Has anyone killed AV since the update?

[RKenshin]

Worst color graphic ever.

[Kaylia]

I always thought for something omg-worthy as AV, his whole "because a giant pussy after you do something gimmicky" deal was lame and almost glitchy. I'm still a strong believer of that theory I was always pitching around, that outside NMs were the key. Apperently it was proven wrong or something, then again, it was only the Ix'es that were tested, doesn't matter I guess. But, something about AV's text makes me wonder and the fact that somewhere in that mess of programming there is a swich to disable abilities is quite interesting.

Is it even possible for SE to communicate mobs' info between different zone? Imo, that's way too much programming and very unlikely considering they never do anything like that.

[Robert]

Am I the only one noticing a large influx of AV pops since the patch? Maybe they changed how you lock it in exchange for popping more often? Or it pops at this frequency and people just keep it quiet, I don't know, has anyone killed a JOL and not had AV pop since the last patch?

[Xiona]

SE Dev:

Due to a large influx of players obtaining the item Parade gorget, certain NM's have been adjusted;

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i can see it happening

[Kalyna]

Millennium LS on Caitsith popped AV last night. We killed near to 20 sets of wynavs and AV never locked either. It was 5:30am and so we gave up and let it depop.

Our sac pullers reported that toward the end of our attempt the wynavs were getting slower.

Edit: Didn't notice Zaerus already reported our attempt.

[Kalyna]

Has any one group(or server) killed AV the same way twice? Maybe AV has all sorts of ways to kill it, but can't be killed the same way twice... well more of a joke, maybe he is Doomsday or something ;o.

BTL on Seraph killed AV twice. I believe it was the same method.

[Chalis]

My ls has killed AV 4 times using same strat each time.

Kill jol
AV pop
Force AV to pop wynav's while sacing him
Have a goup Claim AV and hold/damage him slightly
Have a goup of 10 or so BLM's ES thundaga 3 the wynav's that a rdm/nin pull's off the main alli

also we Killed Jol 2 times Friday night with no AV pop. RMT on our server also killed Jol a few hrs befour we had our's planed no AV poped from there's. so dont think they increased pop chance's. After changing AV. (if they did)

[Elipse]

In the same LS as ashira. This is an overview of our fight.

Brought AV to position J-11 to fight.

The first 10 wynav sets, we did not damage AV while killing except for dia2. After the 10th attempt, we ganked it down to 95% and regen was definately locked. Went back to the same idea for 11th and 12th attempts - hold AV with a party while killing wynavs, not damaging AV.

13th attempt - we attempted to damage AV while killing wynavs - we didn't have enough ppl to do this in 2 seperate alliances, so we made an alliance of our AV holding PT with 12 BLMs. We killed wynvas when AV was 96%. AV eventually got down to 94% when we wiped this attempt. Regen was locked already when we tried this from attempt 10.

14th - 16th attempt same as before, no damage on AV. 17th and final attempt, we let AV go back to its K-12 spawn before killing it spawned more pets and we killed them (in hopes that somehow going back to spawn would trigger something?). No luck, and we let it despawn.

Of the 17 wynav kills, 13 of them were killed on the same ga. Other 4 attempts, wynavs died from different ga3, but it would have been impossible to tell they had died at different times if it were not for the "XXX defeats Aern's Wynav" message.

Wynav kills not damaging AV with regen : 10
Wynav Kills not damaging AV without regen: 6
Wynav kills damaging AV - 1 (@AV96%)

I seriously hope nothing was changed in this patch... because my LS was supposed to go last week instead of this week... Thanks to Auronku from LB for feeding us info during the fight.

Edit:
We never used any Skillchains on AV ever, was just straight BLM zombie damage. It was surprisingly easy to get AV to 95% with just 12 BLMs and 0 coordination or any TP stored beforehand.

