So, MNKs: (regarding 10/18 patch)

[Michaera]

Icon of DestroyersDestroyers
Level: 73
Flags: Rare / Exclusive
Slot: Weapon
Type: Hand-to-Hand: Cesti
Jobs: BST DRK MNK PLD RDM RNG THF WAR
Races: All
Damage: +5
Delay: +48
TP Per Hit: 3.9%
Equipment Category:
   Weapons / Hand-to-Hand
Effects for Destroyers:

    * Latent Effect: Damage 18
    * Latent Effect: Critical Hit Rate +6%

or

Hades Sainti +1 [Hand-to-hand]
DMG:+19 Delay:+49
Accuracy+9 Evasion+9
"Subtle Blow"+9
Enmity+9
Lvl.70 WAR, MNK, BST, NIN, PUP

I'm assuming the latter is going to be a goldsmithing synth, as a lot of the other Sainti type weapons are, and thus nearly impossible to see this HQed, but is this the new meripo weapon? 1 more damage, 1 more delay, and 9 acc, eva, enmity, and Subtle Blow to balance against the 6% crit rate on destroyers?

Discuss. :3 My opinion on the enmity is that a MNK in a merit party, especially TP spam, is likely to tank anyways, even with NIN sub, so the enmity+ is moot. But I'm not a MNK. Other thoughts?

[Raineer]

MNKs always told me that the critical rate of 6% was some kind of crazy misprint and should have said 26

[Minions]

Icon of DestroyersDestroyers
Level: 73
Flags: Rare / Exclusive
Slot: Weapon
Type: Hand-to-Hand: Cesti
Jobs: BST DRK MNK PLD RDM RNG THF WAR
Races: All
Damage: +5
Delay: +48
TP Per Hit: 3.9%
Equipment Category:
   Weapons / Hand-to-Hand
Effects for Destroyers:

    * Latent Effect: Damage 18
    * Latent Effect: Critical Hit Rate +6%

or

Hades Sainti +1 [Hand-to-hand]
DMG:+19 Delay:+49
Accuracy+9 Evasion+9
"Subtle Blow"+9
Enmity+9
Lvl.70 WAR, MNK, BST, NIN, PUP

I'm assuming the latter is going to be a goldsmithing synth, as a lot of the other Sainti type weapons are, and thus nearly impossible to see this HQed, but is this the new meripo weapon? 1 more damage, 1 more delay, and 9 acc, eva, enmity, and Subtle Blow to balance against the 6% crit rate on destroyers?

Discuss. :3 My opinion on the enmity is that a MNK in a merit party, especially TP spam, is likely to tank anyways, even with NIN sub, so the enmity+ is moot. But I'm not a MNK. Other thoughts?

Who cares about those for monk! Nin +9enmitylol

[Ryko]

Theyre worthless to non-soloing/tanking monks.

[Judai]

Eh, for dmg I would stick with my Destroyers. I don't want to tank in the merit pt, i just do cause ppl can't keep hate off me. They will be nice for those times I'm gonna be tanking on HNMs as MNK tho.

[Sylvana]

LOL @ the enmity good god. . .

[Xanatos-Siren]

in my opinion, the critical hit rate makes Destroyers better.
I think you will do more damage with the +6% critical then you would with the extra point of damage

[Devek]

The crit bonus of destroyers won't be beat by this weapon or any weapon SE add anytime in the future.

PUP can't wear destroyers though so a lot of these new H2H weapons are for them.

[Denchi]

They won't replace destroyers, but they look real hot for solonig

[Odd]

destroyers still best for mnk

these are for pup or solo/tank mnk

[Cjskater]

XP:

Icon of DestroyersDestroyers
Level: 73
Flags: Rare / Exclusive
Slot: Weapon
Type: Hand-to-Hand: Cesti
Jobs: BST DRK MNK PLD RDM RNG THF WAR
Races: All
Damage: +5
Delay: +48
TP Per Hit: 3.9%
Equipment Category:
   Weapons / Hand-to-Hand
Effects for Destroyers:

    * Latent Effect: Damage 18
    * Latent Effect: Critical Hit Rate +6%

Solo/Tanking:

Hades Sainti +1 [Hand-to-hand]
DMG:+19 Delay:+49
Accuracy+9 Evasion+9
"Subtle Blow"+9
Enmity+9
Lvl.70 WAR, MNK, BST, NIN, PUP

[Starr]

9 Accuracy = more able to use Meat while keeping Haste (Turban)
With /NIN the Enmity shouldn't matter, think these are more aimed at NIN tho maybe.

[Denchi]

Most career mnks don't have any problems with Acc, at least the ones I know.

But even if you're not a career Mnk (career = H2H merits I guess is what I'm referring to), I don't think the 9acc would justify taking them over Destroyers. There are other ways around that stuff.

[Xavier]

IMO they're just for nin enmity builds. Thats a fkton more enmity than nin can get in their weapons slot atm

[Denchi]

Were Destroyers ever wearable by Nin? I coulda sworn they were back when they first came out.

[asze]

Goodbye Imanotsurugi.

Hello Hades.

[Amara]

They'd be nice for wars and nins who kite, but not really a practical investment for a couple enmity im sure.

And isn't losing the +crit worse than losing the turban, considering all the other haste gear you're wearing?

[Michaera]

9 Accuracy = more able to use Meat while keeping Haste (Turban)
With /NIN the Enmity shouldn't matter, think these are more aimed at NIN tho maybe.

This is kinda what I was thinking. Especially if you're using Asuran Fists all the time, right? It's like an O hat for your hands. You could wear that Turban full time, concievably, right?

Noob enough, the NIN equippable stuff didn't occur to me, lol. Could definitely be put to use tanking some things on NIN where you need to hold hate but aren't getting hit enough to justify an earth/Terra's staff. And NIN actually has H2H skill (though probably not enough to merit feeding a mob TP).

So the question would probably be, is 1 DMG 1 delay 9 acc > 6% crit hits? Would probably have to be parsed to really know, but I respect the opinions you guys have posted so far.

edit: got myself mixed up.

[Denchi]

Most career mnks don't have any problems with Acc, at least the ones I know.

But even if you're not a career Mnk (career = H2H merits I guess is what I'm referring to), I don't think the 9acc would justify taking them over Destroyers. There are other ways around that stuff.

Point: I'd be really really really really really really REALLY fucking surprised if these were comparable to Destroyers in XP.

[Appie]

Ooooh... capped subtle+ with just gear and this for solo go! =D

These won't pwn Destroyers in XP, Destroyers are too close to Spharai for SE to make anything better?