Ranged Attack change, info prz

[Chazqui]

old rng update = skill+traits+equip+food= ok now your acc is 100%? ok time to reduce that 100% by distance = -25% etc you will end up missing alot

Rng now = your skill -% distance + your abilitys/traits/buff/food = your total acc

actually from the way I understand the wording it is actually
old rng update = (skill+traits+equip+buffs-distance factor)*food
(10-3)*2 = 14

so food actually boosted your stats AFTER they were diminished

rng now = (skill+traits+equip+buffs)*food-distance factor
10*2-3 = 17

this is a big difference mathematically. "nerf" meant your stats were gimped by an additive factor then boosted. this patch makes it much less noticeable since your stats are boosted by a multiplicative factor before being affected.

[Glade``]

Here is a nice comparison of damage pre and post patch, for a comparison
All pics in pre patch are sub war with meat, and all pics post patch are sub nin with meat.

Pre patch Thickets
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3539/img0005dr0.png
Dweaps
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6034/img0012gw5.png

Post patch
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1491/img0017pk3.png

[XxSlusherxx]

I think whats happening is, all food and gear bonuses are added after distance is factored in

meh, I felt the wording was vauge, but lol I guess it was clear.

[divisortheory]

I think whats happening is, all food and gear bonuses are added after distance is factored in

Interesting, because that's exactly what the update said.

[Zalius]

I think whats happening is, all food and gear bonuses are added after distance is factored in

Interesting, because that's exactly what the update said.

i love you more every day

[Rag]

Post patch
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1491/img0017pk3.png

lol obow+Acid bolt hitting 200~ @melee range
rng is back bitchs

[Dj_Shiva]

I've only messed around on Colibri so far on sam/rng, but the damage difference is very minimal when further away. 1000~ melee range 1200~ far away (outside of previous sweet spot). Seems like the intention was not needing to run back for ws, but still getting a bonus on kited mobs.

[Raizins]

Glade, minuets x 2 in both scenarios?

[Glade``]

Yeah minuetes were used at dweaps both times.
Edit: DMG on HNM
This was with no brd, no berserk, and using Sole Sushi with HF+1
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7049/img0018lr9.png

[muffinman]

wow nice, so are Ebow and Sbow in the same class now or does EBow outclass it by a large margin since now ranged attack is more important? or is hellfire+1 better than both cuz of meelee advantage to rng? o,o

[Krandor]

N legs 4tw.

Anyone fought Kirin since this patch? <.< I know obviously people like to straight tank these days but it would be nice if RNG can still do similiar damage to what they could back in the day.

[Wulfgang]

Damage doesnt seem too buffed on Kirin. Mostly RACC gear and Red Curry + 2x Minuets was pushing 120-130 a shot. Sidewinder breaking 700-800 fairly often.

The main buff on Kirin isn't the numbers, but the change to the sweet spot size. Easier to hit consistently even when he moves to 13.0 and beyond.

[shat]

are you able to hit kirin okay in meat now? i'm not a main RNG but my RNG setup has almost everything but scout's belt/feet and merits (4 archery only) and i haven't been able to consistently hit him at all.

[Quixotic]

Usually need just one prelude to hit him with meat (before this recent patch). Should be a little bit better now.

err edit: this is the general case for me anyways, 8 archery merits, and all the endgame dynamis, sky, and sea gear (minus AV drop ring, duh).

[Wulfgang]

Still need Prelude imo. I tried dual-min and RACC was fairly poor. All of this is /NIN.

[Fusional]

Culverin is Level 73 tho.

Edit: The update is more than I could have ever hoped for.

does this mean you'll no longer be suffering from ranger emo, vin?

[Vinto]

Culverin is Level 73 tho.

Edit: The update is more than I could have ever hoped for.

does this mean you'll no longer be suffering from ranger emo, vin?

:wink:

[chiz]

N legs 4tw.

Anyone fought Kirin since this patch? <.< I know obviously people like to straight tank these days but it would be nice if RNG can still do similiar damage to what they could back in the day.

We still used RNGs after we started straight tanking, just can't use as many RNGs as pre-nerf. Instead of RNG burning it, we mixed SAMs and THFs for hate control along with SMNs and WARs. RNG/WAR, meat and BRD didn't lose all that much in terms of damage, as long as they didn't have to kite and worry about distance penalties. Makes for a very controlled fight and pretty quick too, 20-30 mins including Summons.

As Quixotic and Wulfgang said though, probably want to get Prelude if you're using attack food. Pre-nerf I typically went with attack food + Prelude + Etude, although I know a lot of people liked to go with Sushi + 2x Minuet. Both provide about the same results, its just difficult to break into the next pDIF tier on Kirin without /WAR and SV Minuets while maintaining accuracy.

[Genosync]

I wanna throw my Ranger at everything again. ;;

I'm gonna go make a deco weapon PT and throw myself back in 2004 again.

[Glade``]

After this update, I was expecting to see some major changes to mobs such as DL, but the damage seemed unafected. Whats odd is that I noticed a significant difference in both damage and accuracy against normal Xarc demons and NMs, but not against DL himself. Based on this and my data from other HNMs, I assume that Kirin would be a similar scenario to what it was pre nerf, meat and preludes or sushi and minuetes.