Ashu Talif assault things

[draxyl]

Btw, if Purplenv is correct and figured out the mystery he totally needs to gets a scoobie snack.

[SassiAsura]

If you whiff your first hit you get aggro and he turns around... doesn't that sort of... solve nothing?

[draxyl]

If he wiffs on the first hit, and gets aggro, we're thinking the captain gives the message corresponding to just getting the 2 chests - i.e. he's not surprised. If he connects on that first hit, we're betting he'll get the "Ugh!, What?" text which means he'll get that 3rd chest.

[SassiAsura]

So a double attack sword would not change a damned thing. Get a Daylight one or the Night one... with ridiculous acc!

[Purplenv]

All he needs to do, is not use a staff, that may not even have a capped skill.

[Sheeny]

Go risk-free and use Sneak Attack. Guaranteed hit.

Also, are you dealing with the Imps downstairs properly? I've just found that you have to aggro them the same way (not facing them) or it screws up... something (3rd chest?).
I hadn't known this and on my static's 3rd or 4th run I was charging an imp head-on and everyone shouted "what're u doing??" and I'm just like the Captain. "Huh? Wut?" Fortunately that imp turned just before I got him so it didn't screw up.
Assuming this is true about the imps and you're clueless like me, it might be the cause of your problem.

[Khamsin]

On the topic of double attacking swords and dual wield: Aren't double attack and dual wield considered 2-4 hits in a single attack round? As in, wouldn't all 2-4 hits be counted as hitting before the Captain turns? As for my staff skill, I have Retribution, however RDM has no native staff skill.

As for the imps, I don't pull them, so I don't know which way the imps are facing when they pull. But we always fight them outside on deck.

[draxyl]

I have no clue what Sheeny is talking about with the imps, I'll try to do some drugs when I get home from work and re-read it.

[Miltani]

I don't think the direction of the imps matters when you pull them. I always pulled them with silence though. I might be wrong about the direction thingy.

[SassiAsura]

On the topic of double attacking swords and dual wield: Aren't double attack and dual wield considered 2-4 hits in a single attack round? As in, wouldn't all 2-4 hits be counted as hitting before the Captain turns? As for my staff skill, I have Retribution, however RDM has no native staff skill.

As for the imps, I don't pull them, so I don't know which way the imps are facing when they pull. But we always fight them outside on deck.

Nope, on first hit (or whiff) target turns red and turns around. Go try it out on colibri outside al zahbi or something

[Khamsin]

On the topic of double attacking swords and dual wield: Aren't double attack and dual wield considered 2-4 hits in a single attack round? As in, wouldn't all 2-4 hits be counted as hitting before the Captain turns? As for my staff skill, I have Retribution, however RDM has no native staff skill.

As for the imps, I don't pull them, so I don't know which way the imps are facing when they pull. But we always fight them outside on deck.

Nope, on first hit (or whiff) target turns red and turns around. Go try it out on colibri outside al zahbi or something

I know the target turns red on the first hit, but I asked if all 2-4 hits in the same attack round are considered to happen instantaneously.

Just because it turns red on the animation of the first swing means nothing. Afterall, there's several examples where the animation doesn't line up with the actual event.

e.g. a ranged attack from a mob hits the moment it begins to draw back it's bow, it is instant despite appearing to take a while.

A regular attack also registers the moment the mob begins swinging. The clearest example of this is on MNK mobs. If you're trying to time shadows between hits from a MNK mob, you can begin casting the moment it begins to swing since that is the actual moment it hits you. Even though it takes a second or two for the first fist to reach you (in animation), then another second or two for the other fist, the entire attack round did its whole damage at once (both punches) the moment it first started to pull back its fist to swing at you. Despite the fact that the log shows the damage from the two hits separately, per punch, one after the other.

Likewise, if I swing 4 times with Joy/Justice, and it goes red and turns on the first swing of Joyeuse, is that just the animation deceiving me and all 4 hits actually happened at once, or do all my hits actually happen separately?

