Ashu Talif assault things

[Purplenv]

How close can you get to the path Bubbly is pacing without detection? So I can stand there, then run in when he's behind the Captain (so that he moves before I get there).

If you use the distance plugin, I stand at 20.0 - and I think you can go slightly closer, maybe down to 16-18, but 20 is plenty close enough for me. I just run in right as bubbly makes his turn to head back the opposity direction.

Last few times I've gone as RDM/NIN to run in, whack him with my staff, then run out, and I do it like this. I flee in as Bubbly begins to head away from the Captain. Each time, I get the "Huh?" so either I need SA, or something else is wrong.

Is your weapon already drawn when you are standing at 20 distance?

You will deffinately be detected if you wait to draw your staff when you stand behind the captain.

Other then this, I see no reason why you are having such problems... Once I had the first indications of what needed to be done, everything else was straight forward.

[Khamsin]

How close can you get to the path Bubbly is pacing without detection? So I can stand there, then run in when he's behind the Captain (so that he moves before I get there).

If you use the distance plugin, I stand at 20.0 - and I think you can go slightly closer, maybe down to 16-18, but 20 is plenty close enough for me. I just run in right as bubbly makes his turn to head back the opposity direction.

Last few times I've gone as RDM/NIN to run in, whack him with my staff, then run out, and I do it like this. I flee in as Bubbly begins to head away from the Captain. Each time, I get the "Huh?" so either I need SA, or something else is wrong.

Is your weapon already drawn when you are standing at 20 distance?

You will deffinately be detected if you wait to draw your staff when you stand behind the captain.

Other then this, I see no reason why you are having such problems... Once I had the first indications of what needed to be done, everything else was straight forward.

I stand near bottom of stairs, I engage so my staff is drawn, I pop Powder Boots, I wait until Bubbly begins to turn away then I run up the stairs and whack the captain.

He says "Huh? What are you doing here!" then I run away, someone in my PT grabs Bubbly and once I flee far enough, I automatically disengaged, then I just Dia the captain, and continue kiting without losing hate.

The captain never really even gets close to me, he just shoots at me mostly, so kiting is easy, at least. I go as RDM/NIN. I recast Dia every so often, usually before it even wears. I never lose hate. And I'm sure Bubbly doesn't see me first since I've never been hit by Bubbly. Captain just says "Huh? What are you doing here!" then I run out, and only the Captain has tried taking swings at me before someone gets Bubbly.

[draxyl]

I stand a bit closer and don't use flee. If I had to estimate it, a few steps ahead of the top of the stairs...maybe almost half way across the room to the captain. Don't know why you're having problems, sounds like you're doing everything right...

You are pulling both imps individually to the main deck right? That's the only thing I can think of...

[Khamsin]

I stand a bit closer and don't use flee. If I had to estimate it, a few steps ahead of the top of the stairs...maybe almost half way across the room to the captain. Don't know why you're having problems, sounds like you're doing everything right...

You are pulling both imps individually to the main deck right? That's the only thing I can think of...

We pull each imp, one by one, to the lower outside deck where you first pop. Are you supposed to take them to the upper deck or something?

And by few steps ahead of top of the stairs, does that mean you're actually on the stairs when you run in?

[Jer]

If the Imps have anything to do with it, the lower deck is fine, we've gotten the extra chest and surprised the captain fighting them there.

[Khamsin]

Just did it again, still "Huh? What are you doing here?!".

Do I need SA, or have people been able to do it with a non-SA hit to the back?

[Purplenv]

No Sneak Attack needed, I'm sure of that one.

I think you are just starting to far back.

You can be standing in the middle of the captain/bubbly's room without getting aggro from the monkey. You shouldn't anywhere near the steps.

I think you are getting spotted by Bubbly before you get your attack off, and just because he doesn't get close enough to actually attack you (that you can see), all he has to do is turn around on the other side of the upper platform there, and you will be busted.

If my group ever gets together again, I will take a screen before I make my dash for the surprise attack, there is absolutely no need for you to use powder boots if you get as close as you can.

[Khamsin]

No Sneak Attack needed, I'm sure of that one.

I think you are just starting to far back.

You can be standing in the middle of the captain/bubbly's room without getting aggro from the monkey. You shouldn't anywhere near the steps.

I think you are getting spotted by Bubbly before you get your attack off, and just because he doesn't get close enough to actually attack you (that you can see), all he has to do is turn around on the other side of the upper platform there, and you will be busted.

If my group ever gets together again, I will take a screen before I make my dash for the surprise attack, there is absolutely no need for you to use powder boots if you get as close as you can.

I stand near the bottom of the curved stairs leading up to the captain, not the ones at the entrance to the room.

Can I stand on the stairs right by the captain and still not be spotted?

I stood closer than 20.0 and used powder boots...

Plus, doesn't he say something different when Bubbly spots you?

[eva00r]

No powder boots or sneak attack are needed. Just complete the S/I/D spells before you go backstab him. You can stand on the platform.

[Khamsin]

No powder boots or sneak attack are needed. Just complete the S/I/D spells before you go backstab him. You can stand on the platform.

I haven't been sneak/invisible or deodorizing, though does that really do anything for this?

[Kuropiko]

I don't know for a melee but here's how i do it...

We just pull the imps to the outside deck, where you pop, one by one and kill them. Then we go to the captain's room, i pull Carby out and get at a 17ish distance from him, Bubbly doesn't notice me from there.

Then i just watch Bubbly's cycle and launch Carby at the captain trying to get it hit him when Bubbly's looking to the other side.

If it's done wrong, which happens, he'll say "Huh ?! What are you doing here ?", and if it's ok he'll just say "Huh ?! What ?!"

