About Action Taken Against Third-Party Tool Users (Oct. 19)

[Aelfinn]

maybe ya shouldnt have used "movement enhancers"? lol

[Dbill]

Once a red flag is on your account it's always on there. I have a warning on mine because I told a GM off one night and told him how worthless and pointless they are. He didn't take to kindly to that.

[Tordall]

I actually know of someone that managed to get banned for 'just' the windower.

Here's how he did it.

1) Talked about it in jeuno in /say
2) When contacted by a GM he told off the GM and told them to stop bothering him about the windower, get a real job, or at least go after real cheaters or RMTs. (used colorful language)
3) Suspended
4) Upon end of suspention, he told off the GM that was supposed to let him out of jail with the same things that got him into jail to begin with (more colorful language)
5) Banned.

So it's techincally possible, but you have to try at it.

I also know someone that managed to successfully apeal a 'red mark' on their account.

[BRP]

Anyone who has a problem with this is retarded. Sure, maybe it doesn't solve RMT and their claim that using 3rd party programs help RMT is complete crap, but people need to stop bitching about SE stopping cheaters(oh, and lawl, innocents who swear they never touched the stuff).

Best of all, we know SE has been banning RMT banks around the cloak and yet people are surprised they didn't ban the farmers. Did you just start playing? Is this the first time you've seen a news update by SE?

[thetruepandagod]

friend got banned for paying for a friends acccount that used ffxi app, just linked him on the cc info and banned them both.. weeee

[aurik]

I think the sentiment is more born out of "I wish they banned the RMT" rather than "they shouldn't ban POS/flee cheaters". SE is weeding their garden by removing stray grass shoots, while ignoring the poisonous vines choking the life out of the flowers.

[StaplerGuy]

SE is weeding their garden by removing stray grass shoots, while ignoring the poisonous vines choking the life out of the flowers.

That's a pretty good analogy. I'd be a lot less pissed if they left 10 casual pos-ers and banned 1 hardcore RMT. And so on in that proportion. Even merely -140 RMT would make me pretty damn happy.

[Burginator]

I think the sentiment is more born out of "I wish they banned the RMT" rather than "they shouldn't ban POS/flee cheaters". SE is weeding their garden by removing stray grass shoots, while ignoring the poisonous vines choking the life out of the flowers.

So poetic. Reminds me of a Thoreau quote - "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil for every one at the root" (Or something similar)

But yeah, that's pretty much what they're doing.

[Okuza]

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil for every one at the root" (Thoreau)

This is so true. The ban strategy is pathetic. If it actually got rid of the problem RMT, it wouldn't be so bad. But the same 24x7 sky campers are still there. They could just eliminate the entire concept of "claiming" -- switch over to spawnables -- and never have to deal with another claimbot or monopoly issue ever again. Likely the pos/speed thing would be greatly reduced, too. If you don't need to race to fight to win, but can just wait and pop it when you're ready, why race at all?

[BRP]

Despite it all, fear is a powerful weapon. This in its entirety has nothing to do with RMT in my eyes, so why even bring it up(outside the stupid claims SE makes about connections). This is about 3rd-party tools use. That's all. And it's effective enough to continue in my eyes. I already know many cheaters getting either banned or suspended. What makes me happy is the banning of dupe bots we are probably not hearing about.

[Plow]

the fact that it came this soon after the last one makes me think it was probably one of 2 things:

either
"lol hay gusy luk @ all teh banz wur doon sumthing rly!"

or...
"Just to let you guys know the task force is working... here's 1400 people banned by them and only them."

[Devek]

Keeping the market deflated till it's down to what it was pre-RMT is the best sign that there's been some benefit to the waves of bansticking.

QFT. With ffxiah you can monitor for your self that there is a decreasing ingame economy. This is the one sign, no matter how many RMT are still on, which shows that SE's efforts are having some kind of effect.

I think deflation hurts the economy.

Back when inflation was high I could put up a scroll and not have it sent back to me 4 different times with the price undercut to 50% of what it was before.

Sure stuff is cheaper now, but its getting harder and harder for an honest player to make any gil. Every single thing I did the first 2 years to make gil is worthless now and the more me and other people adapt to the few ways left the more competition there is for everything.

