Ranged Attack change, info prz

[Rag]

I did Kirin as rng 3 days before the update and after the update
Same gear and buff damage diffrent is big same with acc

RNG/NIN(Mostly str gear with some r.acc) +Sushi +x2 minut

Before the update was doin 400~550 for slugshot and 300~ barrge
acc was like 75% for norml shots and slugshot misses like ones every 3 times

After the update
slugshots 600~800 barr 500-700 acc was like 90% for norml hits (sometimes kirin gets out of range but still lands happened alot like over 10times) did 3 kirins and didnt miss any slugshot :/ (i switch to acc gear before slugshot+breeze gorget)

At one point i did slug700~>barr600~>slug700~ thats 2k damage in like 10seconds which is not bad for one rng toss 2 rng pts and kirin is down in 10min or so

i did tryed red curry first (it was bad choice -.-; i was hitting +150 every shot but my hit rate was 40% and after 4 missing slugshots i landed the fiveth and it did 897 damage Without flashy shot(lol didnt get that yet)

Rngs at ls was doin 700-1000 with flashy shot

After kirin we went byakko so we poped it sams WS for hate and rngs slugshots i did +1300(with full str gear lol) slugshot then 700 barr or so and another slugshot for 1k(with acc gear)

and at suzaku he just got raped(weak to ranged) +1500 slugshots were done by rng/war using acc gear + 2x minuet and attack food

i'll post some screens later atm lazy goin to sleep

[Raizins]

I experienced the same thing against DL, meaning not an increase in damage. My guess is that all the buffs (zerk, SV minuets etc) and DL's stats have put damage to a limit of sorts. Anyone have any idea of prenerf ranger damage on DL?

[kawkawkaw]

I love how the advent of the RNG un-nerf gave birth to such claims as:

"lolmyfrancisca+hawkarsknife>bbmnkintpgain"

"imoutparsingeveryonelol"

"lolrngroxandownsnoweventhoughwestillcantbeatwarso rmnks"

[Lordwafik]

Just so you know, thief's new JA "Feint" works with ranged attacks too (was able to throw ungur boomer at lvl50 feinted mobs 95%, as soon as feint wore I couldnt land it anymore), so ask a thief to feint Kirin just before you barrage and you will land 100% of the shots. The other day I feinted both kirin and byakko and acc went from poo, up to 95% during feint.

[Rag]

I experienced the same thing against DL, meaning not an increase in damage. My guess is that all the buffs (zerk, SV minuets etc) and DL's stats have put damage to a limit of sorts. Anyone have any idea of prenerf ranger damage on DL?

Brd 2hour minuet you and berserk what do you expect lol damage have a cap
you shouldnt notice acc jump well becouse DL eva is gimp in the first place shouldnt miss

And kawkawkaw
I did outdamaged BB mnks with brd in pts and /war
mnk needs alot of time to do the 2k slugshots i do(damage wise) (vs not fly mobs) and the 2k barr+free slugshots thats other 4k~damage every 5min go pt with pimp rng first then compre it to BB mnk and if you at something like mire (fly mobs) mnk wont even come close to damage (3k slugshots with brd and /war)

rng is broken again as pre-nerf (the days when people was rng only and dont give it a crap about mnks and wars lol give it a time and people will figure out how broken rng is now atleast at exp pts)

[Plow]

yeah... some of the rng I've been pt'ing with lately, especially in mire, are just getting dmg I don't think I could possibly keep up with even with ridill e body etc

[Po]

I love how the advent of the RNG un-nerf gave birth to such claims as:

"lolmyfrancisca+hawkarsknife>bbmnkintpgain"

"imoutparsingeveryonelol"

"lolrngroxandownsnoweventhoughwestillcantbeatwarso rmnks"

You're an idiot, go get a tissue.

[Raizins]

I experienced the same thing against DL, meaning not an increase in damage. My guess is that all the buffs (zerk, SV minuets etc) and DL's stats have put damage to a limit of sorts. Anyone have any idea of prenerf ranger damage on DL?

Brd 2hour minuet you and berserk what do you expect lol damage have a cap
you shouldnt notice acc jump well becouse DL eva is gimp in the first place shouldnt miss

And kawkawkaw
I did outdamaged BB mnks with brd in pts and /war
mnk needs alot of time to do the 2k slugshots i do(damage wise) (vs not fly mobs) and the 2k barr+free slugshots thats other 4k~damage every 5min go pt with pimp rng first then compre it to BB mnk and if you at something like mire (fly mobs) mnk wont even come close to damage (3k slugshots with brd and /war)

rng is broken again as pre-nerf (the days when people was rng only and dont give it a crap about mnks and wars lol give it a time and people will figure out how broken rng is now atleast at exp pts)

Translation?