Then the rest of my team takes Bubbly and i bring the captain to the main deck to Carby kite him.

The strange thing i noticed is that he'll always walk very slowly when you fail the pull for the 3rd chest, but if the pull is done right he'll run at about Striders speed, which makes the kiting a little more funky but not really hard at all, you just have to be faster.

So well... Unless Carby has permanent Sneak Attack activated, we can say it's not needed. I don't know how you can do as a melee if you already tried hitting him without being noticed by Bubbly. Did you try doing this with Sneak on so maybe he won't hear you ? Did you tried to pull him with a Ranged Attack ?

Ninja'd : Ok, didn't see the previous post where you said you didn't try Sneak. Just thinking about it since you need to pull the Imps outside so he doesn't hear you, so sound might be part of it and we all know Carbuncle doesn't aggro.

[Khamsin]

I don't know for a melee but here's how i do it...

We just pull the imps to the outside deck, where you pop, one by one and kill them. Then we go to the captain's room, i pull Carby out and get at a 17ish distance from him, Bubbly doesn't notice me from there.

Then i just watch Bubbly's cycle and launch Carby at the captain trying to get it hit him when Bubbly's looking to the other side.

If it's done wrong, which happens, he'll say "Huh ?! What are you doing here ?", and if it's ok he'll just say "Huh ?! What ?!"

Then the rest of my team takes Bubbly and i bring the captain to the main deck to Carby kite him.

The strange thing i noticed is that he'll always walk very slowly when you fail the pull for the 3rd chest, but if the pull is done right he'll run at about Striders speed, which makes the kiting a little more funky but not really hard at all, you just have to be faster.

So well... Unless Carby has permanent Sneak Attack activated, we can say it's not needed. I don't know how you can do as a melee if you already tried hitting him without being noticed by Bubbly. Did you try doing this with Sneak on so maybe he won't hear you ? Did you tried to pull him with a Ranged Attack ?

Ninja'd : Ok, didn't see the previous post where you said you didn't try Sneak. Just thinking about it since you need to pull the Imps outside so he doesn't hear you, so sound might be part of it and we all know Carbuncle doesn't aggro.

I'll try sneak next time. By the way, normally when I kite him, his running speed is a nonissue because he spends most of his time just standing and shooting at me. When I do this correctly, and he runs faster, will he still spend most of his time shooting at me, or will he start actually chasing me down and trying to own me?

[draxyl]

It sounds like you do the same thing I do on my thf really, don't know why you're getting screwed.

And yea, I meant a few steps into the captain's room, not up on the stairs right before the captain. You know where I'm talking about since you were standing around 20.0.

Only difference is I use SA, but everyone else here is saying they just normal attack and it works fine.

[Kuropiko]

I'll try sneak next time. By the way, normally when I kite him, his running speed is a nonissue because he spends most of his time just standing and shooting at me. When I do this correctly, and he runs faster, will he still spend most of his time shooting at me, or will he start actually chasing me down and trying to own me?

Sorry i can't help you for this one. With Carby kiting my pet runs to melee so i can't really know if he stands away shooting. I don't think his AI is changed at all so it should be the same, he just runs a lot faster.

[Stilgar]

In my experience, the captain running faster or slower doesn't depend on whether the conditions for the 3rd chest are met. That is, I've had a slow captain and still gotten 3 chests. I've yet to have a fast moving captain at all.

[Purplenv]

I had a fast moving captain last run, lost hate for 20 seconds till I /ra'd it again, and then it was a slow captain, and still got all 3 chests.

Hate was lost on the main deck, so well away from his room. If he had of gotten back to his room, I have no doubt that the 3rd chest would have been lost.

[Khamsin]

Can anyone confirm that you need Sneak/Invis for this? Has this been done without Sneak/Invis?

I don't understand why I can't seem to get the 3rd chest. I stand closer than 20.0, I even use Powder Boots and run in as Bubbly begins to turn and run away from the Captain. Given that people have done this without flee, I'm positive that by using flee and having my weapon already out, I make it before Bubbly turns around again.

I'll try casting Sneak next time, unless someone posts that they don't use Sneak and they still get the third chest from a melee hit to the back. Then I'll think of something else.

[draxyl]

Both times I've triggered the 3rd chest, I didn't use any sneak/invis. Just ran in and SA him.

[Skinner]

You don't need sneak/invis/sneak attack for this. We use nin and powder boots to hit the captain.

We did two runs last night got 3 chests the first run, but on the second run I forgot to cast Bio on him. He still chased me up to the outside deck but when he got there, he said the same dialog that he says when the monkey sees you. He lost hate for a split second before I could get him back and we only got 2 chests.

We got the pants second round though so who cares. 2/21 now

[Khamsin]

Both times I've triggered the 3rd chest, I didn't use any sneak/invis. Just ran in and SA him.

So, we know:

Don't need Sneak/Invis.
Don't need SATA.

Maybe there's an angle issue? The stairs you go up immediately behind the captain are slightly off to the side, so perhaps hitting him from a slight angle messes it up? Last time I tried, after going up the stairs, to scoot to the side to be more directly behind him but it changed nothing.

I know Flee doesn't mess it up (e.g. he "hears" you running or something) since I recall someone else posting they did it with Flee active and still got a 3rd chest.

I've tried hitting with both a staff and a joyeuse. I tried with Dia (once) and melee hits from the back (the rest of the time). I've always stood near the bottom of the steps immediately behind the Captain, so I've been close when I run in. I do it with Flee on as Bubbly begins to turn away so I'm positive he hasn't turned back by the time I get to the Captain. Unless getting too close to Bubbly's behind as he is running away is an issue, but I notice the Captain not saying anything until I actually swing at him; I've never noticed the dialogue prematurely.

I'm running out of ideas here.