[SassiAsura]

I'd assume they're all separate.
Go get a nightmare and daylight sword. :D

[Khamsin]

I'd assume they're all separate.
Go get a nightmare and daylight sword. :D

Or.. I could just go in with acc gear. I have capped sword skill + merits, as well as p.charm, wood/jaeger rings, p.body, optical hat, life belt, suppanomimi (sword skill), and if I really was desperate, I could eat sushi.

The Joy/Justice dual wield is just for extra measure.. I'm all but guaranteed a hit in the first attack round with that set up.

[SassiAsura]

Not as fun.

If you happen to Whiff the first round and succeed the Huh What thing. Let us know. A circumstance like this really isin't testable outside this bcnm I think.

[Priran]

On the topic of double attacking swords and dual wield: Aren't double attack and dual wield considered 2-4 hits in a single attack round? As in, wouldn't all 2-4 hits be counted as hitting before the Captain turns?

Charybdis's extra hits after the first won't interrupt spell casting, so I'd guess this is how it works.

[shi]

Does anyone kill the specter first? My group we always kill monkey first and we've gone like 0/7 on anything good what-so-ever. We're pretty consistent on 3 boxes as our THF sneaks up on him rather well. Tho cuz of the delay from his screen to mine it looks like he is going in quite late.

We've had 0 luck with anything actually, drop-wise from fights 1-3. No matron knives, saffires, pants, $ items. Nada. Wasting my IS away

What we do is have thf pull specter at proper time and he just kites it up and down(outside) I kill monkey(mnk/nin) and we have 2 rdm's cure bomb/haste/erase and 2 blms[This is if we go with 6, we've gone with 4 @ one point] Kill the monkey then kill the specter. Almost every time we've gotten 3 chests. Still doodoo for drops tho.


BTW: The Ashu Talif #3 has given me more guard skill ups on than anything else I've ever done ^^ Still gimpz tho -- 158 w/o gears

[draxyl]

Does anyone kill the specter first?

If you kill the Captain first, and just kite the monkey, you will only get two chests (if you properly "surprised" the captain) and the BC will end.

You get 1 chest for each of the following conditions:

- Killing the monkey
- Surprising the captain
- Killing the captain

[Kaylia]

I was War/nin and backstabbed the NM succesfully. My acc on it was around 85% with aggressor and meat, so hitting him wasnt a problem


I dunno why people are having trouble. Unless acc is that much of an issue, it's easy as hell to get to the captain before the monkey see you.


What I'm wondering now is if mistral axe works. You can Sneak attack this one, and it's range is huge.

[shi]

Does anyone kill the specter first?

If you kill the Captain first, and just kite the monkey, you will only get two chests (if you properly "surprised" the captain) and the BC will end.

You get 1 chest for each of the following conditions:

- Killing the monkey
- Surprising the captain
- Killing the captain

I know the conditions of obtaining 3 chests. I think I said that in my prior post. What I'm wondering is, if you 1st surprise the specter then 2.) kill the specter then 3.) kill the monkey if drops are different. as opposed to 1.) surprising specter, 2.)killing monkey, 3.) killing specter.

I'm just throwing up ideas cuz I'm tired of crap loot. I've never killed specter first cuz its a tougher mob to deal with, as he is easier to kite due to ranged attack he has. Was wondering, although the 2-3 chests may = the different loot for different conditions. Is it possible the order you kill may = different loot? Iunno, maybe I'm just trying to reassure myself there is hope for obtaining nice items

Is there anyone who does go about killing the specter first see a better loot pool? Or is there anyone who does kill the specter first?

BTW: A couple of nights ago Bubbly was pacing differently, not just straight back and forth, but also coming down a lil towards the door and across. While the specter was roaming, turning his face towards us @ times as well. Also the fight was much tougher than normal. No one died, but still tougher than the usual. We didnty get suprise attack on this one, so only got 2 chests. Anyone else experience this?

[mika]

That happens when you are too fast (killing the imps etc). He stand in the middle and wait for you and say something like "i expected you blabla".