All wynavs were killed with an element other than the current day. We wanted to make sure all wynavs died at the same ga3 so we avoided say using thundaga3 on thundersday because the 10% bonus damage could randomly kick in and do different damages to each pet. From LB's fights, they never bothered with the whole kill with a nuke on the day thing (it would be a total pain on darks and lights day). However, if the patch really did change something, I guess anything is possible again.

With the info released at vanafest, why wouldn't you guys at least try something related to elements? I mean SE basically showed they have gone out of their way to add in little oddities related to elements.

Maybe it has relation to the last element JoL was when he died, or day of the week, element weak to or strong to the day/JoL's last element etc.

As random as everything seems, its not random, something is being done to trigger it. Finding the reason is tough, but its out there.

Someone did post saying they locked Av while 2 of 3 wyverns were still alive. So them dying all at the same time doesn't seem to be the solution to the problem.



I do have a question about this though:

We wanted to make sure all wynavs died at the same ga3 so we avoided say using thundaga3 on thundersday because the 10% bonus damage could randomly kick in and do different damages to each pet.

Wouldn't the 1 spell receive the 10% bonus across the board? or does the game "check" the bonus to each and every additional target with some getting and some not?

[RKenshin]

My ls has killed AV 4 times using same strat each time.

Kill jol
AV pop
Force AV to pop wynav's while sacing him
Have a goup Claim AV and hold/damage him slightly
Have a goup of 10 or so BLM's ES thundaga 3 the wynav's that a rdm/nin pull's off the main alli

also we Killed Jol 2 times Friday night with no AV pop. RMT on our server also killed Jol a few hrs befour we had our's planed no AV poped from there's. so dont think they increased pop chance's. After changing AV. (if they did)

This is basically the same exact thing we did on our two successful AV kills, as well as last Friday night going through over 20 sets of Wynavs all to no avail.

[spooky]

I do have a question about this though:

We wanted to make sure all wynavs died at the same ga3 so we avoided say using thundaga3 on thundersday because the 10% bonus damage could randomly kick in and do different damages to each pet.

Wouldn't the 1 spell receive the 10% bonus across the board? or does the game "check" the bonus to each and every additional target with some getting and some not?

You've never seen someone -ga aload of mobs and it do differnt damage? O.o;

[Elipse]

I do have a question about this though:

We wanted to make sure all wynavs died at the same ga3 so we avoided say using thundaga3 on thundersday because the 10% bonus damage could randomly kick in and do different damages to each pet.

Wouldn't the 1 spell receive the 10% bonus across the board? or does the game "check" the bonus to each and every additional target with some getting and some not?

You've never seen someone -ga aload of mobs and it do differnt damage? O.o;

Well the resistance is checked, but is the bonus checked? Wouldn't it be "either has it or doesn't" Not different bonus applied to different targets?

[Ashira]

Well, where not all of our BLMs have the obis though, since it's like job #245 for some of them, we wanted the best chances of having consistent damage as possible (obi being the only way to guarantee the bonus damage corresponding to day). We had a few wynav pops before Elemental Seal was ready, but for the most part, every pull was Elemental Seal + -ga III. If we had fought on Earthsday at all, we also would not use Thundaga in that case, but switched to Blizzaga.

To answer your question more specifically, though, Elipse, no, it wouldn't be the same across the board for all targets bonuswise. I've had Curagas hit only one person with a Lightsday bonus out of the 5 it hits, and likewise for getting two people healed for less on Darksday/dark weather and the others getting the regular max for that spell.

Also, re: AV pops, Chalis mentioned it already that they fought it and it didn't pop, and RMT before them however many times. AV popped on our first JoL fight, which was that same night. We popped after LB's second set of triggers.

As to what was said at the Vana-fest too, LB did test those things already (see the lolsash IV thread) previously, and their strategy with which they won twice preceding that announcement still ended up being the way they won the twice proceeding it.

[spooky]

Well the resistance is checked, but is the bonus checked? Wouldn't it be "either has it or doesn't" Not different bonus applied to different targets?

