Ranged Attack change, info prz

[Falaras]

I don't get this at all, the acc change is barely noticeable and my damage didn't change at all! I exped as my rng and did the exact same shitty dmg I used to do, using attack food STR gear all that jazz......

[shat]

i fought cerberus today and it was a mess. the performance was much worse than before the patch. rng/war with no buffs at all, ebow, and kaburas, i was hitting for 30dmg at 20 distance. not only that but accuracy was reallllllllllllllllllly awful. on the plus side, i ate a squid sushi+1 and never missed a shot afterwards.

i think it was just a higher level (maybe ninja buffed?) cerberus. smn were complaining about damage too.

[Raizins]

i fought cerberus today and it was a mess. the performance was much worse than before the patch. rng/war with no buffs at all, ebow, and kaburas, i was hitting for 30dmg at 20 distance. not only that but accuracy was reallllllllllllllllllly awful. on the plus side, i ate a squid sushi+1 and never missed a shot afterwards.

i think it was just a higher level (maybe ninja buffed?) cerberus. smn were complaining about damage too.

Cerberus has a defense up or something of the sort.

Fought him before (pre patch) and was doing good damage and we got him down fast. Wiped to gates and it regenned. 2nd time around, I was doing half the damage on all attacks, and it was taking us forever to get him down.

[Glade``]

I don't get this at all, the acc change is barely noticeable and my damage didn't change at all! I exped as my rng and did the exact same shitty dmg I used to do, using attack food STR gear all that jazz......

I think the problem is that your damage sucked to begin with. Pre update I was doing 280-350+50 holy shots berserked at perfect distance on Dweaps and about 2k-2.2 slug, whereas today damage was a bit less, holies hitting 180-250+50, slugs around 1800 (all distance 1.8), but meele hits were averaging 100 with some 160~ crits. Much faster tp, and not an mp sink ftw.

[Sadler]

MORE PICTURES!

I NEED MY RNG FIX BEFORE I BRING MINE OUT OF THE CLOSET!

GO GO!

Further do some Screenies please

I wanna see some /nin, /war, Bow, X-bow. Gun, Sushi, Meat and Kirin action....

GO GO!

[Kalyna]

People are forgetting the level adjustment penalty that was added during the Rng nerf. This played the biggest impact on the nerf, not the distance penalty.

Right now Rng is buffed up, yes, but in the sense that standing out of the sweet spot yields less decrease in damage than before.

The damage penalty from level difference is still there, though, and this is what really nerfed Rng in the endgame scene. This is likely the reason a poster above said he didn't notice much difference in damage when fighting Cerberus. The level difference penalty is still there.

[Moochi]

Test vs Kirin. Only true test!

[chiz]

i fought cerberus today and it was a mess. the performance was much worse than before the patch. rng/war with no buffs at all, ebow, and kaburas, i was hitting for 30dmg at 20 distance. not only that but accuracy was reallllllllllllllllllly awful. on the plus side, i ate a squid sushi+1 and never missed a shot afterwards.

i think it was just a higher level (maybe ninja buffed?) cerberus. smn were complaining about damage too.

Cerberus has a defense up or something of the sort.

Fought him before (pre patch) and was doing good damage and we got him down fast. Wiped to gates and it regenned. 2nd time around, I was doing half the damage on all attacks, and it was taking us forever to get him down.

Ya, Cerb seems to go into a latent mode (not quite rage timer, but clearly stronger) @15-20%, similar to CoP wyrms that last 20% or so. Others have reported the same thing on mobs like Tiamat, typically after a LS wipes during the last 20% and CFHs it. When reclaimed, it retains the latent mode and makes for a very difficult fight from 100%.

We inherited a 'roided up Cerb about a month ago after a bunch of JPs spent the entire morning repeatedly wiping to it. Made for a really long and annoying fight, since we only had 2 SAM and some BLMs. Hoplon took much longer to break through and WS without any Hoplon were doing about 1/2 of what they did normally.

