Endgame BST

[Nystul]

fk that dude I rock the alchemist water. Homonculus ftw

[Ryko]

nigga killed yo taru

[solsovly]

fk that dude I rock the alchemist water. Homonculus ftw

In all seriousness, anyone try Homonculus with full 3/3 BST affinity and Gloves? I used about 2 expensive stacks worth and they sucked pretty badly, but this was before I got the affinity and gloves. Lars why can't you be cheap /sigh.

[Nystul]

homonculus is uncapped. I have af2 gloves, it tanked the bugard NM for COP 7-4 pretty well The reau question to ask is if the gloves+merits make the funguar and tiger jug pets viable at 75

Also, homonculus isn't great in pt situations. It's more effective if it's tanking because it counter attacks like crazy. If it's not the one being attacked you're losing around 1/5th of it's attacks or something.

Though it's fun to bring out in pt xp once in a while because it's cute.

[solsovly]

homonculus is uncapped. I have af2 gloves, it tanked the bugard NM for COP 7-4 pretty well The reau question to ask is if the gloves+merits make the funguar and tiger jug pets viable at 75

Also, homonculus isn't great in pt situations. It's more effective if it's tanking because it counter attacks like crazy. If it's not the one being attacked you're losing around 1/5th of it's attacks or something.

Though it's fun to bring out in pt xp once in a while because it's cute.

Even though people claim homonculus is uncapped, I have my doubts. He performs noticably worse accuracy wise against Carrie (who is pretty blind as it is). His damage is also pretty subpar from what I use.

Uncapped Funguar is pretty decent with afffinity/gloves. I havn't been able to use him against any high VT/IT mobs but he performs noticably better on DC mobs than carrie (Better attack/accuracy/double attack). I was farming coffer mobs with both, Carrie usually only lasted about every 2-3 high EP mob, Funguar killed faster, letting me keep him out for upwards of 4 pretty soundly.

[suji]

homonculus is uncapped.
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Even though people claim homonculus is uncapped, I have my doubts. He performs noticably worse accuracy wise against Carrie (who is pretty blind as it is). His damage is also pretty subpar from what I use.
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Aside from that, it's already been shown that uncapped jug pets (ie, Carrie) don't always spawn at Lv75 so you should still see some benefits with Homonculus and Beast Affinity, even though it's technically uncapped.

[Aelfinn]

3/3 beast affin merits makes funguar a good pet @ 75 add gloves in there and its even better... tiger... still not so much for some reason... accuracy is on the low-side... I'll be sticking with my incredibly cheap vendor bought fungus jugs.

[solsovly]

homonculus is uncapped.
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Even though people claim homonculus is uncapped, I have my doubts. He performs noticably worse accuracy wise against Carrie (who is pretty blind as it is). His damage is also pretty subpar from what I use.
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Aside from that, it's already been shown that uncapped jug pets (ie, Carrie) don't always spawn at Lv75 so you should still see some benefits with Homonculus and Beast Affinity, even though it's technically uncapped.

I'll try again. And I realize that pets don't spawn capped, I actually posted that a long long time ago based on lvl 5 petrify before it was common knoweldge and got flamed for it on KI lol. I will guarantee you that even with my 3 affinity merits + gloves, Homonculus will be a giant sack of wiff and suck.

[suji]

I will guarantee you that even with my 3 affinity merits + gloves, Homonculus will be a giant sack of wiff and suck.

Well, you were the one asking how it would do in the first place. I'd be interested to see the results too (parsed). There's been some pretty impressive parse results showng BA's affect on Carrie's performance so even if Homonculus still sucks, it'd be pretty surprising if it didn't noticeably suck less.

[solsovly]

I will guarantee you that even with my 3 affinity merits + gloves, Homonculus will be a giant sack of wiff and suck.

Well, you were the one asking how it would do in the first place. I'd be interested to see the results too (parsed). There's been some pretty impressive parse results showng BA's affect on Carrie's performance so even if Homonculus still sucks, it'd be pretty surprising if it didn't noticeably suck less.

I was hoping someone else did the work for me

[Nystul]

homonculus is a great pet in certain situations. OBviously it's a monk mob. It attacks very fast, it counters like crazy but each hit is "low" damage. In the time it takes for carrie to hit twice, homonculus has likely hit around 5 times. It's a damge over time kind of issue. Personally I like it but then again maybe it's because I'm taru and I can look it eye to eye.

My point on the uncapped thing is that it probably doesn't take af2 and full affinitty merits to get it to 75 (as jug pets can not go past 75).

The other nice thing about homonculus is that it has absolutely absurd HP. Takes a licking, counters a lot to further extend that HP and it keeps on ticking.

[solsovly]

I will guarantee you that even with my 3 affinity merits + gloves, Homonculus will be a giant sack of wiff and suck.