Well the bonus given is factored into the resist rate, I would say. Obis say "Gain full benefit of day/weather bonuses". You could argue that this is extra damage or less resist or a combination of both until the end of time.
A static bonus (one that does not change over time), is going to be applied consistently to all targets; however a separate damage calculation is going to be done for each one for resists. The Obis description and testing results are too ambiguous to say if the bonus from Obis is consistent or not.
I never "felt" like it was, but why belive anything I say, when I've done 0 testing of my own.

[Nighty]

Dont you guys remember what they said in the tokyo gameshow about AV?

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The regen effect will be cut in half by defeating as many of the Ru'phuabos, Qn'xzomits, and Qn'hpemdes summoned by the Jailer of Love as possible. In addition, using an elemental based attack that corresponds to the current day of the week (i.e. using Fire spells on Firesday) will stop the remaining regen effect.
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/eve...tlk_pic_d2.jpg

The part where the spell that corresponds with the day doesnt seem to work tho

Maybe something similar can lock him up

[Starr]

1) Ninurta's, Mars'
2) Great Katana, Mars', Bellona's
3) Mars'
4) Aureole, Mars', Bellona's

4 Mars' rings in the same ls. . . . . wow.

[chiz]

Dont you guys remember what they said in the tokyo gameshow about AV?

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The regen effect will be cut in half by defeating as many of the Ru'phuabos, Qn'xzomits, and Qn'hpemdes summoned by the Jailer of Love as possible. In addition, using an elemental based attack that corresponds to the current day of the week (i.e. using Fire spells on Firesday) will stop the remaining regen effect.
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/eve...tlk_pic_d2.jpg

The part where the spell that corresponds with the day doesnt seem to work tho

Maybe something similar can lock him up

Ya, I kinda dismissed the TGS blurb as a mistranslation or another situation where the intent of the message was lost between the dev team and the SE PR people......it simply doesn't make sense that the way you kill JoL would affect how difficult AV would be.

Worst case scenario it penalizes you for killing JoL quickly. Best case scenario, it stops AV from regen'ing, which was never really the issue with killing AV. Damaging it isn't so difficult provided you can stabilize it and lock its 2 hours, which seems to be broken in this update.....

Anyways, we have 1 full JoL pop set, but we probably won't try to pop it again until we have 2 sets. Won't happen for another week at least, have Kirin coming up so that 3rd job BRDs can get their Osodes.

[Quicklet]

Well the resistance is checked, but is the bonus checked? Wouldn't it be "either has it or doesn't" Not different bonus applied to different targets?

Well the bonus given is factored into the resist rate, I would say. Obis say "Gain full benefit of day/weather bonuses". You could argue that this is extra damage or less resist or a combination of both until the end of time.
A static bonus (one that does not change over time), is going to be applied consistently to all targets; however a separate damage calculation is going to be done for each one for resists. The Obis description and testing results are too ambiguous to say if the bonus from Obis is consistent or not.
I never "felt" like it was, but why belive anything I say, when I've done 0 testing of my own.

Uh... whether or not day/weather bonuses affect elemental magic resist rate is a moot point, because there are no other waist slot items that have elemental skill on them (I'm relatively confident that resist rate is not affected at all however). In addition, the damage bonus component IS well defined because instead of relying on the random proc of the bonus, it's 100% activated, meaning you end up with a 10-25% bonus to damage/heals depending on day/weather. There is no reason for any BLM to not have the thunder and ice ones, since they are pretty damn easy to get.

[spooky]

I have nearly all my Obis XD Working on Earth and Light atm for BRD, then that only leaves fire, which i might as well get for the sake of completness.

[Quicklet]

Still waiting for SE to add the quest that lets you trade in all 8 separate obis for the one that works for all elements.

[spooky]

Yes, please. :D One for Gorgets wouldnt be at all over powered too. >.>