So how do you deal with...

[Ishido]

I'm so happy I got most of my gear out of the way before now, and I'm so happy I don't need a ridill. That being said, once I get WAR to 75 it's going to suck wanting a Ridill, EBody, and Nhead.

[camdon]

Quick Beckwin! Show them your 2737 damage Sidewinder on a Colibri! That'll put these people - claiming to have this so-called "fun - in their place!

But seriously, lol@Beckwin. If only his manatee of a girlfriend could comfort him in her fat folds.

[archibaldcrane]

Similar to buying gil to buy stuff off the AH, I just don't think I'd enjoy gear I received due to botting. It wouldn't make me feel good about the enhancement the gear gave me, and building up your characters (and feeling good about it) is about all you do in FFXI.

[Shinryuu]

Beckwin lost when he mentioned the windower D:

[Plow]

Beckwin lost when he mentioned the windower D:

He lost when he bought a bot.

He admitted it when he mentioned the windower.

[Beckwin]

sigh, another enormous thread on anti-botting/botting.
this is as simple as it can be put:

Option A:
Use claim bots and start claiming HNMs, for your LS to be happy. Just like most of the endgame LSs. (if what they wish for is Abj.)

Option B:
sit on your asses flaming people, and wishing them harm in Real Life on forums, and maybe miraculously claim a King once in a blue moon, and when you claim, it will be too long for you to remember how to fight it, or just be so nervous, and ecstatic that you fuck up so much, you cause a wipe. Then you can come here and tell the FFXI community how there is no need for botting. "Look we claimed a Nidhogg, last summer!"

Choose option B, and rest asure that many of your members will be so deseperate on getting a King item, that it may cause a huge drama in the LS if a certain person didn't get a certain item.
This is just an example i have witnessed:
non-botting LS claimed KB. when they finally killed it, a DRK said to Leader: "I want to exchange all my points for that Pixie Earring"
i mean, how pathetic is that? a fucking pixie earring.
you know why he said that? because he knows, it will be a very very long time til they claim their second KB.

You guys after all these years and you still beating on a dead horse, while other LSs got all the desired Gear and fought all those lucious HNMs.

This is the fucking reality of it. And I really don't see how botting is screwing someone over who is also botting :/

The game is clearly a job to you. Therefore you fail. End of discussion.

The 75thf/29war is telling me I fail. You'd get outdamaged by a well-geared thief with berserk on anything that matters, even with your mandau. Sounds really fun.

[aurik]

The 75thf/29war is telling me I fail. You'd get outdamaged by a well-geared thief with berserk on anything that matters, even with your mandau. Sounds really fun.

Facts, who needs them anyway?

[Zalius]

The 75thf/29war is telling me I fail. You'd get outdamaged by a well-geared thief with berserk on anything that matters, even with your mandau. Sounds really fun.

Facts, who needs them anyway?

i think after deciphering his grammar he meant uh, a well geared thief w/o berserk would outdamage him w/berserk

[chiz]

The 75thf/29war is telling me I fail. You'd get outdamaged by a well-geared thief with berserk on anything that matters, even with your mandau. Sounds really fun.

Facts, who needs them anyway?

i think after deciphering his grammar he meant uh, a well geared thief w/o berserk would outdamage him w/berserk

I think he meant that a L75 THF w/out Mandau and a properly leveled subjob could outdamage him using Sharkbite......which is just lol. My e-peen shrinks a little bit every time I have to use Sharkbite instead of Mercy...its just not even close.

And Beckwin, once again, you're describing your reality, but once again, thanks for playing. You're better off posting your opinions here, at least the other trash will agree with you.

PS Got Faf again today, one of those days I would've been surprised if we didn't, having @50% of the people in the zone and all.

[Beckwin]

Yeah, I fucked up that 75thf/29war thingy. Still, denying yourself a point or two of STR for Mercy Stroke because of your gimp fucking sub is sad.

I'm saying you look silly trying to pretend botting doesn't exist, or that you're too good for botting, or that it could never be deemed a necessity to be somewhat successful on ground in any context. Keep up the pretentious holier-than-thou-stuff if you want, maybe you feel it makes you look good or whatever. Either your LS is likely botting and you're turning your head from it, or you're on some backwoods paradise server, or you couldn't handle ground and got the fuck out.