Well, you were the one asking how it would do in the first place. I'd be interested to see the results too (parsed). There's been some pretty impressive parse results showng BA's affect on Carrie's performance so even if Homonculus still sucks, it'd be pretty surprising if it didn't noticeably suck less.

Could you link me to this? I can't seem to find it.

[Aelfinn]

My point on the uncapped thing is that it probably doesn't take af2 and full affinitty merits to get it to 75 (as jug pets can not go past 75).

i'm not quite sure about homonculus, but i know that carrie with 3/3 affin merits and no gloves (only just got those on sunday) still wasnt lvl75 100% of the time... "no effect" from lvl5 petrify @ dyna-xarc after capping beast affin rather suprised me.

So correct me if I'm wrong, but that would mean that Carrie (supposedly uncapped) can pop as low as lvl68, if not lower...

[Nystul]

well I'll be damned

[suji]

Could you link me to this? I can't seem to find it.

The only tests I've ever seen on it were on Alla since I don't read KI and people don't tend to post that sort of stuff here. That said, here are the best tests that I've seen from Alla:

Carrie tested after subsequent upgrades of Beast Affinity by Firedevil:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html ... =16;page=1

Some BAIII numbers on T~ mobs by arghhh:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html ... m=8;page=1

Some evidence suggesting that even with one level in BA, Carrie is still not 75 (by Valyana):
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html ... m=6;page=1

Some anecdotal info from people who are happy with BA Fungaurs:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html ... m=3;page=1

I could have sworn there was a dwep parse of BA3 Carrie, but I couldn't find it.

[solsovly]

Thanks, Alla + Ki are blocked for me here, I'll check them out. I'll have to go to the parser thread and find something that is hopefully safe.

[suji]

Thanks, Alla + Ki are blocked for me here, I'll check them out. I'll have to go to the parser thread and find something that is hopefully safe.

Oh, well here is Firedevil's test (hopefully he won't mind me reposting:

I spent a long time yesterday in Mount Zhayolm testing out Beast Affinity and how it affects Courrier Carrie. We all know that the Funguars and Tigers will get stronger, but we haven't been too sure about Courrier Carrie, and I hope some of my data will shed some light on this. I got my first Beast Affinity upgrade yesterday, but before I upgraded, I used 10 Carries against the exact same EM Magmatic Eruca. After I upgraded, I went and found the exact same EM Eruca sitting in the tunnel, and sent 10 Carries after him again. A couple of notes before I put the data out there. I never once used Sic. Since Big Scissors is so random, it wasn't worth skewing the data on damage by doing that. This is purely melee:

Pre Beast Affinity Upgrade #1:

Average HP: 3092
Avg. Damage Dealt: 1061
Mean Damage/hit: 74 (Low 55 - Crit 139)
Accuracy: 64%
Evasion: 6%

Post Beast Affinity Upgrade #1:

Average HP: 3192
Avg. Damage Dealt: 1310
Mean Damage/hit: 79 (Low 64 - Crit 155)
Accuracy: 77%
Evasion: 11%

Comments: Out of the 20 fights, I noticed something very odd. The first 10 fights, the Eruca's TP move was always Sticky Thread or Cocoon. This would skew the damage results down for the first 10. But on the 2nd set of 10, every single fight that Eruca used Incenerate for 400-700 damage. Obviously it made some of the fights a bit shorter than they could have been, so I think that sort of evened that out. Either way, Carrie got completely waxed by the Eruca on both sets of tests. However, after Beast Affinity, the results were noticeably better. Without adding the totals up, I could see that the Eruca's HP bar was significantly lower each time.

Note that I do not have the Relic Gloves, so the data is not affected by that. Also, between the 2 sets, I wore the same gear. Some people believe gear affects your jugs. I have no feeling one way or the other, so I kept it consistent to only test the one effect.

Summary: Carrie gets noticeably stronger after 1 Beast Affinity Upgrade, but never does it compete with an EM Eruca. I know Eruca are pretty difficult for EM, but I don't think it would have mattered much what EM mob I used. Since there are some that are isolated in tunnels, I thought it was easiest to use Erucas since I wouldn't have to worry with links in the tunnel, and I wouldn't have to worry that I wasn't using the same mob on both sets of data.

If you have any more questions about my tests please let me know, I will provide you with any other supporting info that I have.

[TP]

Hate to say it, but nothing can be concluded from Firedevil's test. He may claim that there was a definite performance boost from one upgrade and I don't necessarily disagree with that. But the numbers from that short test seem very poorly controlled for variables. The only number that really sticks out to me is highest crit as far as drawing any conclusions.

[Ahnuld]

I wonder what SE's plans are to "adjustments are underway to widen the possibilities for party play."

I just hope whatever it is they're doing reeks of win.

[Demetrick]

I wonder what SE's plans are to "adjustments are underway to widen the possibilities for party play."

I just hope whatever it is they're doing reeks of win.

The only way I would want to party is:

Me in a party of 5 Korrigans with no exp penalty.

Make me a Beastsmaster.