So how do you deal with...

[Plow]

Would you like to rent a Ridill for 125 gil?

(Yes, please.)

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

Let me play the ignorant fool oblivious to your statement, please LW.

WAFIK JUST SAID RIDILL SUX GUYS.

IMO, RIDILL > SKILL > GEAR > RACE AHAHAHH HAHA RIGHT?!!!>

[chiz]

Nothing from dynamis even compares to a Ridill or Dring except Horn and Shield.

Heh, now you're just trolling. SRing alone is on par with Dring (with NIN or /NIN), and paired up with Smantle, Dynamis drops can be better. And Guess what? Not only is drop rate better, you don't have to bot it and could easily kill 2 Slords for every KB. Ridill is amazing for one job, just like relics are for their respective jobs. Ridill WAR isn't the end all, be all, sorry, its just not (anymore at least).

To add to what Wafik and Aurik are saying, there's nothing that compares to relic if the relic is for the job you enjoy playing the most. Unless you've completed a relic, you simply wouldn't understand. Its easily the most gratifying and amazing quest/accomplishment I've experienced in FFXI and there's simply not much I haven't seen and done. My only regret when I'm done with FFXI is the reality that not all of my friends from this game will be able to experience the thrill of completing a relic for themselves.

As I stated in my 1st post in this thread, I'd much rather spend the 2-3 hours a day I spend in Aery doing Dynamis. There's no doubt in my mind that having a chance to upgrade relic would make more people happy than even Ridill or Dring. Being able to do Dynamis every day would mean completed relics in 2-3 weeks instead of 3-4 months. I'm sure not all of my LS would enjoy that, but using an example like Xarcabard, you've got a chance at an item for everyone 2x a week instead of just a chance at making 1-2 people happy.

[Beckwin]

I've been in a party with two relics also. They were Excalibur and Excalibur.

God what a fucking awful party.

Dynamis drop rates are shitty too. Shadow Mantle is a joke- only application is for bloodtanking and uh, lolbloodtanking. Shadow Ring is pretty nice.

[aurik]

I had a fucking blast meriting until 6 AM when we got our first Ridill that went to a guy who's been in the shell forever and is the type that deserves two of the damn things.

Fafnir is a pretty fun fight btw. I really don't get any enjoyment out of dynamis fights. DL is neat the first time I guess, but a sub 1 minute fight loses its novelty pretty fast.

And I had a blast meritting until 6AM with my spharai; I also enjoyed mellow manaburn duo/trio xp to get my blm to 75. I didn't have to cheat for either of those: I didn't spend weeks of my life staring at flappy darters and botting just so that I could have some fun.

You can fight fafnir any day of the week, btw, it's called limbus. You follow up with a KB fight, too. It's actually quite fun; I'd do it more if I wasn't already so damn busy doing fun stuff.

[Beckwin]

You keep calling botting cheating, which is true in a sense. But windower is cheating too. And SE can't do shit about either :/

When something becomes so widespread and in the end doesn't give you an advantage over all the other botters (just puts you on the same level), how can you still get sand up the vag over it? Certainly server context takes a role, but c'mon.

[NynJa]

lol @ farming cities for currency being more entertaining than sitting in aery doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for 2hrs and 50 minutes.

fixed

[aurik]

You keep calling botting cheating, which is true in a sense. But windower is cheating too. And SE can't do shit about either :/

When something becomes so widespread and in the end doesn't give you an advantage over all the other botters (just puts you on the same level), how can you still get sand up the vag over it? Certainly server context takes a role, but c'mon.

I've yet to find someone that says the rampant use of windower impedes their ability to have fun.

Botting, on the other hand, is specifically designed to enhance your group's ability to lay claim to hotly contested fights. It's SOLE PURPOSE is to prevent people who are competing with you from having the fun they are staring at darters for.

Edit: time for Dynamis-Tavnazia. Have fun not fighting stuff for 2 hrs.

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

Your statements flows with an abundance of validity.

Too bad watching a sword swing 3 times w/ march. haste etc makes me hawt. (because you can't double attack with Spharai amirite?)

I don't think there's any way out of aurik's logic unless you like the obligation of cheating.

[Tom Chambers]

You keep calling botting cheating, which is true in a sense. But windower is cheating too.

Windower is cheating. But it's not fucking over other players. Botting is.

[epigram]

You keep calling botting cheating, which is true in a sense.

I hope you never have children, ever.

[Plow]

You keep calling botting cheating, which is true in a sense. But windower is cheating too. And SE can't do shit about either :/

When something becomes so widespread and in the end doesn't give you an advantage over all the other botters (just puts you on the same level), how can you still get sand up the vag over it? Certainly server context takes a role, but c'mon.

Hey I have some advice for you.

Step 1: Get a fork very very hot.

Step 2: Insert said fork into a bodily orifice.