[Genosync]

I experienced the same thing against DL, meaning not an increase in damage. My guess is that all the buffs (zerk, SV minuets etc) and DL's stats have put damage to a limit of sorts. Anyone have any idea of prenerf ranger damage on DL?

Brd 2hour minuet you and berserk what do you expect lol damage have a cap
you shouldnt notice acc jump well becouse DL eva is gimp in the first place shouldnt miss

And kawkawkaw
I did outdamaged BB mnks with brd in pts and /war
mnk needs alot of time to do the 2k slugshots i do(damage wise) (vs not fly mobs) and the 2k barr+free slugshots thats other 4k~damage every 5min go pt with pimp rng first then compre it to BB mnk and if you at something like mire (fly mobs) mnk wont even come close to damage (3k slugshots with brd and /war)

rng is broken again as pre-nerf (the days when people was rng only and dont give it a crap about mnks and wars lol give it a time and people will figure out how broken rng is now atleast at exp pts)

Translation?

RNG owns and everything else sucks, give it time and people will figure it out again.

Basically.

[Wulfgang]

This change is not that huge imo. RNG figures are very much the same, it's just the fight dynamic that has changed. It is now completely feasible to melee as short range combat penalty is like 10-15% as opposed to 35%+ that it was before (Speaking mainly for Bow).

Last night I was hitting with 40-50 a swing w/ my axes on IT Mamools. So it adds some improved DoT and TP gain, but I definitely don't think it completely reversed the merit situation by any means.

[Sidanoir]

This change lets RNG use Ridill and Kraken again...and with either of those or another multi-hit weapon...its quite possible RNG will be a top notch meripo DD...again

[Jaffar]

We only had 1 blm, so we decided to try to tp burn KV .

I was rng/nin hf+1, marbled steak & 2x minuet SV'd by a 68 brd, hoss is ebody/ridill war. Ghost & mek were rng/war (ebow & salene's).


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...i/img_0074.png

Unfortunately, due to bad luck with pt leaders dying & lack of swapping, we wiped at 3% & he promptly depopped, still fun for our first go.

[chiz]

Pre-nerf RNGs were arguably the best merit/exp DD in the game. I know I did nearly all my merit'ing in early 2005, and simply haven't had to merit much since then to keep up with updates.

There weren't as many Ebody/Ridill WARs and accessible Haste items back then, but there certainly were plenty of BB MNKs and Destroyers at the time. Back then, Uleguerand Range was as good as it got in terms of EXP, the other options being lolDweapons or CNexus.

Its hard to say which job would do more damage now, but the change is very significant in the sense that RNG will build TP faster (with Axes or Daggers) to supplement their TP gain and do considerably more damage on WS (which should do more than a MNK or WARs WS) as well.

Someone made a very valid point that Ridill/Kclub are viable options again. It'd be close, but I'm pretty sure that 3 Ridill or Kclub RNGs could kill just about anything as fast as 3 Ridill WARs.

[Sidanoir]

Could even use a Mercurial Kris too...lower delay than ridill..although wont hit for very much, not sure TP return on it though...but KC only RNG/NIN would definitely give a good WAR,MNK or NIN a run for their money in a merit pt now.

[Ishido]

Just so you know, thief's new JA "Feint" works with ranged attacks too (was able to throw ungur boomer at lvl50 feinted mobs 95%, as soon as feint wore I couldnt land it anymore), so ask a thief to feint Kirin just before you barrage and you will land 100% of the shots. The other day I feinted both kirin and byakko and acc went from poo, up to 95% during feint.

Just wondering, how long does the Feint effect last?

[Minions]

5mnk+brd vs KV is almost guarenteed win w/ enough chain stuns ;x

RNG that were at the correct distance/range to begin with before this patch get similar damage from anywhere now... if anything it just lets people be lazy again.

[Jaffar]

if anything it just lets people be lazy again.

and get melee damage & faster tp gain

[divisortheory]

Just so you know, thief's new JA "Feint" works with ranged attacks too (was able to throw ungur boomer at lvl50 feinted mobs 95%, as soon as feint wore I couldnt land it anymore), so ask a thief to feint Kirin just before you barrage and you will land 100% of the shots. The other day I feinted both kirin and byakko and acc went from poo, up to 95% during feint.

Just wondering, how long does the Feint effect last?

30 seconds I think, and the strength degrades over time (pretty quickly, also).

[Minions]

if anything it just lets people be lazy again.

and get melee damage & faster tp gain

There are alot of rangers that wont even move to weapon skill.. so yeah.

[aurik]

Feint + SV songs + monk 2hr is broken as hell.