Re: ground v. dynamis- Ground camps you can waste time between windows doing things much more entertaining than sleeping mobs, voking slept mobs, or paying general attention to killing stuff in dynamis. Great time to do homework, watch a movie, forum whore, whatever your fancy is. Dynamis is just as bad as ground from a design standpoint, imo.

PS- got Nid today in a full aery (of botters), Mbody went to one of my best friends in FFXI. I was driving back from a weekend in Tucson visiting my bro and some friends ; ; NO CHARLES NOOOO

[chiz]

Yeah, I fucked up that 75thf/29war thingy. Still, denying yourself a point or two of STR for Mercy Stroke because of your gimp fucking sub is sad.

Wow lol, so you did really think Berserk was L30. And I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt. :/

I'm saying you look silly trying to pretend botting doesn't exist, or that you're too good for botting, or that it could never be deemed a necessity to be somewhat successful on ground in any context. Keep up the pretentious holier-than-thou-stuff if you want, maybe you feel it makes you look good or whatever. Either your LS is likely botting and you're turning your head from it, or you're on some backwoods paradise server, or you couldn't handle ground and got the fuck out.

I know botting exists, I deal with it daily. Just saying that if you think you need to bot "to get a piece of the pie", you've already lost, in FFXI and irl.

Re: ground v. dynamis- Ground camps you can waste time between windows doing things much more entertaining than sleeping mobs, voking slept mobs, or paying general attention to killing stuff in dynamis. Great time to do homework, watch a movie, forum whore, whatever your fancy is. Dynamis is just as bad as ground from a design standpoint, imo.

Right, and having to pay attention for @20 minutes out of 180 is a big reason why we don't see it as a complete waste of time and resources if we have nothing else going on. I guess that's 180/180 for you though heh.

As for Dynamis vs. Ground Camps....you already ignored the pertinent comparisons I made earlier, so just stop comparing. Believe it or not, some people do enjoy actually playing this game so that they can put their "hard-earned" l337z gears from Ground Camps to use.

PS- got Nid today in a full aery (of botters), Mbody went to one of my best friends in FFXI. I was driving back from a weekend in Tucson visiting my bro and some friends ; ; NO CHARLES NOOOO

That's awesome, the real question is whether or not you managed to avoid lying, stealing, or cheating from your brother and friends during your visit.

[Beckwin]

No, I didn't think berserk was lvl 30. I got mixed up as lvl 30 is when berserk is accessed when warrior is your SJ (i.e. you get berserk as drk30/war15). Probably the result of a late night last night, w/e. Made a mistake.

You can get a piece of the pie w/o botting, but not really a big enough piece to justify the time spent camping anymore, depending on your server.

That's awesome, the real question is whether or not you managed to avoid lying, stealing, or cheating from your brother and friends during your visit.

and irl.

Are you fucking retarded? Does pretending not to bot help your real life, chiz? Now, no one can really prove that anyone bots, but we both can fairly reliably tell who might be botting in aery, correct? From what I've heard, there are definitely some bots in your shell :/ So now you're just the biggest hypocrite in thread, but you'll still keep posturing to try and save face, etc.

[aurik]

It's kinda funny how people use "you don't have to actually be at the keyboard" as a pro rather than a con. You're paying for access and then playing the game in a way such that you don't actually do anything, and then cite it as a benefit over, you know, doing stuff that might be fun.

Furthermore, you decide to get botting software so that you don't even have to pay attention for the 4 minutes of pop window each hour, ingenius!

[Krandor]

lol @ Progessquest

[Beckwin]

Dynamis isn't something that fits in the category of fun :/ And unless you want to look like a tard by dying after you bot claim, you aren't gonna be afk during windows.

Camping ground isn't especially fun. But thanks to Windower, the time spent is bearable, and thanks to bots, the time spent is more worthwhile (again, depending on your server). Dynamis is just skullraping agony that you need to pay half-attention to for over three hours.