[Stilgar]

I think deflation hurts the economy.

Back when inflation was high I could put up a scroll and not have it sent back to me 4 different times with the price undercut to 50% of what it was before.

Sure stuff is cheaper now, but its getting harder and harder for an honest player to make any gil. Every single thing I did the first 2 years to make gil is worthless now and the more me and other people adapt to the few ways left the more competition there is for everything.

Well, look man, people still got to buy shit. You just need to learn how to adapt by undercutting strategically (i.e. not selling a 10k item for 1gil, but 9,701gil), and determining what people will buy, and what they will let rot on AH until prices fall even more. lurn2makegilz

[nekoshoonen]

SE is weeding their garden by removing stray grass shoots, while ignoring the poisonous vines choking the life out of the flowers.

That's a pretty good analogy. I'd be a lot less pissed if they left 10 casual pos-ers and banned 1 hardcore RMT. And so on in that proportion. Even merely -140 RMT would make me pretty damn happy.

POS-ers and Bot claimers ruin my ingame experience as much if not more than RMT. I say Good riddance to them all.

[Devek]

I think deflation hurts the economy.

Back when inflation was high I could put up a scroll and not have it sent back to me 4 different times with the price undercut to 50% of what it was before.

Sure stuff is cheaper now, but its getting harder and harder for an honest player to make any gil. Every single thing I did the first 2 years to make gil is worthless now and the more me and other people adapt to the few ways left the more competition there is for everything.

Well, look man, people still got to buy shit. You just need to learn how to adapt by undercutting strategically (i.e. not selling a 10k item for 1gil, but 9,701gil), and determining what people will buy, and what they will let rot on AH until prices fall even more. lurn2makegilz

Do you know what 50% means you fucking dumbass?

[Stilgar]

I think deflation hurts the economy.

Back when inflation was high I could put up a scroll and not have it sent back to me 4 different times with the price undercut to 50% of what it was before.

Sure stuff is cheaper now, but its getting harder and harder for an honest player to make any gil. Every single thing I did the first 2 years to make gil is worthless now and the more me and other people adapt to the few ways left the more competition there is for everything.

Well, look man, people still got to buy shit. You just need to learn how to adapt by undercutting strategically (i.e. not selling a 10k item for 1gil, but 9,701gil), and determining what people will buy, and what they will let rot on AH until prices fall even more. lurn2makegilz

Do you know what 50% means you fucking dumbass?

Do you know what 'adapt and live with it you pussyblasting queefrocker' means, you worthless sack of emo?

[Aodh]

Do you know what 50% means you fucking dumbass?

What you sell sells for 50% of what it used to and what you buy you buy for 50% of what it used to. You do not make the same level of gil, but you make the same proportion.

[Kerberoz]

Why do people think inflation is bad? It's only bad if you hoard gil and/or don't play much. For everyone else it has no effect or a small positive effect.

Do people really not understand that deflation is much worse than inflation? There's too much gil leaving the game and not enough entering. This has nothing to do with RMT or AH prices. The amount of gil in the system is decreasing way too fast, and soon we'll be farming tiger fangs to enter dynamis.

[Aodh]

Why do people think inflation is bad? It's only bad if you hoard gil and/or don't play much. For everyone else it has no effect or a small positive effect.

Do people really not understand that deflation is much worse than inflation? There's too much gil leaving the game and not enough entering. This has nothing to do with RMT or AH prices. The amount of gil in the system is decreasing way too fast, and soon we'll be farming tiger fangs to enter dynamis.

Where is it leaving to?

Keep in mind you already it said it has nothing to do with RMT or AH Prices...

[Swatt]

Why do people think inflation is bad? It's only bad if you hoard gil and/or don't play much. For everyone else it has no effect or a small positive effect.

Do people really not understand that deflation is much worse than inflation? There's too much gil leaving the game and not enough entering. This has nothing to do with RMT or AH prices. The amount of gil in the system is decreasing way too fast, and soon we'll be farming tiger fangs to enter dynamis.

Where is it leaving to?

Keep in mind you already it said it has nothing to do with RMT or AH Prices...

people buying chocobo rides from crags!