dalms and Koenig Bodies are showpieces essentially, minor boosts from Dalm, Koenig I swear does nothing, I died more after I got it than before I had it.

Koenig nice for HP bonus. but tons of alternatives SE's given since Zilart pretty much renders the Koenig set worthless for the majority of things you do (bahamut mask, homam hands legs feet etc valor surcoat nice if you dont have relic horn BRDs and enmity problems).

most people realize abjurations, for the most part suck though . Dring Black Belt and Ridill however are as close as you can get to game breaking. those 3 items are always worth killing kings for.

[Cat]

Some input I'd like to hear are people from like Unicorn who have to deal with Fortune and their counterparts who play in the same cafe

I'm from unicorn, in a rival shell which camps and claims kings.

The answer is you start botting yourself. Pretty much the entire unicorn endgame bots kings. It's taboo on some servers, but on others everyone just comes out and says it. We had a gigantic JP shell utterly dominating everything before bots became mainsteam.

And you know what?

Claims are distributed -reasonably- evenly between the linkshells that camp nowadays. You give everyone the same tools, and everyone has the same chance at claim.

[Plow]

I release my anger in WoW pvp, I just pretend the team I'm against is the people that beat my ls for claim.

[Jhun]

All of Unicorn bots, now go cry somewhere else.

[Ryko]

You want a straight up answer?

Fight fire with fire.

Sucks, a lot of people will not resort to it. A lot more people will. What sort of guilt would you hold against yourself for doing something "wrong" to obtain something if you're doomed to stagnate because others do it without regard to others in the first place?

The same sort of guilt I'd have because I broke any law just "because others do it"?

And before you say it, yeah, it's only a game. That doesn't mean I want to cheat. The "clean rep" of the LS I'm in played a large part in my decision to join them in the first place, and I don't regret it one bit. Sure we don't claim kings very often, but that makes the ones we have got all the sweeter.

Nobody "stagnates" just because they're missing a king piece or two, or a lolridill. That's just a lameass excuse to justify cheating.

You're slightly silly if you think people go to aery because they think the conversation and environment is nice. Some people have been pining over their "defining" bodypiece for years now (I can't think how long ranahon's been in that stupid zone to no avail), they've worked themselves up into a fit over something they thought would make them the quintessential PLD, RDM, BRD, WAR, DRK, THF, what have you and they view not having it as not living up to what they see as their potential. Is it ridiculous? Absolutely, but neither you nor I speak for the motivation of thousands of others. Furthermore, you're out of your retarded little mind if you think that some shell in there doesn't at least have 1 person running something in hopes they can cash in. And don't make me laugh. The "clean rep" of your LS was likely almost entirely based on the fact that your shell has done little to stir up any potential drama in the first place. If you claim, someone's saying you're botting. Every time you do something for the sake of your LS members, someone will be shit talking you. Don't like it? Tough, that's the nature of the retarded bullshit that goes on in king camps. You have 3 options when it comes to dealing with people who, frankly, do not give a shit to ruin your day with their 3rd party programs.

1) Do it yourself (your mileage may vary.)
2) Don't do it and hope to bag claim on a HQ once every couple of months. (1 month since our last nidhogg, 5 since the one before that.)
3) Leave the zone (3 of those months lost were due to this).

Why bother sugar coating it. Assume what you want from me giving him an honest answer but I really couldn't care less. Like I said, it sucks, but your idealistic bullshit when someone is likely doing very very shady things for the benefit of even your friends is laughable. Then again, what do I care. For all intents and purposes I was done with aery (uncontested for months, mind you) a year and 2 months ago.

[khalody]

hala wala Jhun and nice post

but what make me smile is how you bot somthing if its most time free like nid and aspd lol

and like Jhun go cry some where else

[DrObvious]

Stop caring about abjurations.

If not abjurations, it will always be something else. People need something to look forward to. What exactly do you propose that endgame people do to occupy the time they normally spend working towards abjurations? Seriously.

[Paegan]

You're slightly silly if you think people go to aery because they think the conversation and environment is nice. Some people have been pining over their "defining" bodypiece for years now (I can't think how long ranahon's been in that stupid zone to no avail), they've worked themselves up into a fit over something they thought would make them the quintessential PLD, RDM, BRD, WAR, DRK, THF, what have you and they view not having it as not living up to what they see as their potential. Is it ridiculous? Absolutely, but neither you nor I speak for the motivation of thousands of others. Furthermore, you're out of your retarded little mind if you think that some shell in there doesn't at least have 1 person running something in hopes they can cash in. And don't make me laugh. The "clean rep" of your LS was likely almost entirely based on the fact that your shell has done little to stir up any potential drama in the first place. If you claim, someone's saying you're botting. Every time you do something for the sake of your LS members, someone will be shit talking you. Don't like it? Tough, that's the nature of the retarded bullshit that goes on in king camps. You have 3 options when it comes to dealing with people who, frankly, do not give a shit to ruin your day with their 3rd party programs.

1) Do it yourself (your mileage may vary.)
2) Don't do it and hope to bag claim on a HQ once every couple of months. (1 month since our last nidhogg, 5 since the one before that.)
3) Leave the zone (3 of those months lost were due to this).

Why bother sugar coating it. Assume what you want from me giving him an honest answer but I really couldn't care less. Like I said, it sucks, but your idealistic bullshit when someone is likely doing very very shady things for the benefit of even your friends is laughable. Then again, what do I care. For all intents and purposes I was done with aery (uncontested for months, mind you) a year and 2 months ago.

I have no need to make any assumptions about someone who has admitted to using 3rd party tools himself, and defended those who have been banned for doing the same. It's pretty obvious where you stand.