Anyways, I think there's confusion here... I'm not saying everyone should bot. I'm saying that in some cases its the only way to make your time in aery worthwhile, and that it isn't worth bitching about. There's no way to fight botting. So if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. In a twisted way, that's the only way to make any progress- if everyone has roughly the same number of botters, you're all back on square one as far as "advantages" go. So, if that's the situation, why complain? It's as pointless as calling a GM on everyone who outclaims you.

[chiz]

Are you fucking retarded? Does pretending not to bot help your real life, chiz? Now, no one can really prove that anyone bots, but we both can fairly reliably tell who might be botting in aery, correct?

I just might be since I'm one of the minority who feel cheating is wrong lol. On the flip side of things, you're sitting here trying to justify cheating since its clear you've already lost the moral battle in determining whether cheating is right or wrong. You might think its innocuous now, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think this breakdown in morality won't affect your judgments and decisions later in life, and you can bank on that.

From what I've heard, there are definitely some bots in your shell :/ So now you're just the biggest hypocrite in thread, but you'll still keep posturing to try and save face, etc.

Right, one guy who made a claim he couldn't back up and hasn't revisited the thread since sure is damning evidence. I gave very discrete evidence to the contrary but I guess that's meaningless heh. I guess the most obvious question is, if we botted from the beginning and we essentially split pulls with 1 shell, how did all these other shells even get the opportunity to claim/kill Fafhogg?

[Krandor]

Beckwin, you say you hate Dynamis, and hate Ground Kings, that's like 2/3s of Endgame, why are you even playing FFXI at this point?

[aurik]

Dynamis isn't something that fits in the category of fun :/ And unless you want to look like a tard by dying after you bot claim, you aren't gonna be afk during windows.

Camping ground isn't especially fun. But thanks to Windower, the time spent is bearable, and thanks to bots, the time spent is more worthwhile (again, depending on your server). Dynamis is just skullraping agony that you need to pay half-attention to for over three hours.

Dynamis isn't for everyone. A large majority of people in my dynamis shell find it fun enough to come back week after week, but hey, not everyone likes the same things.

The irony here is that you consistently repeat the point that you're blowing hours every day doing something you find is boring as hell, and then cheat to make it more worthwhile, because the only thing worse than blowing 3 hours darterstaring instead of enjoying yourself, is blowing 3 hours darterstaring and having nothing to show for it afterwards.

When the game you play in your leisure time ceases to be fun, it's time to find a new game. Sounds like you're way beyond that point to me.

[Ryko]

For some people, the "fun" is in the bottom line, the item acquisition. They deem those things that they don't find fun as being "worth the cost" to obtain what they do look forward to. Or it might be another factor, but the process in of itself isn't a barrel of monkeys for a lot of people. Lord knows the only saving grace to dyna runs for me is the shit talk that happens on vent while we're doing it >_>

[Beckwin]

Chiz: I don't think cheating is right, I just think the reality is that it's necessary to make the zilart ground situation worthwhile in many cases.

Just because a few guys in your LS bot doesn't mean you're gonna dominate claims. You've agreed to that yourself- it doesn't take a bot to get a claim. But spoilers: I talk to a few people that play on Fairy; I'm not just going on what Macharazeel said. So if you want to keep looking like a hypocrite, I guess that's your business. Seriously, someone who spams GM calls yet can be 100% sure no one in his own shell bots even though other people strongly believe they do.....

Aurik: I said camping is boring, i.e. the half hour between windows. It's a design flaw imo (one of many in this game, but I still find the game fun enough to overlook them). However, bullshitting on vent, watching youtube, doing whatever else is fun. The fights themselves are fun.

Krandor: Dynamis and the three Zilart kings are 2/3 of ffxi endgame? Be realistic. Sky, Sea, CoP NMs and HNM, Limbus, ToAU HNMs etc. And again, when I say camping I refer to the downtime between windows.

And yes, I really do dislike dynamis. Maybe its because I'm a pld.

Besides endgame, I also enjoy levelling in a static, occasionally meriting, doing assaults, and just talking to my friends in this game.