Step 3: Twist.

After you're done with that, go hook up your game genie, beat the shit out of Bond (with invincibility and unlimited ammo of course), and come back and brag about it.

We'll all be impressed by your accomplishment, I promise.

[Beckwin]

I'm not advocating initiating botting in a no-botting paradise. I'm saying that if your competition is doing it, you've really got no choice if you want to compete.

And you could say windower is giving you an advantage via Tparty, distance, being able to dual box on a single machine, etc. If you want to get technical, Windower and <bot of choice> are both 3PP and are breaking the exact same rules.

[epigram]

And you could say windower is giving you an advantage via Tparty, distance, being able to dual box on a single machine, etc. If you want to get technical, Windower and <bot of choice> are both 3PP and are breaking the exact same rules.

Windower is to jaywalking as botting is to theft.

Both are against the law, but one screws another person over.

Regardless, someone has to start botting, and if someone isnt' botting then those who are botting are gaining a significant advantage.

The problem with ffxi isn't the bots, isn't the rmt, it's the dip shits that cheat at the game and fuck others over. It's the reason my ls is holding back on doing JoL again; it's the reason why DA, VS, and BD are bot fests, it's the reason why RMT are all over the place.

It's because of immature cheating, greedy, no self-esteem, fags.

[Faris]

sigh, another enormous thread on anti-botting/botting.
this is as simple as it can be put:

Option A:
Use claim bots and start claiming HNMs, for your LS to be happy. Just like most of the endgame LSs. (if what they wish for is Abj.)

Option B:
sit on your asses flaming people, and wishing them harm in Real Life on forums, and maybe miraculously claim a King once in a blue moon, and when you claim, it will be too long for you to remember how to fight it, or just be so nervous, and ecstatic that you fuck up so much, you cause a wipe. Then you can come here and tell the FFXI community how there is no need for botting. "Look we claimed a Nidhogg, last summer!"

Choose option B, and rest asure that many of your members will be so deseperate on getting a King item, that it may cause a huge drama in the LS if a certain person didn't get a certain item.
This is just an example i have witnessed:
non-botting LS claimed KB. when they finally killed it, a DRK said to Leader: "I want to exchange all my points for that Pixie Earring"
i mean, how pathetic is that? a fucking pixie earring.
you know why he said that? because he knows, it will be a very very long time til they claim their second KB.

You guys after all these years and you still beating on a dead horse, while other LSs got all the desired Gear and fought all those lucious HNMs.

[epigram]

For a lot of people out there.

Integrity > 2-3 hit sword.

Some of us didn't use game genies either.

[chiz]

sigh, another enormous thread on anti-botting/botting.
this is as simple as it can be put:

Option A:
Use claim bots and start claiming HNMs, for your LS to be happy. Just like most of the endgame LSs. (if what they wish for is Abj.)

Option B:
sit on your asses flaming people, and wishing them harm in Real Life on forums, and maybe miraculously claim a King once in a blue moon, and when you claim, it will be too long for you to remember how to fight it, or just be so nervous, and ecstatic that you fuck up so much, you cause a wipe. Then you can come here and tell the FFXI community how there is no need for botting. "Look we claimed a Nidhogg, last summer!"

Choose option B, and rest asure that many of your members will be so deseperate on getting a King item, that it may cause a huge drama in the LS if a certain person didn't get a certain item.
This is just an example i have witnessed:
non-botting LS claimed KB. when they finally killed it, a DRK said to Leader: "I want to exchange all my points for that Pixie Earring"
i mean, how pathetic is that? a fucking pixie earring.
you know why he said that? because he knows, it will be a very very long time til they claim their second KB.

You guys after all these years and you still beating on a dead horse, while other LSs got all the desired Gear and fought all those lucious HNMs.

Option C: Form a LS founded on cheating and botting, then act /surprised when douche bag leader of said LS steals the bank and fucks you over.

[Tom Chambers]

Integrity > 2-3 hit sword.

LMAO!

I'm laughing not because I disagree with this statement in any way. I'm laughing because probably for SOOOO many people playing this game, the above statement is totally alien. They too probably laugh when they read it, but for a totally different reason and that's horribly sad on an extreme level.

[Makore]

People keep acting like it's impossible to claim without botting. It can be done, it is, repeatedly, and will continue to be done. Botting doesn't 100% guarentee the botters claim. There is still a chance a legit player will beat them - be it because of the delay claim system, lag, quick reflexes, whateveryouwanttoinserthere.

Our linkshell in a course of 2 weeks got 2 ridills off Fafnirs we didn't bot. I call it karma.

(Edit, because I fail at spelling.)

[divisortheory]

Nothing from dynamis even compares to a Ridill or Dring except Horn and Shield.

The game is clearly a job to you. Therefore you fail. End of discussion.