[shat]

it's different though. my LS reguarly kills cerberus. i know that his def fluctuates a lot but this was a lot different. it took 2 minuets to get up to just 51 a shot. =/ i think they just might have ninja buffed cerberus, though. when he was introduced, he was a joke and i was able to stick 1k sidewinders.

anyway, i just bought a mercurial kris and i'm gonna go mess around in my "haste" build and devastate some mamools, hopefully.

[divisortheory]

I don't get this at all, the acc change is barely noticeable and my damage didn't change at all! I exped as my rng and did the exact same shitty dmg I used to do, using attack food STR gear all that jazz......

the acc change is barely noticeable, yet you used meat and forgot about the part where the update said "if you eat sushi you will achieve pre-nerf accuracy". Why would you expect your accuracy to change if you didn't do the one specific thing that they said you could do to increase your accuracy?

[Rag]

i dont care about endgame if its ground hnms

i did few kirins before this update and my damage was 120~ a shot and 500-600 slugshot (with a brd+sushi)

Rngs now owns so hard in

-limbus
-dynamis
-exp mobs
-pop nms
-sky/sea triggers
-gods/kirin
-mini events (like assaults-missions-quests etc)


Its not dead job as it used to be >.>;; who cares about rng damage anyway vs ground hnms people would still take blms and smns over anything so i dont care much about it

[Rag]

I don't get this at all, the acc change is barely noticeable and my damage didn't change at all! I exped as my rng and did the exact same shitty dmg I used to do, using attack food STR gear all that jazz......

the acc change is barely noticeable, yet you used meat and forgot about the part where the update said "if you eat sushi you will achieve pre-nerf accuracy". Why would you expect your accuracy to change if you didn't do the one specific thing that they said you could do to increase your accuracy?

He just suck if he didnt notice any damage/acc diffrent he is proply one of these bandwagon rngs and should go get sea before talking about rng update lol
the diffrent is very noticable i used to miss slugshots+norml shot alot with freakin full acc gear+atk food and after this update using full atk gear+atk food and i barely miss

the update didnt only effected your "food" to reach rng pre nerf this can be done using berserk / buffs or even equipment

they made equip/buff/abilitys/food not effected by the old nerf only skill is nerfed

[Glade``]

I don't get this at all, the acc change is barely noticeable and my damage didn't change at all! I exped as my rng and did the exact same shitty dmg I used to do, using attack food STR gear all that jazz......

the acc change is barely noticeable, yet you used meat and forgot about the part where the update said "if you eat sushi you will achieve pre-nerf accuracy". Why would you expect your accuracy to change if you didn't do the one specific thing that they said you could do to increase your accuracy?

I disagree. Acc was noticably higher on Dweaps. I was able to slug in full STR equipment at point blank range with meat and miss very, very infrequently. About once in four hours. Before the update, I would be hard pressed to land slug with full STR gear unless sharpshot was up.

[Rag]

I don't get this at all, the acc change is barely noticeable and my damage didn't change at all! I exped as my rng and did the exact same shitty dmg I used to do, using attack food STR gear all that jazz......

the acc change is barely noticeable, yet you used meat and forgot about the part where the update said "if you eat sushi you will achieve pre-nerf accuracy". Why would you expect your accuracy to change if you didn't do the one specific thing that they said you could do to increase your accuracy?

I disagree. Acc was noticably higher on Dweaps. I was able to slug in full STR equipment at point blank range with meat and miss very, very infrequently. About once in four hours. Before the update, I would be hard pressed to land slug with full STR gear unless sharpshot was up.

SE already explained how rng worked after the nerf and how it will work in this update (and from my tests its working)

old rng update = skill+traits+equip+food= ok now your acc is 100%? ok time to reduce that 100% by distance = -25% etc you will end up missing alot

Rng now = your skill -% distance + your abilitys/traits/buff/food = your total acc


RNG now =

example: with 270 skill vs VT mob your acc now is 70% (can be lowered to 50% depends on your pos) add traits30% +equip20%+food30% thats a 120%-150%acc(of course acc cap around 95% so anything behind that is overkill and pointless) so you will have to miss 5%~

old rng = skill+equip+food+buff+abilitys =250%acc or whats so ever but its caps around 95%~ now this 95%acc will be lowered up to 50% depends on your pos do you see how fucked up is that? lol its like no matter what buff/food/etc you will miss

[Erza]

I don't get this at all, the acc change is barely noticeable and my damage didn't change at all! I exped as my rng and did the exact same shitty dmg I used to do, using attack food STR gear all that jazz......

the acc change is barely noticeable, yet you used meat and forgot about the part where the update said "if you eat sushi you will achieve pre-nerf accuracy". Why would you expect your accuracy to change if you didn't do the one specific thing that they said you could do to increase your accuracy?