And I really don't give a shit about your jaded, cynical view of this game and the people in it, but don't try to bring me and others down to your level. No, not everyone does that, not on our server anyway. That's just your lameass excuse again. Get some balls and dispense with the kindergarden "waaaah he beat me, he must cheat" and "he started it" get-out clauses. You either choose to cheat or you don't, it really is that simple.

[Ryko]

You're slightly silly if you think people go to aery because they think the conversation and environment is nice. Some people have been pining over their "defining" bodypiece for years now (I can't think how long ranahon's been in that stupid zone to no avail), they've worked themselves up into a fit over something they thought would make them the quintessential PLD, RDM, BRD, WAR, DRK, THF, what have you and they view not having it as not living up to what they see as their potential. Is it ridiculous? Absolutely, but neither you nor I speak for the motivation of thousands of others. Furthermore, you're out of your retarded little mind if you think that some shell in there doesn't at least have 1 person running something in hopes they can cash in. And don't make me laugh. The "clean rep" of your LS was likely almost entirely based on the fact that your shell has done little to stir up any potential drama in the first place. If you claim, someone's saying you're botting. Every time you do something for the sake of your LS members, someone will be shit talking you. Don't like it? Tough, that's the nature of the retarded bullshit that goes on in king camps. You have 3 options when it comes to dealing with people who, frankly, do not give a shit to ruin your day with their 3rd party programs.

1) Do it yourself (your mileage may vary.)
2) Don't do it and hope to bag claim on a HQ once every couple of months. (1 month since our last nidhogg, 5 since the one before that.)
3) Leave the zone (3 of those months lost were due to this).

Why bother sugar coating it. Assume what you want from me giving him an honest answer but I really couldn't care less. Like I said, it sucks, but your idealistic bullshit when someone is likely doing very very shady things for the benefit of even your friends is laughable. Then again, what do I care. For all intents and purposes I was done with aery (uncontested for months, mind you) a year and 2 months ago.

I have no need to make any assumptions about someone who has admitted to using 3rd party tools himself, and defended those who have been banned for doing the same. It's pretty obvious where you stand.

And I really don't give a shit about your jaded, cynical view of this game and the people in it, but don't try to bring me and others down to your level. No, not everyone does that, not on our server anyway. That's just your lameass excuse again. Get some balls and dispense with the kindergarden "waaaah he beat me, he must cheat" and "he started it" get-out clauses. You either choose to cheat or you don't, it really is that simple.

Last I checked you don't see me whining and complaining when we lose a claim in /say. At the very worst you see me railing people for doing that very thing after they manage to fall short one day (some of them really are entertaining to poke. To see them fall over themselves in an attempt to finger point, only to contrdict themselves or just speak based off of a standard they have no idea if they can even obtain), and it really doesn't matter who it's about. One day I basically tell people to shut it for bitching about LP taking a bit long to kill it, next day I'm throwin a LP member right into it for doing the same thing on an issue they had no experience to talk about. Is it all of them/you? Nah, but you're funny to imply that I defend cheaters as opposed to just arguing with inexperienced blowhards. You're telling me that you can say without a doubt that no one in your shell at any time looked at the odds in dragon's aery and went "well [so and so] is obviously using this so if we don't we're screwed"? Sometimes that's not an "excuse" as much as it is knowing what you're up against. You can't speak for everyone in your LS, the very same way that I can't speak for everyone in mine. Even if you could, if you were remotely honest with yourself you wouldn't say such a thing. It's just hard to admit the opposite to yourself (let alone publically).

Your talk is just that, an assumption, at best. In reality it's speculation based off of the very thing I mentioned, talk from people who likely can do nothing better when they don't see the mob red one day. "Oh he admitted to using POS once", yeah and I got a 3 day suspension for nothing at all. Guess it evened out, huh. In this case, this guy does know what he's up against. He doesn't have to think or be unsure of it, so it's very very clear what he could do to get what he wants. If anything it takes bigger balls to not cry over spilled milk and show up the next day when you know the odds arent all that great than it is holding on to some naive pristine idealistic view of a situation that is anything but. Who implied lacking human choice in this issue? There were options there for a reason, buddy.

[Cloaking]

I think it was the right time to post this since right after the maint people are going to be rushing to claim shit right away and they were.

So everyone on unicorn bots and siht's fair so why not just give bots to everyone on the forums and just make everything fair and easy.

If everyone has access to bots then there'd be less drama and shit going on. I'm sure people on bismarck, a server with relatively few botters, would love to actually get claims over the kuwaiti fucks and their cafe.

[Ayn]

You're slightly silly if you think people go to aery because they think the conversation and environment is nice. Some people have been pining over their "defining" bodypiece for years now

DANT?

Anyhow:

No, not everyone does that, not on our server anyway.

You are so completely oblivious to the sad state of affairs on Fairy that it's pathetic.

[Jhun]

You need personal therapy go surf the forums everywhere and if you call a certain minority of people fucks then you're the retarded one.
Nothing makes you special even if you're NA.

[Ryko]

Wow, that almost made sense.

[Jhun]

english is not my first language so meh.

[Ryko]

I'm guessing you're mad someone's badmouthing your shell <_<

[Jhun]

no not at all, everyone badmouths each shell that succeeds it's human nature maybe lol. But why the hatred towards origins?
this fucking jap this shit kuwaiti and this blah blah (nationality that isn't from NA)... I don't think anyone would agree on other nationalities to badmouth the NAs, our shell consists of 75% NA maybe more and yeah all of them bots might aswell include the (NA botters) in the shit you're talking about

No offence to you all but from what I see and hear Cloaking is 14 year old and ww;;ww;w; all the time.

[Ryko]

Oh ok now it makes sense to me. Fair enough.

[Jhun]

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