I disagree. Acc was noticably higher on Dweaps. I was able to slug in full STR equipment at point blank range with meat and miss very, very infrequently. About once in four hours. Before the update, I would be hard pressed to land slug with full STR gear unless sharpshot was up.

Yea definately, same as myself

[Jaffar]

If the nerf is now only effecting base stats, acc should be higher than before due to acc from food/gear traits.

[Rag]

If the nerf is now only effecting base stats, acc should be higher than before due to acc from food/gear traits.

From POL

As a result of adjustments to make ranged attack damage differ according to the distance from the target, jobs that specialize in ranged attacks have suffered a decrease in performance. In the next version update, we plan to reassess the adjustments made to accuracy and attack power according to distance from target.

[The Distance Calculation and Added Effects]
Ranged attack damage and accuracy are currently adjusted by a calculation based on the distance of the player from the enemy target. However, we plan to decrease the values for ranged accuracy and ranged attacks used in this calculation. This will ensure that the calculation will no longer largely eliminate the enhancements given by meals and equipment. Instead, the effects will be added directly to the player's attributes.

For example, if a player eats sushi, he will be able to largely compensate for the accuracy adjustment, and if a player eats meat, he will be able to compensate for the damage adjustment.

[Changes to Distance Adjustments]
We plan to slightly widen the range in which players can deal out maximum damage using bows, crossbows, and other distance weapons, as well as ease the decrease in accuracy and attack power that comes the farther the player is from the target.

There is no "if" here that how it works

[Dexy]

Im in an XP atm in Thickets. Gear is:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...yBRD/Setup.jpg

That isn't a Peacock Charm, and those are Scout's Bracee.

As you can see, far from ideal gear, I am still tweaking. I am parseing 2nd in my PT behind a BB MNK, but about 10%. I am ahead of a WAR Axe/Joy with most sky stuff.

Thing I am most impressed with is the TP gain, I am out TPing the MNK by a fair margin. Next time I XP in thickets at least, I will use Ebow, Obow without acids sucks for damage, Slugshots only doing 800 to Mamool point blank. I am also eating Subs.

[Jaffar]

There is no "if" here that how it works

Guess I should've used 'since,' I wasn't trying to make it a question, more an explaination to those asking 'how is your acc higher? I don't notice'.

[Rag]

Im in an XP atm in Thickets. Gear is:
http://www.axiomfiles.com/Files/48431/Setup.JPG

That isn't a Peacock Charm, and those are Scout's Bracee.

As you can see, far from ideal gear, I am still tweaking. I am parseing 2nd in my PT behind a BB MNK, but about 10%. I am ahead of a WAR Axe/Joy with most sky stuff.

Thing I am most impressed with is the TP gain, I am out TPing the MNK by a fair margin. Next time I XP in thickets at least, I will use Ebow, Obow without acids sucks for damage, Slugshots only doing 800 to Mamool point blank. I am also eating Subs.

cant see the picture
was you /war or /nin?
atk/str gear or acc stuff?
had a brd?

800 is low unless you are a /nin with no brd becouse i do 1000~ with /nin and no brd only attack food.............

Edit: nvm you use Obow+no acid bolts i use hellfire better ws damage~+
but if you got brd damage would change alot

I think as rng you must have 2 of those atleast(damage wise not acc since my acc almost perfect being naked..) to do these 2k+ slugshots and so damage

1-attack food
2-brd songs
3-berserk

Get all 3 and your a beast


attack/str gear would help alot too + Acid bolts just a bouns~
of course you can merit too lol 5str+18skill

get all these buff and you end up doin these 3k slugshots